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Do you have any issues with audio on the Mac Mini?
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"this article is for usb2.0 only tho..."
The problem is that the vast majority of audio interfaces "out there" are "USB2".
So, that will mean a lot of grief for audio-oriented folks who buy t2-equipped Macs.
I'm wondering if this can affect the audio component on video editing apps, as well?
"this article is for usb2.0 only tho..."
The problem is that the vast majority of audio interfaces "out there" are "USB2".
So, that will mean a lot of grief for audio-oriented folks who buy t2-equipped Macs.
I'm wondering if this can affect the audio component on video editing apps, as well?
As well as audio/video pro's, audiophiles will steer clear of the newer Macs. I haven't heard of any external DACs aimed at audiophiles that use TB3 or USB3.
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I just visited Head-Fi, a forum which is as audio-oriented as you can get. It has 421,000 members, with 5700 people visiting when I dropped by.
I did a search and was unable to find a single thread on the T2 chip, not one. There were a few individual posts by Linux users who are annoyed that the mini works with Windows, but not Linux, and that was it.
Cue up some self-described "audio pro" to now say that all of these people are too stupid to realise that they have a problem, and that the evil T2 "watchdog" is causing it.
What grief?
I just visited Head-Fi, a forum which is as audio-oriented as you can get. It has 421,000 members, with 5700 people visiting when I dropped by.
I did a search and was unable to find a single thread on the T2 chip, not one. There were a few individual posts by Linux users who are annoyed that the mini works with Windows, but not Linux, and that was it.
Cue up some self-described "audio pro" to now say that all of these people are too stupid to realise that they have a problem, and that the evil T2 "watchdog" is causing it.
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It's just starting to get attention.
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/wha...n-robert-hunter.784471/page-664#post-14790143
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What did I say? Took less than a minute for somebody to pop up to say, in effect, that all these people are too stupid to realise that they have a huge problem. You know, because if you're into audio, and your audio is garbage, with dropouts all over the place, you wouldn't know unless you're an "audio pro" hanging out on Reddit and MacRumors. All these people have to be "educated".
What did I say? Took less than a minute for somebody to pop up to say, in effect, that all these people are too stupid to realise that they have a huge problem. You know, because if you're into audio, and your audio is garbage, with dropouts all over the place, you wouldn't know unless you're an "audio pro" hanging out on Reddit and MacRumors. All these people have to be "educated".
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I don't know. Perhaps many have moved beyond PC/Mac-based audio and are using dedicated streamers?
Do you have any idea how desperate, grasping at straws, that sounds as an explanation?
Even if people who are seriously into audio are abandoning personal music libraries for streaming, which sounds pretty fanciful to begin with, what do you think they're listening via? The very same audio interfaces.
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I was referring to streaming hardware that enables people to not use a Mac or a PC for digital audio. I don't know much about it myself, but Raspberry Pi's and Sonore products (https://www.sonore.us) get mentioned in this space. Anyway, I digress...
There are several dedicated streaming products on the market, none of which I think is likely to displace PCs and Macs anytime soon. That said, I think that using the Raspberry Pi is a cool idea. I use one for navigation purposes when flying, and I'd like to play with using one for audio. John Darko has made an informative video on the subject:
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More audiophiles discussing Mac T2 audio issue.
https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/55711-problems-with-2018-macs-usb/
https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/55711-problems-with-2018-macs-usb/
It's a link to the exact same article as the post from the other forum you shared, followed by a bunch of empty comments.
The article that both posts link to makes rather blanket statements:
"Issues with the way the new chip synchronizes timing causes dropouts and glitches in the audio stream. (It seems basically all USB 2.0 audio interfaces will be impacted. This of course unfortunately leads users to blame their interface manufacturer, but the fault lies with Apple.)"
Frankly, this is empirically unsubstantiated as we clearly have people (in this very thread) that are NOT having these problems with USB 2.0 audio devices.
Not to diminish the real issues some people are having with their audio interfaces, but this thread is starting to feel like a circle jerk that is driving traffic to an ad-supported clickbait/shoddy journalism peddler. Seriously, is this considered journalism nowadays?
"Apple now loves crowing about its “custom silicon” often without even explaining to us why anyone needs it."
What is going on here?
If I was among those having an actual issue, I would not appreciate a lot of the "supportive" posts in this thread. They are not helping, least of all on the question of credibility.
I am one of those having an issue with this. And I think the more it gets talked about and the more visibility it has, the more the chances are that Apple will actually do something about it.
Obviously, the number of people affected is small, otherwise Apple would have come up with a bug-fix by now. The number of people who use USB DACs to listen to music (as opposed to their smartphones or the headphone/line out jack of their computers) from a Mac is limited. And apparently audio pro's don't use USB anymore, LOL.
Obviously, the number of people affected is small, otherwise Apple would have come up with a bug-fix by now. The number of people who use USB DACs to listen to music (as opposed to their smartphones or the headphone/line out jack of their computers) from a Mac is limited. And apparently audio pro's don't use USB anymore, LOL.
Let me suggest that there are a hell of a lot more audiophiles than "audio pros" and that they aren't buying speakers and headphones that cost hundreds, and in many cases, many thousands, of dollars, so that they can listen to music via the digital to audio converter/preamp on their mobile phone and computer. They also aren't trashing their personal music collections, listening instead to Beats1/Spotify, or indeed Tidal and Idagio*, via a Raspberry Pi
I'd love to hear about what issue you're having. You may even have posted about it. If so, I wouldn't know, because personal experience and issues, not to mention facts, are drowned out in this thread by non-stop bombast, assertions of fact for which no serious evidence is offered, misrepresentation, and in the case of one regular poster claims that defy credulity. There just might be better ways to win support.
As @rmdeluca says, this thread has become a circle jerk. Go ahead, but don't expect others to applaud.
* I mention Idagio because I'm currently trying it out.
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You are anything but an "audio pro" clearly. A stockholder maybe. An audio pro... No. The fact that you continue to question people's credibility speaks volumes. It's moronic to suggest that people are so bored that they come here to manufacture issues with these machines. Get a grip, really! All us "audio pros" want to do is get back to work in the studio producing albums and stop dealing with all the crap that the T2 chip and Mojave have laid upon us. We also don't want to be on here proving the legitimacy of the issues to you. Nobody owes you anything, nor do they need to "win your support". I think we'd all be much better off without your constant deflection.
Your "gang up" tactic with rmedeluca is pathetic btw. Typical pack mentality when too weak to stand on your own. If you take such issue with people posting about their very real problems, why don't you just leave it alone? Do you have nothing better to do? Are you being paid by Apple to try and put fires out and create false doubt? Well you're failing miserably as reflected by many outlets currently. You need to up your game.
I am still waiting for you to share some of the audio work that you've done so we can all be enamored by your genius.
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This is why, if I was having issues with my audio gear's sound, I'd choose somewhere other than this thread to discuss it:
You're absolutely right. People should most definitely choose other places. You're here...
The difference between you and I is that I am not passive aggressive. I don't need to try and be cheeky and clever to somehow try and prove to other people that I have superior knowledge. I mean seriously, look at how you address people. From this holier than thou stance that you are all knowing and everyone else is just making up BS. Craziness LOL!
P.S. Still waiting... I will share when you do.
The dropout issues are much more reproducible on interfaces that has inputs, this is why you don't see as many reports among "audiophiles" since they mostly only use DACs for outputs, with the digital source from the computer itself. Also they usually have an assortment of equipments, where the host Mac/macOS does not need to be an up to date model/version like an audio pro.
Let me suggest that there are a hell of a lot more audiophiles than "audio pros" and that they aren't buying speakers and headphones that cost hundreds, and in many cases, many thousands, of dollars, so that they can listen to music via the digital to audio converter/preamp on their mobile phone and computer. They also aren't trashing their personal music collections, listening instead to Beats1/Spotify, or indeed Tidal and Idagio*, via a Raspberry Pi
I'd love to hear about what issue you're having. You may even have posted about it. If so, I wouldn't know, because personal experience and issues, not to mention facts, are drowned out in this thread by non-stop bombast, assertions of fact for which no serious evidence is offered, misrepresentation, and in the case of one regular poster claims that defy credulity. There just might be better ways to win support.
As @rmdeluca says, this thread has become a circle jerk. Go ahead, but don't expect others to applaud.
* I mention Idagio because I'm currently trying it out.
Stop twisting my words around. I am saying that the number of audiophiles and audio pro's in Apple's customer base is limited. The vast majority of Apple's customers do not use USB DACs or do not use Macs for audio production. This limits the number of people who are affected by this problem. Which is why Apple has not come up with a bug-fix by now.
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This certainly strikes a chord!
25-Year Macintosh Aficionado and Fanboy Abandoning Ship from The S.S. Apple https://link.medium.com/wfdxNTkrGU
25-Year Macintosh Aficionado and Fanboy Abandoning Ship from The S.S. Apple https://link.medium.com/wfdxNTkrGU
I truly believe the mentality at Apple is based on the premise no one will give up their iPhone and thus no matter how bad it gets users won't abandon the Apple ecosystem in order to support the phone. I can't tell you how many times my girl lost her phone and didn't use iTunes on her WinPC to back it up only because she was clueless.
In the beginning Apple did what was best for the user and provided end-to-end elegance nailing the "Pro" firmly within Apple - those same folks need to build their own machines in the era where Apple puts Apple first - sad.
What's happened to all of us who rode the wave - we've grown older, wiser and refuse to accept "less-than" - Apple sees a "mobile" world that's "cool" while we see a world through mature functionality that extends rather than limits - we are now incompatible with "cool". In fact, like fads, cool is transitional while functionality is supportive and builds on foundations.
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There's too much bickering going on between certain users in this thread. Let us help those who may be suffering from issues related to Apple's T2 chip. Allow me to add something of value to this thread by stating the following:
I have a 2018 Mac mini on order.
I have a Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 USB audio interface.
Once I have it set up, I will test and report any audio issues with the new Mac mini.
I don't see why people are fighting here. There are indeed many threads on different forums indicating there is certainly an issue related to Apple's T2 chip and USB audio interfaces and this whole pauseaudioengine timesync kernel thing. I hope I'm not affected, but if I am, I just hope Apple does something about it.
I have a 2018 Mac mini on order.
I have a Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 USB audio interface.
Once I have it set up, I will test and report any audio issues with the new Mac mini.
I don't see why people are fighting here. There are indeed many threads on different forums indicating there is certainly an issue related to Apple's T2 chip and USB audio interfaces and this whole pauseaudioengine timesync kernel thing. I hope I'm not affected, but if I am, I just hope Apple does something about it.