All iPads Do you feel the iPad is the future ?

[bensisko]

So, now even though there's much better and simpler workflows (on computers and android devices), we're going to suffer through good enough. Why?


You keep saying "good enough" throughout your post. Why should people accept "good enough" when "great" has been available for 20+ years?

Because "Better" is a matter of opinion and "simpler" is a matter of perspective.

For me, I HATE having to 'organize files' - I don't want to spend my time on a device doing what I consider to be maintenance that should be automated. I won't say iOS is perfect (by any stretch) when it comes to handling files, but for me it is MUCH preferred.

To your question - why should the iPad be the same as a 20+ year old solution?

If you, or others, are suffering, then perhaps the iPad and iOS are not the solution for you. Luckily, for you, there are plenty of other options that use that ancient file management. For someone like me, who hates having to think about such things, iOS is really the only available option.

 

[Altis]

......snip...... That's simple on a computer, needs some 3rd party apps and a convoluted workflow on an iPad....... snip......

That's probably the most accurate description of much of the iPad's workflow.

Hence I just use mine for reader/textbooks, FaceTime, etc. iOS gets in the way very quickly when trying to get stuff done. It's great at what it is, but what it is isn't all things computers.

 

[StoneJack]

iCloud for you. For me, I spend a lot of time where there's no internet access of any kind.

And as far as wireless....so, where can i buy a 32 gig wireless storage device that doesn't take batteries and costs under $10 to replace a USB memory stick?



So, now even though there's much better and simpler workflows (on computers and android devices), we're going to suffer through good enough. Why?

How can I take a PDF from an email attachment, edit it, and then email the edited PDF to a different person? That's simple on a computer, needs some 3rd party apps and a convoluted workflow on an iPad.



Mouse is more precise than a pencil, and the pencil blocks your view of what you're trying to touch. Mouse has multiple buttons to do different things.

You keep saying "good enough" throughout your post. Why should people accept "good enough" when "great" has been available for 20+ years?

I am saying because it is different workflow. I have Mac and yes, it has one workflow. On iPads, I use different workflow. Is it clear enough?

If you need USB stick, there is USB-Lightning stick. Yes, it can be used to store 32GB of data. Or you can buy iPad with bigger storage and keep files offline. https://www.amazon.com/Lightning-Connector-HooToo-External-iPlugmate/dp/B019W8N4DU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1484373382&sr=8-1&keywords=iphone+flash+drive&refinements=p_89:HooToo (Amazon user explanation:
The HooToo works like a USB Flash Drive on a Windows PC or on a Macintosh Computer. It has a USB 3.0 connector on one end and an IOS Lightening connector on the other end for use on an iPad or iPhone.When you attach it to a computer, it shows up like a regular flash drive. You can open it and drag photos to it. When you connect it to an IOS device, you open the iPlugmate app to reveal a homepage. The homepage allows you to see the photos that are on the iPad and the ones that are on the HooToo (if any). You can transfer items back and forth from the HooToo to the iPad by using a "copy and paste" method. So it allows you to transfer a photo from the PC to the iPad, or vice-versa. You simply "check -off" the photos you want transferred from the iPad to the HooToo and go the settings menus and "copy". Then "paste" to the HooToo to move the photos to a computer. Since there is no "drag and drop" on the IOS device, you have to use the app to do the "copy and paste" method. It takes a little getting used to, but it works well. It's helpful to find a YouTube how-to video if you're unsure. Yes, it works on an iPad2 I hope this is helpful. see less
By Mike B on May 5, 2016
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Exactly for your case and needs: another user explanation:
5.0 out of 5 starsSaves money! No more heavy downloads while travelling!
By AlexPDL on March 22, 2016. .. Do I want to use my data plan to upload pictures and media files while on vacation?! NO! That;s why I got the HooToo USB 3.09 Flash Drive with Lightning connected. I bet Apple HATES this accessory. Because it saves money! This is a Flash Drive with 32 GB of storage and a fast 3.0 USB connector on one end and a fast Lightning Connector on the other end. To use on your Lightning port equipped devices like the iPhone 6. This small device has a great feature in that the protective caps are attached with a strong but tiny flexible plastic cable to prevent misplacing the unit. It feels very solidly made, it's compact, and super light! It's part of my accessory bag and I take it everywhere.

You will want to download the iPlugmate App from the IOS App store. When I first got it I just plug it in to my iPad and it prompt me that I don’t have iPlugmate apps and was ask if I want to download it from Apps store then I click “yes” and download the app.This app will make transferring or using Videos, Photos, Music and more very simple.It is very fast and easy to use and will provide plenty of storage for backups. It works with Fat32 files!!! You can watch videos stored on the drive! Wow! Not every drive can handle the Fat32 files. The HooToo can!

With iPad, iPhone and iPod usually you connect to PC or Mac to sync your music, photos, video and other media files but having this 32 GB flash drive you can easily grab your files from your PC and MAC with fast data transfer too and then just plugged in this to our iOS device and you have the files instantly.Read more ›

Or you can NOT buy iPad and NOT suffer, whilst others may enjoy what they want. Sounds terrible?

 

[DevNull0]

If you need USB stick, there is USB-Lightning stick. Yes, it can be used to store 32GB of data. Or you can buy iPad with bigger storage and keep files offline. https://www.amazon.com/Lightning-Connector-HooToo-External-iPlugmate/dp/B019W8N4DU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1484373382&sr=8-1&keywords=iphone+flash+drive&refinements=p_89:HooToo

That link redirected me to Amazon Canada where the item is $138. How much is it in the US? The last 32 gig USB stick I bought was under $10 Canadian.. So it's more than 14 times as expensive, and it's much bigger and ugly. Plus who is HooToo? When I buy flash storage, I like a major, reputable brand which is still sub $10. So generic memory that will work with your iPad is 14 times the price of brand name memory for my laptop.

Are you seriously trying to pretend it's comparable, especially as i said it needs to be sub $10 in my post you just replied to?

Exactly for your case and needs: another user explanation:
5.0 out of 5 starsSaves money! No more heavy downloads while travelling!
By AlexPDL on March 22, 2016. .. Do I want to use my data plan to upload pictures and media files while on vacation?! NO! That;s why I got the HooToo USB 3.09 Flash Drive with Lightning connected. I bet Apple HATES this accessory. Because it saves money!

That pretty much makes my point for me. $138 for a measly 32 gig of memory and the guy is raving it saves him so much money Apple must hate it.

Compared to sub $10 for my laptop and it's a cheap commodity product.

You will want to download the iPlugmate App from the IOS App store. When I first got it I just plug it in to my iPad and it prompt me that I don’t have iPlugmate apps and was ask if I want to download it from Apps store then I click “yes” and download the app.This app will make transferring or using Videos, Photos, Music and more very simple.It is very fast and easy to use and will provide plenty of storage for backups. It works with Fat32 files!!! You can watch videos stored on the drive! Wow! Not every drive can handle the Fat32 files. The HooToo can!

So...$138 and you need to use a clunky 3rd party app and not a smooth workflow in the OS. It just gets better and better. You're proving my point for me. Are you sure you're not in full agreement with me?

And wow, Fat32. That's a name I've not heard in a long time. Does it support EBCDIC?

Or you can NOT buy iPad and NOT suffer, whilst others may enjoy what they want. Sounds terrible?

I own an iPad. Worst tech buying mistake I ever made. I feel sorry for the non-techies who listen to people like you. But with advice like yours, it's no wonder people who don't really understand tech learn to hate it so much.
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For me, I HATE having to 'organize files' - I don't want to spend my time on a device doing what I consider to be maintenance that should be automated. I won't say iOS is perfect (by any stretch) when it comes to handling files, but for me it is MUCH preferred.

Great, enjoy your consumption today, I'm happy for you that you have something you like. (no sarcasm intended, I'm glad you enjoy using it).

But when you pretend it's actually a serious computer with the same functionality of something that actually has the file system you HATE, you just sound foolish.

To your question - why should the iPad be the same as a 20+ year old solution?

I didn't say modern computers use a 20+ year old solution, I said they had a better solution 20+ years ago. And it's improved steadily over the past 20 years to it's sleek modern form.

For someone like me, who hates having to think about such things, iOS is really the only available option.

Yep, finally something you said I can agree with 100%. Again, enjoy your iPad. just stop pretending it has the basic functionality a computer has had since the last century.

 

[StoneJack]

That link redirected me to Amazon Canada where the item is $138. How much is it in the US? The last 32 gig USB stick I bought was under $10 Canadian.. So it's more than 14 times as expensive, and it's much bigger and ugly. Plus who is HooToo? When I buy flash storage, I like a major, reputable brand which is still sub $10. So generic memory that will work with your iPad is 14 times the price of brand name memory for my laptop.

Are you seriously trying to pretend it's comparable, especially as i said it needs to be sub $10 in my post you just replied to?



That pretty much makes my point for me. $138 for a measly 32 gig of memory and the guy is raving it saves him so much money Apple must hate it.

Compared to sub $10 for my laptop and it's a cheap commodity product.



So...$138 and you need to use a clunky 3rd party app and not a smooth workflow in the OS. It just gets better and better. You're proving my point for me. Are you sure you're not in full agreement with me?

And wow, Fat32. That's a name I've not heard in a long time. Does it support EBCDIC?



I own an iPad. Worst tech buying mistake I ever made. I feel sorry for the non-techies who listen to people like you. But with advice like yours, it's no wonder people who don't really understand tech learn to hate it so much.
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Great, enjoy your consumption today, I'm happy for you that you have something you like. (no sarcasm intended, I'm glad you enjoy using it).

But when you pretend it's actually a serious computer with the same functionality of something that actually has the file system you HATE, you just sound foolish.



I didn't say modern computers use a 20+ year old solution, I said they had a better solution 20+ years ago. And it's improved steadily over the past 20 years to it's sleek modern form.



Yep, finally something you said I can agree with 100%. Again, enjoy your iPad. just stop pretending it has the basic functionality a computer has had since the last century.

I have a great solution for your whining and crying: just sell your iPad. Buy some Samsung tablets.
I thought there is wifi in Canada, but maybe I was wrong.

 

[bensisko]

Great, enjoy your consumption today, I'm happy for you that you have something you like. (no sarcasm intended, I'm glad you enjoy using it).

But when you pretend it's actually a serious computer with the same functionality of something that actually has the file system you HATE, you just sound foolish.

Yep, finally something you said I can agree with 100%. Again, enjoy your iPad. just stop pretending it has the basic functionality a computer has had since the last century.

I sound foolish because I found a system that works better for me? Well thank you for telling me! I'm glad someone finally showed me the light! All the creation I've been doing with my iPad and all the work I've been getting done with it over the years... must not have been "real" work because it's JUST a consumption device! I just can't thank you enough for setting me straight! (Sarcasm certainly intended)

The iPad and iOS is every bit as "real computer" as any Mac or PC. People who claim that it's not a "serious computer" sound foolish. Can it do absolutely everything? No - no computer can do everything. Every computer, every OS is limited in some fashion and it's all about choosing the hardware, OS, and software that is right for you.

I AM enjoying my iPad. It sounds like the iPad is not the solution for you - I recommend a Surface Pro.

 

[Channan]

I don't see myself ever buying another tablet of any sort they are just too clunky which is inherent to the design of nothing but a small touch screen as the US. If my computer died today I'd have a new one by tomorrow and sadly (very sadly actually), it wouldn't be a Mac because Apple just doesn't sell anything worth buying in that space anymore.

So you find tablets clunky but not laptops?

 

[sracer]

I sound foolish because I found a system that works better for me? Well thank you for telling me! I'm glad someone finally showed me the light! All the creation I've been doing with my iPad and all the work I've been getting done with it over the years... must not have been "real" work because it's JUST a consumption device! I just can't thank you enough for setting me straight! (Sarcasm certainly intended)

The iPad and iOS is every bit as "real computer" as any Mac or PC. People who claim that it's not a "serious computer" sound foolish. Can it do absolutely everything? No - no computer can do everything. Every computer, every OS is limited in some fashion and it's all about choosing the hardware, OS, and software that is right for you.

I AM enjoying my iPad. It sounds like the iPad is not the solution for you - I recommend a Surface Pro.

Everyone has different levels of experience and knowledge. Over the years, and especially true for Apple users, there has been a lowering of the bar of knowledge required in working with computing devices. While this makes computers more accessible to a greater number of people, it lowers the amount of knowledge and experience needed to use them effectively... and it also strengthens the person's need to remain with Apple.

This manifests itself in apps like Photoshop. Many non-professionals say they "need" photoshop... primarily because of the wealth of functions provided. There is a myriad of (what I call) "Do-It" buttons... point and click buttons that perform specialized tasks. Without those buttons, most people would not know how to perform those tasks using more basic functions in combination. For example: Need a drop-shadow? Just select the area and click the "do-it" button for drop shadow. Without a drop-shadow button, most users wouldn't know how to create that effect.

This phenomenon carries over to new devices like tablets. People are comfortable with the only way they know how to do things on a notebook or desktop. They have little experience or knowledge beyond those very narrow and defined lines of using a computer.

When tablets enter the picture, it is a different operating paradigm. Those people expect tablets to work exactly the same way as notebooks/desktops. When it doesn't, their solution is to turn a tablet into a notebook. How many times have we seen people say, "for the iPad to be a Pro device it needs to run macOS"? That's an example of that limited understanding on display.

I've long since given up trying to help others see that by taking a step back from HOW a task is performed and determining WHAT needs to get done that more effective methods can be discovered. I simply do as you did, recommend a Surface Pro.

 

[bensisko]

Everyone has different levels of experience and knowledge. Over the years, and especially true for Apple users, there has been a lowering of the bar of knowledge required in working with computing devices. While this makes computers more accessible to a greater number of people, it lowers the amount of knowledge and experience needed to use them effectively... and it also strengthens the person's need to remain with Apple.

This manifests itself in apps like Photoshop. Many non-professionals say they "need" photoshop... primarily because of the wealth of functions provided. There is a myriad of (what I call) "Do-It" buttons... point and click buttons that perform specialized tasks. Without those buttons, most people would not know how to perform those tasks using more basic functions in combination. For example: Need a drop-shadow? Just select the area and click the "do-it" button for drop shadow. Without a drop-shadow button, most users wouldn't know how to create that effect.

This phenomenon carries over to new devices like tablets. People are comfortable with the only way they know how to do things on a notebook or desktop. They have little experience or knowledge beyond those very narrow and defined lines of using a computer.

When tablets enter the picture, it is a different operating paradigm. Those people expect tablets to work exactly the same way as notebooks/desktops. When it doesn't, their solution is to turn a tablet into a notebook. How many times have we seen people say, "for the iPad to be a Pro device it needs to run macOS"? That's an example of that limited understanding on display.

I've long since given up trying to help others see that by taking a step back from HOW a task is performed and determining WHAT needs to get done that more effective methods can be discovered. I simply do as you did, recommend a Surface Pro.

Expertly said!

 

[jamisonbaines]

Staying on topic, yes, iPad is definitely the future. Not for Programming and heavy video editing but for 95% of tasks and 95% of people, yes. Realistically it's the present and the future is probably some sort of AR.

Why should people accept "good enough" when "great" has been available for 20+ years?

Because in a lot of ways good enough in 2017 is way better than great was in whatever year you're thinking about. I also have a 2011 MBP, a 15" with 2 SSD's.. it feels super dated to me.

 

[DevNull0]

I have a great solution for your whining and crying: just sell your iPad. Buy some Samsung tablets.
I thought there is wifi in Canada, but maybe I was wrong.

So for someone who doesn't like tablets and does like Macs your advice is to "buy some Samsung tablets". Brilliant. Everything in my post you were replying to was grouping all tablets together and pro-Mac.

It's for travel, and while Canada does have a heck of a lot of wilderness with no wifi, I spend a decent amount of time on the water and a decent amount in countries where roaming fees are in the dollars per megabyte range.

 

[StoneJack]

So for someone who doesn't like tablets and does like Macs your advice is to "buy some Samsung tablets". Brilliant. Everything in my post you were replying to was grouping all tablets together and pro-Mac.

It's for travel, and while Canada does have a heck of a lot of wilderness with no wifi, I spend a decent amount of time on the water and a decent amount in countries where roaming fees are in the dollars per megabyte range.

Then buy whatever you want, i don't care

 

[Amaze]

How can I take a PDF from an email attachment, edit it, and then email the edited PDF to a different person? That's simple on a computer, needs some 3rd party apps and a convoluted workflow on an iPad.

On iPad:
1. Open the pdf in an app (say pdf expert or adobe)
2. Edit the documenet (with the pencil, freehand if you will)
3. Send the file from the app

On laptop:
1. Open the pdf in an app! (Say adobe or..)
2. Edit the document
3. Send the document from the app (or worse, open mail again, search file and send from there)

Cant see really a difference here.

Granted that is only a one example and some things require more "work" on an iPad. Basic stuff is easily as easy or easier than with a computer, YMMV.

For me iPad is the personal computer that I use. I have an work issued laptop that I use for spreadsheets, photo editing (heavy)and such

I also use my iPhone alot for work and personal stuff. So different things for different tasks but I think the iPad is the most used and most versatile.

 

[Bobby dazzler]

Basically meaning the main device people use to do simple tasks as surfing the web, playing a mobile game, checking bank statement, writing product reviews, and emailing?

In a word, Yes.
It's much more handy. Instant on. The Pro has a nicer display to use than any other iPad I've got or used.

iPad Pro is lush and has a massive future.

Doesn't mean I dont love my iMac. For serious and seriously fast and concentrated word processing - I use the iMac.

 

[xxray]

In some ways I think it is. It's a more efficient device, long battery, small form factor, very portable, can game very well, etc. Apple's mobile processors are also exponentially getting faster while computer processors are hitting a plateau.

However, I just don't see how an iPad will be replace a laptop. If it were up to me, I'd choose a laptop everyday over an iPad. Yes, you can do the same basic things on both. But I find the experience on a laptop to be much faster and easier, while the iPad experience is more cumbersome and annoying. The iPad has yet to match the laptop's ability just to multitask quickly and easily. It obviously can't do everything a laptop can when it comes to programming, file management, and power users either. I just can't see a path where the iPad will be able to replace these functions.

 

[bensisko]

So for someone who doesn't like tablets and does like Macs your advice is to "buy some Samsung tablets". Brilliant. Everything in my post you were replying to was grouping all tablets together and pro-Mac.

It's for travel, and while Canada does have a heck of a lot of wilderness with no wifi, I spend a decent amount of time on the water and a decent amount in countries where roaming fees are in the dollars per megabyte range.

Fine. Go buy a Modbook Pro - a OS X tablet.
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However, I just don't see how an iPad will be replace a laptop. If it were up to me, I'd choose a laptop everyday over an iPad.

The good news is that it IS up to you!
(With the possible exception of work computers...)

 

[DevNull0]

Fine. Go buy a Modbook Pro - a OS X tablet.
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What part of tablets are a horrible form factor is not getting though to you?
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On iPad:
1. Open the pdf in an app (say pdf expert or adobe)
2. Edit the documenet (with the pencil, freehand if you will)
3. Send the file from the app

Okay. Really not trying to be difficult here, but how do you get the PDF from the incoming email to the PDF editing app?
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Then buy whatever you want, i don't care

If only you meant that and said it to everyone.
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Because in a lot of ways good enough in 2017 is way better than great was in whatever year you're thinking about. I also have a 2011 MBP, a 15" with 2 SSD's.. it feels super dated to me.

Okay, so good enough in 2017 is better than great in 1997, agreed. But that great in 1997 has 20 years of further refinement and is great in 2017 as well. I'll take great in 2017 over good enough in 2017.

And if you think a 2011 mbp with 2 SSDs feels dated, there's not much to say. It really isn't compared to anything Apple is doing in 2017.

 

[Brammy]

What part of tablets are a horrible form factor is not getting though to you?
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Okay. Really not trying to be difficult here, but how do you get the PDF from the incoming email to the PDF editing app?

Tap the attachment in Mail it will download and open. Tap the share icon and sleet the PDF editor from the list.
Also not trying to be difficult but what is the latest version of iOS you've used? It has changed a lot in iOS 9 and 10.

As a proud owner of a 2011 it's dated. The new ones are faster and have better screens. You don't have the storage, you do, but they are better machines. You can also get a 2tb SSD. It's not cheap mind you.

 

[bensisko]

What part of tablets are a horrible form factor is not getting though to you?

Well, mainly the part about somebody who apprently isn't interested in talking about tablets coming to a forum on tablets.

 

[BigMcGuire]

I don't think tablets are a horrible form factor. I do a LOT of reading and I love holding my tablet up to my face so I can read level without having to bend my head down as I would with a laptop. Now for data input, yes, tablets aren't exactly primed for this. Even with a keyboard that holds my tablet, the screen is lower than a laptop's screen, but it works.

I find that I am using my tablet more and more. What I wish it could do is output display to my 2 monitors on my desk, accept wireless mouse/keyboard then it would be even more useful. I imagine this is coming in the next few years. Allow an external GPU for gaming to these monitors and you're set for an all in one device.

 

[Appleaker]

Basically meaning the main device people use to do simple tasks as surfing the web, playing a mobile game, checking bank statement, writing product reviews, and emailing?

Yes of course, but that has been true for a long time, probably since the 2011/2012. A laptop will be preferred for some for those tasks, but the ease of use and simplicity of an iPad means that a laptop isn't as attractive to do those tasks for most consumers.

 

[Mainsail]

I agree. A tablet can be a great form factor....it just depends on what you are doing. I worked with lots of managers that preferred to take an iPad to meetings and on travel. After all, a tablet is a mobile device with a mobile operating system, so it makes sense to take it with you when you are....you know....mobile.

When back at the office, many of my colleagues would shift back to a desktop computer. But, they would get a substantial amount of work done with the iPad whilst on-the-go. So, they found themselves using the iPad as their primary device. I don't understand why this is so hard to understand.

 

[lax28]

A lot of the bickering sounds like what people would say to me ~20 years ago when I used a laptop as my only computer. There was no way they could ever imagine being able to give up their desktop machines and the ports and hard drive space (which was nothing compared to today's standards)....fast forward and it is very common to only use a laptop and not need a additional desktop at home (probably for most people). Crossing a similar road now, most people in the future will be able to do all of their personal computing from an iPad. This will never include everyone, but probably the vast majority.

So yes, I can envision the iPad being the future, but I don't think it will be for me I can't imagine not having a laptop for work.

There will always be something that we can debate, about if it can replace what we see as a great thing already. Just look at when people started giving up landlines and going cell phone only...at that time cell phones where only good enough to do it, compared to the dependable great phone service of the landlines. Now that good enough has improved to great service. Don't be surprised if the same happens with tablets when it comes to personal computing.

 

[bensisko]

A lot of the bickering sounds like what people would say to me ~20 years ago when I used a laptop as my only computer. There was no way they could ever imagine being able to give up their desktop machines and the ports and hard drive space (which was nothing compared to today's standards)....fast forward and it is very common to only use a laptop and not need a additional desktop at home (probably for most people). Crossing a similar road now, most people in the future will be able to do all of their personal computing from an iPad. This will never include everyone, but probably the vast majority.

So yes, I can envision the iPad being the future, but I don't think it will be for me I can't imagine not having a laptop for work.

There will always be something that we can debate, about if it can replace what we see as a great thing already. Just look at when people started giving up landlines and going cell phone only...at that time cell phones where only good enough to do it, compared to the dependable great phone service of the landlines. Now that good enough has improved to great service. Don't be surprised if the same happens with tablets when it comes to personal computing.

Exactly and very well said.
Another example is when GUIs first cam into play vs. command line.

 

[DevNull0]

Well, mainly the part about somebody who apprently isn't interested in talking about tablets coming to a forum on tablets.

I see. You're one of those people who believes you should only hear opinions you agree with and any dissenting opinions belong somewhere else. Every idea should be isolated so you only hear ideas you want to hear. Any idea you don't agree with is offensive to you and you shouldn't have to hear it.

A forum on tablets is only for people who love tablets and is positive about them in every way, so when someone asks if a tablet can replace a computer, of course the answer is yes, because anyone who might say no is in the wrong place.

A forum for Apple is only for people who love what Apple is doing right now, anyone who says they were better in the past and wishes that past would return is offensive and should find a different forum.
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A lot of the bickering sounds like what people would say to me ~20 years ago when I used a laptop as my only computer. There was no way they could ever imagine being able to give up their desktop machines and the ports and hard drive space (which was nothing compared to today's standards)....

Nice fantasy. Except that nothing here has been about the specs of a tablet vs a pc. Just the limitations of the OS and UI.
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I don't think tablets are a horrible form factor. I do a LOT of reading and I love holding my tablet up to my face so I can read level without having to bend my head down as I would with a laptop. Now for data input, yes, tablets aren't exactly primed for this. Even with a keyboard that holds my tablet, the screen is lower than a laptop's screen, but it works.

Interesting. When I'm laying down to read in bed or on a couch, I find the laptop more comfortable because I open the hinge all the way, rest the bottom edge on my chest (on a pillow if it gets too heavy), and it is easy to balance it with the screen up to my face at a perfect level. With the tablet, I have to hold the whole device up, so the weight is uncomfortable and I can't hold it for long. I also can't hold it as steady without resting it so my eyes get fatigued faster from trying to read a moving target.
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Tap the attachment in Mail it will download and open. Tap the share icon and sleet the PDF editor from the list.
Also not trying to be difficult but what is the latest version of iOS you've used? It has changed a lot in iOS 9 and 10.

On the iPad 4, iOS 6. My wife has an iPhone 6s+ running iOS 10 which I play with from time to time. I'll take a look at what you said, I'm not clear on the share icon, but I imagine it won't be hard to figure out with the phone in my hand, so thank you for that at least.

As a proud owner of a 2011 it's dated. The new ones are faster and have better screens. You don't have the storage, you do, but they are better machines. You can also get a 2tb SSD. It's not cheap mind you.

Faster, I disagree with, I'll put the entry level 2012 cMBP up against the newer and more expensive entry level 2016 or high end against high end. And don't forget it takes a lot more work to push that retina screen around with a computer that doesn't have a lot more power.

Better screens you're right and also faster ports, faster ssd, longer battery life. But the older machines don't look or feel dated, they still have a sleek look and feel, and imo the cMBP and rMBP represent the ideal thickness range with the emojiBook looking and feeling awkward.[/quote][/QUOTE]