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I just think that somehow, someday, 9.7'' tablets will fade away. It is actually in the worst spot out of all the devices.
Why did I say this? Because if you want true portability, you go for a 7'' or 8'' tablet. You might as well get a phablet instead of a small tablet + Phone.
Then people would need something with some (not a whole lot of) portability but larger screen & better performance, like a 12''-13'' tablet, for use at home, office, or desk.

Then tell me where does the 9.7'' tablet fit in? Nowhere! It is underpowered compared to 12''-13'', it is not as portable and more expensive than 7''-8''. The 9.7'' tablet just has no mainstream market when the bigger tablets are out. It has no real advantage in the very near future.

Oh I think I just cracked the code as to why Apple increased the price of their iPad mini so much and made it almost as powerful as the iPad Air...They see this coming.

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(or should I say, x1.618?) :D

3.5" and 9.7" sizes are products of a fanatic who thought that the whole world must like what he likes. World tried them and voted differently. 3.5" is dying, and 4.5-5.5" for phones and 7-8" for tablets are getting more and more popular every day. 9.7" will follow the fate of 3.5-4" and die.

For sizes bigger than 7-8", tablet doesn't make any sense: there are ultrathin, ultralight laptops now with any size of screen and with battery life approaching that of tablets.
 
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(or should I say, x1.618?) :D

3.5" and 9.7" sizes are products of a fanatic who thought that the whole world must like what he likes. World tried them and voted differently. 3.5" is dying, and 4.5-5.5" for phones and 7-8" for tablets are getting more and more popular every day. 9.7" will follow the fate of 3.5-4" and die.

For sizes bigger than 7-8", tablet doesn't make any sense: there are ultrathin, ultralight laptops now with any size of screen and with battery life approaching that of tablets.

I still think 12-13" tablets will have a shot in success because of their novelty and cheapness compared to high performance laptops. Also a detachable keyboard would make it a sure winner.
 
I just think that somehow, someday, 9.7'' tablets will fade away. It is actually in the worst spot out of all the devices.
Why did I say this? Because if you want true portability, you go for a 7'' or 8'' tablet. You might as well get a phablet instead of a small tablet + Phone.
Then people would need something with some (not a whole lot of) portability but larger screen & better performance, like a 12''-13'' tablet, for use at home, office, or desk.

Then tell me where does the 9.7'' tablet fit in? Nowhere! It is underpowered compared to 12''-13'', it is not as portable and more expensive than 7''-8''. The 9.7'' tablet just has no mainstream market when the bigger tablets are out. It has no real advantage in the very near future.

Oh I think I just cracked the code as to why Apple increased the price of their iPad mini so much and made it almost as powerful as the iPad Air...They see this coming.

Wow. I could not disagree more.
 
not even sure how someone started with ipad pro and now we gona have to see a thread about it every dam week
 
Wow. I could not disagree more.

Can you explain your reasoning? Is there something you must do on a 9.7" tablet. I can think of one is reading magazines is better on 9.7 than 7 and 12" is probably too big for holding like a book
 
Can you explain your reasoning? Is there something you must do on a 9.7" tablet. I can think of one is reading magazines is better on 9.7 than 7 and 12" is probably too big for holding like a book

I actually have an iPad mini right now, but to say the market for a 9.7" tablet is dead is just crazy talk. Besides the fact that there are pretty much no 13" tablets in existence, 9.7" more than have their place. That'd be like saying all laptop sizes besides 13" and 15" should be non-existent.

I think maybe you confused your needs with the needs of everyone else.
 
I actually have an iPad mini right now, but to say the market for a 9.7" tablet is dead is just crazy talk. Besides the fact that there are pretty much no 13" tablets in existence, 9.7" more than have their place. That'd be like saying all laptop sizes besides 13" and 15" should be non-existent.

I think maybe you confused your needs with the needs of everyone else.

Yeah, I'm definitely not saying it is dead right now and won't be for years to come. But it will fade away, i.e. gradually decline in market share compared to other sizes when the bigger tablets are available. Some people would still like a 9.7'' tablet, I think in particular the old people with poor eye sight like a 9.7'' over a small 7''. I know some of them say 9.7'' is still too small for reading. It does not mean they won't like a 12''-13'' either. They just prefer bigger stuff that fits their price range. I think Apple might need to price their larger tablets carefully (read: expensively) to not kill off their massive 9.7'' foodbowl, which accounts for significant amounts of their revenue.
 
Yeah, I'm definitely not saying it is dead right now and won't be for years to come. But it will fade away, i.e. gradually decline in market share compared to other sizes when the bigger tablets are available. Some people would still like a 9.7'' tablet, I think in particular the old people with poor eye sight like a 9.7'' over a small 7''. I know some of them say 9.7'' is still too small for reading. It does not mean they won't like a 12''-13'' either. They just prefer bigger stuff that fits their price range. I think Apple might need to price their larger tablets carefully (read: expensively) to not kill off their massive 9.7'' foodbowl, which accounts for significant amounts of their revenue.

fade away.....yea maybe in 50 years
 
Yeah, I'm definitely not saying it is dead right now and won't be for years to come. But it will fade away, i.e. gradually decline in market share compared to other sizes when the bigger tablets are available. Some people would still like a 9.7'' tablet, I think in particular the old people with poor eye sight like a 9.7'' over a small 7''. I know some of them say 9.7'' is still too small for reading. It does not mean they won't like a 12''-13'' either. They just prefer bigger stuff that fits their price range. I think Apple might need to price their larger tablets carefully (read: expensively) to not kill off their massive 9.7'' foodbowl, which accounts for significant amounts of their revenue.

I haven't tried a 12" tablet so I don't know how it will affect usage. I will say that the 9.7" is better than the 7.9" screen for my GF (who doesn't leave the condo with it) and my mom (who is old and needs a bigger screen).
 
Another point I have right now is that all three companies (Microsoft, Google & Apple) will eventually release a touch-based product that would work as a desk computer.

Since Microsoft have done it already with their Surface Pro, Google with their Chromebooks, it just leaves to apple to release something similar. Apple is probably as usual testing the market by letting their competitors venture into the unknowns first. Then they will find the right balance and strike it hard when they attack.

Quite frankly, both Google and Microsoft have failed with their touch based desk computer. I think the Surface Pro 2 is too small for a real desk computer replacement. If only it were a bit larger, people might start buying it in droves.
The Chromebook Pixel is just so poorly executed, with high price tag, yet doesn't function as well as a laptop.

I think Apple will merge all the goodness of Surface Pro & Chromebook together, and just call it their own iPad Pro or something similar.
 
Comparing any supposed "iPad Pro" to Chromebooks indicates a fundamental misunderstanding of what Chromebooks are.

The Chromebook Pixel is a proof of concept device, as a go-to-market strategy it's a non-starter. Nobody is buying these things and nobody will ever buy them.

Where the Chromebook is/can be successful, however, is in the low-end space. The Chromebook is the new netbook. There's nothing wrong with that, but it's hardly the space in which an "iPad Pro" would compete.

I think that the Chromebook is going to take market share away from very low-end Windows PCs, and from Android tablets.

I don't think Chromebooks directly compete with iPads any more than toasters compete with microwaves - just because they both cook things, doesn't mean one is a substitute for the other.
 
Yes whilst most chromebooks are targeted at the cheaper end, I think Google really wants to eat Apple's pie of the higher end with the Chromebook Pixel.
 
Yes whilst most chromebooks are targeted at the cheaper end, I think Google really wants to eat Apple's pie of the higher end with the Chromebook Pixel.

There's nothing about the Chrombook Pixel that is eating any of Apple's pie. The only thing it has going for it is a 12" hi-DPI touch enabled screen. Other than that the thing is useless thanks to ChromeOS. ChromeOS doesn't even begin to approach the flexibility and functionality of Android or iOS, much less full fledged desktop OSs.

I don't see a 13" iPad making any sense at all in the current state of the computing world. It's going to be a 'tweener size that's not quite a tablet and not quite a laptop. Too big and heavy to be used like a tablet. Too limited in functionality to be used like a laptop. Now, I could be wrong and it could very well find a niche market like phablets did, but I just don't see it.

A bigger iPad wouldn't necessarily be more powerful either, as the name iPad suggests it will still be a tablet device powered by an ARM-based processor and iOS.

A larger tablet doesn't make sense as something you use mostly on your desk but have the ability to take somewhere when you need to. That product already exists, and it's called a laptop. And laptops come with full fledged desktop operating systems that are infinitely more productive and powerful.

I don't think Apple is convinced this sort of tablet/laptop hybrid device is something the public wants. The Surface Pro is something that embodies this concept exactly...full desktop Windows 8 environment for use like a normal laptop, with the Metro UI that works great in tablet mode. Yet sales have floundered. Many many other convertible/hybrid/detachable keyboard laptop/tablet type devices, yet I don't see many of them taking off in the market. Not to mention Apple would need an iOS/OS X hybrid because iOS is too restrictive to use in a desktop-based device, and OS X is not touch friendly.
 
I don't see a 13" iPad making any sense at all in the current state of the computing world. .

As long as the "current state of the computing world centers on typing--you are largely correct. But you and others here are totally discounting the rise of pen based computing for students, designers and engineers. Its already hugely popular at university level-and it will catch on in middle and highschool.
A huge market
 
As long as the "current state of the computing world centers on typing--you are largely correct. But you and others here are totally discounting the rise of pen based computing for students, designers and engineers. Its already hugely popular at university level-and it will catch on in middle and highschool.
A huge market

Don't really see that either. Designers and engineers, sure. But text and data input is still most efficiently accomplished by a keyboard. Moving to handwriting would be a step back in efficiency. I don't see any thing that middle or high schoolers need to do in everyday schooling that would benefit from the precise input of a pen/stylus over just a normal touchscreen.

The education market is a very small niche in the scheme of things. Most schools do not even have money to implement the use of tablets. Apple would not release a product solely based on the benefits it would have in the school environment.
 
There's nothing about the Chrombook Pixel that is eating any of Apple's pie. The only thing it has going for it is a 12" hi-DPI touch enabled screen. Other than that the thing is useless thanks to ChromeOS. ChromeOS doesn't even begin to approach the flexibility and functionality of Android or iOS, much less full fledged desktop OSs.

I don't see a 13" iPad making any sense at all in the current state of the computing world. It's going to be a 'tweener size that's not quite a tablet and not quite a laptop. Too big and heavy to be used like a tablet. Too limited in functionality to be used like a laptop. Now, I could be wrong and it could very well find a niche market like phablets did, but I just don't see it.

A bigger iPad wouldn't necessarily be more powerful either, as the name iPad suggests it will still be a tablet device powered by an ARM-based processor and iOS.

A larger tablet doesn't make sense as something you use mostly on your desk but have the ability to take somewhere when you need to. That product already exists, and it's called a laptop. And laptops come with full fledged desktop operating systems that are infinitely more productive and powerful.

I don't think Apple is convinced this sort of tablet/laptop hybrid device is something the public wants. The Surface Pro is something that embodies this concept exactly...full desktop Windows 8 environment for use like a normal laptop, with the Metro UI that works great in tablet mode. Yet sales have floundered. Many many other convertible/hybrid/detachable keyboard laptop/tablet type devices, yet I don't see many of them taking off in the market. Not to mention Apple would need an iOS/OS X hybrid because iOS is too restrictive to use in a desktop-based device, and OS X is not touch friendly.

Yes, maybe you are right you don't see the need for a device like this right now. Nobody saw a need for an iPad back then anyways. People mocked it for being a giant iPod Touch but still bought it. Apple just create markets rather than respond to what the market wants. Consumers don't even know what they even want if they haven't seen it. Apple desperately need a new growth engine. Their existing ones are pretty much matured. I don't think it is just Apple that need a new growth engine, the entire tech industry needs a new growth engine. There hadn't been much innovation since the high growth phases back in 2010. Well somebody has to make the right bold moves and win it, or we will be stuck with useless chromebooks.

It is quite obvious that for tech companies to market to non-tech users, they really have to market something that will arouse these non-tech users' interests. The non-tech users have absolutely no idea what they will need. It is not like other industries where people can demand what they want, for instance, food companies cater to what food people like to eat, be it chinese, italian, steaks, burgers etc. The point is majority of the people do not even know what computer/weird device they want in the first place. Nobody can demand something they haven't even seen before. Just like how the cell phones used to be plain phones with nothing extra, people were happy with those at that time. Then companies added things like cameras because they want more growth, or just because they can, and people bought camera phones in droves. Did the majority of the people back then demand a phone that can browse the internet, or listen to music, or use apps? No, they didn't even know a phone can be used for things other than being a phone.

It works in similar ways with the "next big thing", I can assure you Samsung's "Next Big thing is already here" ads are not the next big thing. Nobody knows what the next big thing is, even the companies that make them cannot tell. They just execute by putting well designed products out. They won't know which product will stick and which will not. It is just a probability game where you put in your capital to do R&D in hopes to lower your failure rate, and hence increase your returns. It can be seen as a gamble, but talented companies can increase the success probability and lower failure rates.

There are still no user friendly products out there today that sit between the laptop and the tablet. It is that thing in the middle where companies are researching intensely. When that one thing that sits right there in between becomes available, I think we could see a very rapid growth from companies that can benefit from the next trend.
 
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There are still no user friendly products out there today that sit between the laptop and the tablet. It is that thing in the middle where companies are researching intensely. When that one thing that sits right there in between becomes available, I think we could see a very rapid growth from companies that can benefit from the next trend.

Your suppositions are incorrect, first of all, anyone who did not see a need for a tablet device was not paying attention. There were windows tablet devices for years before the ipad. The ipad was just the first tablet that was designed with software to be a tablet. Not the first tablet. Secondly your suggesting that there is a need for a device class in between laptops and minis. That need is already filled by the 9.7" Ipad air tablet, among others. What exactly are you expecting to get out of a 12" tablet? I don't see what benefits that your going to get from it, that you don't already have in the Air.

That being said if anyone could create a need for a class of device between Ipad mini, and laptops, it is Apple.
 
Your suppositions are incorrect, first of all, anyone who did not see a need for a tablet device was not paying attention. There were windows tablet devices for years before the ipad. The ipad was just the first tablet that was designed with software to be a tablet. Not the first tablet. Secondly your suggesting that there is a need for a device class in between laptops and minis. That need is already filled by the 9.7" Ipad air tablet, among others. What exactly are you expecting to get out of a 12" tablet? I don't see what benefits that your going to get from it, that you don't already have in the Air.

That being said if anyone could create a need for a class of device between Ipad mini, and laptops, it is Apple.

Well I don't know where you got your first point, but I never said or assumed something that silly.
And the second point is not what I was saying as well... I was referring to a class between the full sized iPad and laptop.
 
I doubt Apple loses much sleep over chrome book. I do really hope for a iPad Pro and am betting we will see one in 2014
 
I've always thought that the Chromebook Pixel compared more aptly to the 1st generation MacBook Air than anything else. I don't think either were designed to sell a ton of units, but rather to say "this is what this product will look like in the near future." They were more "concept car" than "production model."
 
what would be the purpose of the pro

The Pro would replace my new iPad Air is a second. The larger format would not be a problem for me the carry. Most the time it is used at home. There are many who would like a 12" iPad or even larger.

I would buy a 15" iPad Super Pro!
 
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