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I would have paid it too had I bought a Mac then because I hate white and that's how much more it cost for the black. Where do you get this idea we are being 'tricked' into this or are 'stupid' because we buy what we want?

I would pay it too, but I am talking about the average consumer, the one's who just "need" as opposed to "want"

Right now they are almost being tricked into thinking that the 13'' MBP is worth the extra $200. Apple knows this, so they will keep the specs as low as they can until these consumers start to say "wait a second, I'm paying that much more because it looks better?"

And yes, I know that there are additional features like FireWire, better screen, etc, but the average consumer most likely does not need these features
 
They said their holiday line-up is set. Which areas are the MBP's specs less impressive than the MB?

Better screen, backlit keyboard, larger cache, FW800, SD slot, etc.

I'm actually curious, what cache do you mean? I have a 2.26 MBP, and I have the same 3 mb of cache on the cpu.

Plus... if you just got the unibody macbook for 799... it beats the pants of the unibody mbp then. 400$ for the screen, backlit keyboard, firewire and SD.
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I'm actually curious, what cache do you mean? I have a 2.26 MBP, and I have the same 3 mb of cache on the cpu.

Plus... if you just got the unibody macbook for 799... it beats the pants of the unibody mbp then. 400$ for the screen, backlit keyboard, firewire and SD.

Bringing a discount price for comparison...really? If I buy a used, but still NIB MBP for 500 it beats the pants off that one. But lets stay relevant, I can get the higher end refurb 13" MBP for 1299 which means for the 400 I would get a better screen, faster processor, keyboard, slots and ports, more ram, and same size drive. Which makes the unibody MacBook not as good a deal. Personally I think the refurbs are as good as new considering the discount you get.

But after that deal goes away, and it will go away, lets discuss stock machines. I think what the MBP offers is def worth 200 over the MB.
 
Yes, lets just look at specs and nothing else.

If your really in to specs, why don't you go over to the windows camp.

Seriously?! Because I am an OSX user of course. Also, this was never a discussion as to whether I should buy a MB or a MBP, I do want the pro, I was only hoping the refresh would be sooner rather than later. My buying habits generally center around the refurbished store anyway. My hope is that when the MBP refresh comes around, I'll be able to snag the current generation MBP 13" for much less than $999 refurbished, or at least a little less. I am not caught up on specs to a certain point. My issue is with paying more for something that I don't deem that valuable. 2.26GHz is certainly all the power I need in a portable machine as far as the processor goes. The only point I was really musing on in this whole discussion is the absurdity of the price of the current entry level MBP considering how incredibly SIMILAR it is to the current MB (notice I said similar, not identical) I am not bashing the current machine, it's fantastic and beautiful. It's just that I am a college student and can't go throwing my money around like I'm rich. All the macs I currently have were purchased refurbished, and from the previous generation, and all of them have served me well. I have confidence in Apple's design, and even more confidence in their AppleCare, I would just like to save as much money as possible. Seeing as how it is not imperative that I get a laptop in the next couple of months, it's no sweat off my back. I simply wanted to know if anyone else had thoughts on this. It is incredibly common for apple to do silent processor upgrades (ie. the 2.13GHz MB shortly after the introduction of the 13" MBP)
 
Then buy a MacBook, or wait. :rolleyes: Apple doesn't build computers for you, if they don't fit your needs, than there are other options available to you.

JESUS H CHRIST get over yourself man! I never said they made computers for me specifically. Why on earth would I discuss what someone else may want out of a computer, clearly I am the one looking for a laptop and not a friend of mine. I could care less who Apple makes their computers for as long as the continue to make stellar computers. I was asking about the possibility of a silent spec bump that would make either the current generation more affordable or the new one more desirable. Do you speak this way to everyone you encounter? Please think before you type next time, that was just plain rude.
 
JESUS H CHRIST get over yourself man! I never said they made computers for me specifically. Why on earth would I discuss what someone else may want out of a computer, clearly I am the one looking for a laptop and not a friend of mine. I could care less who Apple makes their computers for as long as the continue to make stellar computers. I was asking about the possibility of a silent spec bump that would make either the current generation more affordable or the new one more desirable. Do you speak this way to everyone you encounter? Please think before you type next time, that was just plain rude.

Ignore him, that response has become a kind of mantra of these boards for many, thoughtlessly droning it out in thread after thread.. One wonders what they are doing on a discussion forum when the "buy it now or wait" response is about the biggest thought-terminating cliché I have ever encountered and is effectiely like walking into a thread and just telling everyone to stop talking.
 
Bringing a discount price for comparison...really? If I buy a used, but still NIB MBP for 500 it beats the pants off that one. But lets stay relevant, I can get the higher end refurb 13" MBP for 1299 which means for the 400 I would get a better screen, faster processor, keyboard, slots and ports, more ram, and same size drive. Which makes the unibody MacBook not as good a deal. Personally I think the refurbs are as good as new considering the discount you get.

But after that deal goes away, and it will go away, lets discuss stock machines. I think what the MBP offers is def worth 200 over the MB.

But if you're going to discuss stock, it should be stock vs stock, obviously they're going to have refurbs of the 13 inch macbook too.

400$ means a heck of alot of upgrades as well. You can easily buy 4 gb of ram and put in an intel SSD. Plus 400$ on the scale on things is 50% another macbook. I own a lower end mbp, and I used to own the 2.4 ghz unibody macbook. The amount of money increase to me is not worth it because for the price difference I can sell my old macbook pro and buy a new one when the revisions come out like the old 2.4 I had.

I also don't deny the refurbs are great. I recommend them all the time. There are some people who prefer for various reasons to have a new machine. Which is mostly just personal taste. As an owner of an actual 13 inch mbp, I can say that for 300$ (the difference between the MBP I have with an educational discount) and the on sale unibody macbook, I would have thought long and hard. I don't use firewire at all, and I still haven't actually used the SD card slot. I do enjoy the LCD quality (even if it doesn't seem as bright to me) but the 300$ might sway me away since I almost always use my mac in a work environment (we have lights)

To each their own. Plus what is the difference in cache? You've mentioned it a few times. Every 13 inch macbook pro 2.26 or 2.53 comes with 3mb... same as the macbook. Hardware wise they are essentially the same except for keyboard, SD card, and firewire. Performance wise I expect them to be identical. Actually I take that back, I think the macbook will be faster as it's a later hardware revision. My 2.26mbp was faster in most benchmarks than the 2.4 aluminum unibody macbook.

If you want to talk 15 inch with discrete graphics, and faster cpus, I'll have to agree with you there. It's a significant improvement. Whereas the 13 inch is an incremental improvement at best.

Not to worry though, apple will update sooner or later and make more of a distinction between the 13 pro and regular macbook.

I don't understand why people want to bash the unibody macbook so much, It's a dang good laptop. It's not meant to be as high end as the pro line, but they updated it far more recently than the pro so the specs are almost the same. I guess this makes people feel not secure in their superiority in buying a pro. sigh. Honestly the unibody macbook seems like a good buy for the vast majority of consumers. The discounted price of 799 until nov 15 makes it an amazing deal for people looking to get into macs. I see no reason to bash it if it leads people to macs... unless you want to keep it a microcosm of people who wish to feel superior to others.
 
But if you're going to discuss stock, it should be stock vs stock, obviously they're going to have refurbs of the 13 inch macbook too.

400$ means a heck of alot of upgrades as well. You can easily buy 4 gb of ram and put in an intel SSD. Plus 400$ on the scale on things is 50% another macbook. I own a lower end mbp, and I used to own the 2.4 ghz unibody macbook. The amount of money increase to me is not worth it because for the price difference I can sell my old macbook pro and buy a new one when the revisions come out like the old 2.4 I had.

I also don't deny the refurbs are great. I recommend them all the time. There are some people who prefer for various reasons to have a new machine. Which is mostly just personal taste. As an owner of an actual 13 inch mbp, I can say that for 300$ (the difference between the MBP I have with an educational discount) and the on sale unibody macbook, I would have thought long and hard. I don't use firewire at all, and I still haven't actually used the SD card slot. I do enjoy the LCD quality (even if it doesn't seem as bright to me) but the 300$ might sway me away since I almost always use my mac in a work environment (we have lights)

To each their own. Plus what is the difference in cache? You've mentioned it a few times. Every 13 inch macbook pro 2.26 or 2.53 comes with 3mb... same as the macbook. Hardware wise they are essentially the same except for keyboard, SD card, and firewire. Performance wise I expect them to be identical. Actually I take that back, I think the macbook will be faster as it's a later hardware revision. My 2.26mbp was faster in most benchmarks than the 2.4 aluminum unibody macbook.

If you want to talk 15 inch with discrete graphics, and faster cpus, I'll have to agree with you there. It's a significant improvement. Whereas the 13 inch is an incremental improvement at best.

Not to worry though, apple will update sooner or later and make more of a distinction between the 13 pro and regular macbook.

I don't understand why people want to bash the unibody macbook so much, It's a dang good laptop. It's not meant to be as high end as the pro line, but they updated it far more recently than the pro so the specs are almost the same. I guess this makes people feel not secure in their superiority in buying a pro. sigh. Honestly the unibody macbook seems like a good buy for the vast majority of consumers. The discounted price of 799 until nov 15 makes it an amazing deal for people looking to get into macs. I see no reason to bash it if it leads people to macs... unless you want to keep it a microcosm of people who wish to feel superior to others.
$400 is a lot of money you know. That's 33% of the cost of the pro. I could get a pretty average PC with 4 GB of ram for about $400, so think about that. I agree with this dude, that the new macbook is good in its own right.

The only reason the mbp has 90 GB less of space is because it hasn't been updated for a couple months now. The mb got refreshed last month. When the new one comes out in 2010 or whatever, it probably will have 4 GB of ram and a 250 GB hdd for the same $1200, and bring it up to par with pc costs (besides the fruit logo that adds 25% price).
 
Screw it, I just went with a $750 MB refurb. The more I thought about what I do and don't need out of a laptop, this made the most sense. Plus I can still get AppleCare so I won't have to really worry about anything.
 
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