Do you think it's worth getting the new "Mac Pro" - Poll

Do you think it's worth getting the new Mac pro

  • Yes, I love it!

    Votes: 48 24.4%
  • Yes, I love it, but with mixed feelings.

    Votes: 38 19.3%
  • No thanks, no internal expandability.

    Votes: 16 8.1%
  • No thanks, don't want to pay big bucks for every PCIe slot i need.

    Votes: 7 3.6%
  • No thanks, I want to chose my own graphics. (Nvidia /AMD)

    Votes: 15 7.6%
  • No thanks, don't like the full package

    Votes: 14 7.1%
  • I can't judge it yet

    Votes: 59 29.9%

  • Total voters
    197

Apple-Guy

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Just want to easily see in a poll who's yay or nay on the new Mac Pro.

Feel free to backup your choice/opinion by posting in here.

Personally i like the fact that it's smaller, but not at the cost of losing all expandability (unless external).
Not sure about temperature management either when everything's so tightly packed together.
Very curious as to what the price might be, but thinking it's going to be overpriced for what you're getting.

And keep it civil please, thank you.
 
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wallysb01

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I think it works for a lot of folks. It servers as a nice "head" to storage attached via thunderbolt and to a compute cluster for large tasks 6-12 cores can't handle.

As things move on, I think Apple is wise to try to stay away from jobs that really fit well in 12-32 cores. In my expierence, either you can do it in <12 cores with <128 GB of RAM, or you need a cluster for 100s or even 1000s of cores or a single machine with >512 GB of RAM.

If this was available 6 months ago, I'd probably have bought it.
 

calaverasgrande

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I'll miss having an optical. Strange that there is no SD card slot I can see.
The headphone jack is in an idiotic place.
I do like the look, the thermal design, and it is much smaller than the outdated G5 tower it replaces.
I can only hope the price is "innovative".
 

Tesselator

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Heh, I can't understand anyone voting yes in this poll. We know very little about it including the most important element in almost everyones purchase decisions: Price. If you don't know how much it is haw can you say you would buy one? What it's a million dollars? Still worth it then? How about only $10K ?

See what I mean?

I like the system. It's an engineering feat! Less than 10 inches high and under 7 inches in diameter, wow! In fact it's so engineered that they may have engineered themselves right out of a market. Whether or not the submarket it creates is big enough to support it is one question. It looks like they cut a lot of costs with propriety and we'll have to see if those cost benefits outweigh an initially smaller market. Of course if the market grows to significant size then with all these cost-cutting moves Apple will have pulled off another commercial success.

Notice I said "commercial success" for we won't know how theses tiny tubes stand up against the competition for a bit yet. And this is the second most critical factor is making a purchase decision. So it's like, how could anyone say yes yet?

Oh well, whatever... It looks cool to me! I wonder if they will come is color anodized candy colors like the old iMacs? :D
 

Mac Hammer Fan

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The Mac Pro mini is not for me. It lacks internal upgradebility and I am convinced it will be extremely expensive.
I keep my current Mac Pro.
 

nanofrog

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Heh, I can't understand anyone voting yes in this poll. We know very little about it including the most important element in almost everyones purchase decisions: Price. If you don't know how much it is haw can you say you would buy one? What it's a million dollars? Still worth it then? How about only $10K ?

See what I mean?

I like the system. It's an engineering feat! Less than 10 inches high and under 7 inches in diameter, wow! In fact it's so engineered that they may have engineered themselves right out of a market. Whether or not the submarket it creates is big enough to support it is one question. It looks like they cut a lot of costs with propriety and we'll have to see if those cost benefits outweigh an initially smaller market. Of course if the market grows to significant size then with all these cost-cutting moves Apple will have pulled off another commercial success.

Notice I said "commercial success" for we won't know how theses tiny tubes stand up against the competition for a bit yet. And this is the second most critical factor is making a purchase decision. So it's like, how could anyone say yes yet?

Oh well, whatever... It looks cool to me! I wonder if they will come is color anodized candy colors like the old iMacs? :D
Excellent points IMHO.

Both cost and performance (ROI) are figured into corporate (or I should say proper) purchase decisions by any business entity (from an independent to Fortune 100).

I suspect these things will be a bit on the expensive side, just for the initial tube. But keep in mind, that there will be a good chance that additional items would be needed (besides monitor/s), to get a suitable working solution. Storage in particular, which will add costs above and beyond the base model (or whatever CPU/GPU combinations available to chose from, or even SSD capacity, as now they really have users over a barrel).

Consider if someone might need a Promise Pegasus for storage, those start at $999. So it can get ugly fast, and worse, even the Pegasus units are a serious compromise IMHO, as they use consumer grade drives rather than enterprise grade to save on costs (not nearly as reliable this way, nor are these drives designed for the abuse RAID configurations generate to begin with).

As per performance, it remains to be seen. Currently, there are no 12 core processors in an LGA2011 package (current max is 8 cores due to 32nm process). Will need a die shrink to push it to 12 cores on a single die, which means Ivy Bridge Xeons, which haven't even been announced yet, let alone being manufactured (E5 series; note that out of all the P/N's listed, only 2 are currently shipping; max core count = 8 physical cores).

So sure, it may have fast processors available, but once outside of those, any expansion is achieved over TB ports, which even at TB gen. 2.0, is still attached to the system at 8x PCIe lanes, which are switched to all of the TB chips. Latency + switch latency will degenerate the performance vs. the ability to use a dedicated 8x lane PCIe slot.

Lots of compromise here, that will both increase costs to the user (not necessarily Apple, as I suspect this will generate an even higher gross margin for them if the sales numbers meet or exceed their targets), and decrease the performance vs. a more traditional design (box with PCIe slots & HDD bays).
 

kendall69

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Heh, I can't understand anyone voting yes in this poll. We know very little about it including the most important element in almost everyones purchase decisions: Price. If you don't know how much it is haw can you say you would buy one? What it's a million dollars? Still worth it then? How about only $10K ?

See what I mean?

I like the system. It's an engineering feat! Less than 10 inches high and under 7 inches in diameter, wow! In fact it's so engineered that they may have engineered themselves right out of a market. Whether or not the submarket it creates is big enough to support it is one question. It looks like they cut a lot of costs with propriety and we'll have to see if those cost benefits outweigh an initially smaller market. Of course if the market grows to significant size then with all these cost-cutting moves Apple will have pulled off another commercial success.

Notice I said "commercial success" for we won't know how theses tiny tubes stand up against the competition for a bit yet. And this is the second most critical factor is making a purchase decision. So it's like, how could anyone say yes yet?

Oh well, whatever... It looks cool to me! I wonder if they will come is color anodized candy colors like the old iMacs? :D
Ya lets form a cogent argument by saying "would you buy it for one million dollars" REALLY - and when exactly has anyone EVER sold a consumer product for one million dollars. Bottom Line Apple put the best they have in this system and it's the best most cutting edge product on the planet - THAT'S HOW you vote yes.
 

Tesselator

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Ya lets form a cogent argument by saying "would you buy it for one million dollars" REALLY - and when exactly has anyone EVER sold a consumer product for one million dollars. Bottom Line Apple put the best they have in this system and it's the best most cutting edge product on the planet - THAT'S HOW you vote yes.
Can you spell B-R-A-I-N-W-A-S-H-E-D? Define "best" in either sentence please. Best for who? What about it is "best"? And this sentence: "best most cutting edge product on the planet" is of course entirely false by anyone's standards. :)
 

Tesselator

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Excellent points IMHO.
Thanks bro!

Both cost and performance (ROI) are figured into corporate (or I should say proper) purchase decisions by any business entity (from an independent to Fortune 100).

I suspect these things will be a bit on the expensive side, just for the initial tube. But keep in mind, that there will be a good chance that additional items would be needed (besides monitor/s), to get a suitable working solution. Storage in particular, which will add costs above and beyond the base model (or whatever CPU/GPU combinations available to chose from, or even SSD capacity, as now they really have users over a barrel).
Yup, and that was obviously the overwhelming reasons they created a design like this. Cut costs and maximize profits. Part of maximizing profits comes from the sales of REQUIRED peripherals. It isn't simply that there's a "good chance" it's a requirement for pretty much anything other than surfing the web with this thing.



As per performance, it remains to be seen. Currently, there are no 12 core processors in an LGA2011 package (current max is 8 cores due to 32nm process). Will need a die shrink to push it to 12 cores on a single die, which means Ivy Bridge Xeons, which haven't even been announced yet, let alone being manufactured (E5 series; note that out of all the P/N's listed, only 2 are currently shipping; max core count = 8 physical cores).
I'd be willing to bet that they're talking about virtual cores (HT) and that this first version isn't strong enough to power and cool an 8-core chip. Thus the ad marker states "12 Cores" (6 real, 6 virtual). Just a guess tho. It could also mean that the first ones will only have 4, 6 or 8 and then later when parts become available a 12-core version will become available.

So sure, it may have fast processors available, but once outside of those, any expansion is achieved over TB ports, which even at TB gen. 2.0, is still attached to the system at 8x PCIe lanes, which are switched to all of the TB chips. Latency + switch latency will degenerate the performance vs. the ability to use a dedicated 8x lane PCIe slot.
Yeah I was really disappointed when I read "PCIe Expansion peripheral" but in looking saw only TB2 ports. :( It'll be OK for some stuff but this is NOT a professional spec.

Lots of compromise here, that will both increase costs to the user (not necessarily Apple, as I suspect this will generate an even higher gross margin for them if the sales numbers meet or exceed their targets), and decrease the performance vs. a more traditional design (box with PCIe slots & HDD bays).
Yup!
 

Derpage

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Doesn't the new form factor make reselling a bit of a pain? My understanding is most people buy used with their eyes set on upgrading over time. Seems like this form factor is a big kick in the nuts.
 

Oudinot

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Mar 16, 2013
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Lets see. We have a product that doesn't exist. A product that's not for sale. A product for which we know very little and a product that has no price. I think your survey is too early and a lot silly. :eek:
 

Nermal

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I would not buy it with the standard specs that have been advertised so far, but I'll wait and see what the BTO options are like before making a decision. It seems pretty obvious that things like the video cards won't be officially upgradable after purchase, but there may still be some BTO options (do we even know which FirePro model is in there by default?)
 

shinji

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The extra Thunderbolt ports would be great for expandability if there were reasonably priced Thunderbolt enclosures. Without that, you're spending more than you would have for storage if they had just kept the current chassis.
 

maxosx

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It's far too early to tell. Apple's ability to make anything look good during their carefully scripted presentations, clouds the ability to see what it's really all about.
 

liquid stereo

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Cost is very predictable

Like most previous "professional macs", it will cost between US $2,500 and $4,500, depending on configuration.

This was true on my PowerMac 7100, PowerMac G4, G5, and 8-core MacPro. Why will it change now? Its part of the design spec/bargain.

My only complaint is the relatively few cores. As someone who does a fair amount of MPI-based computing I was hoping for 16-32 cores.

Cheers :)


Heh, I can't understand anyone voting yes in this poll. We know very little about it including the most important element in almost everyones purchase decisions: Price. If you don't know how much it is haw can you say you would buy one? What it's a million dollars? Still worth it then? How about only $10K ?

See what I mean?

I like the system. It's an engineering feat! Less than 10 inches high and under 7 inches in diameter, wow! In fact it's so engineered that they may have engineered themselves right out of a market. Whether or not the submarket it creates is big enough to support it is one question. It looks like they cut a lot of costs with propriety and we'll have to see if those cost benefits outweigh an initially smaller market. Of course if the market grows to significant size then with all these cost-cutting moves Apple will have pulled off another commercial success.

Notice I said "commercial success" for we won't know how theses tiny tubes stand up against the competition for a bit yet. And this is the second most critical factor is making a purchase decision. So it's like, how could anyone say yes yet?

Oh well, whatever... It looks cool to me! I wonder if they will come is color anodized candy colors like the old iMacs? :D
 

Tesselator

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Like most previous "professional macs", it will cost between US $2,500 and $4,500, depending on configuration.

This was true on my PowerMac 7100, PowerMac G4, G5, and 8-core MacPro. Why will it change now? Its part of the design spec/bargain.
I suspect this is the case. But it's still an unknown until it's announced. Wouldn't it be nice if it was $1,600 for the base spec and $2,200 for the beefy mama... ;)
 

crjackson2134

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Just want to easily see in a poll who's yay or nay on the new Mac Pro.

Feel free to backup your choice/opinion by posting in here.

Personally i like the fact that it's smaller, but not at the cost of losing all expandability (unless external).
Not sure about temperature management either when everything's so tightly packed together.
Very curious as to what the price might be, but thinking it's going to be overpriced for what you're getting.

And keep it civil please, thank you.
Definitely not worth it for me no matter how it prices out, or specs. out. I suppose I'd take one to play with if it were given to me though :D
 

scottsjack

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Is it worth getting a new Mac Pro? Don't think so. It looks like yet another Apple computing appliance. One can do so much more with a conventional design.

Apple used to be about amazing design. Now it's just about weird design. Laptops too thin for an Ethernet port, a mini too thin for a dGPU, iMacs so thin that the SD card slot has to be located on the back. The loss of functionality due to design is stunning.

Only four USB ports on the mini, iMac and Mac Pro. Can you imagine buying a $3500 iMac and then having to get a USB hub? No thanks.

Two out of three of my Macs are ready to be replaced. I think I'm over my Apple Thing finally.
 

nanofrog

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Yup, and that was obviously the overwhelming reasons they created a design like this. Cut costs and maximize profits. Part of maximizing profits comes from the sales of REQUIRED peripherals. It isn't simply that there's a "good chance" it's a requirement for pretty much anything other than surfing the web with this thing.
I suspect they'll get more users on the SSD capacity on this one, as there's a lower chance that there will be 3rd party alternatives.

But they'll certainly take what they can get. :D

I'd be willing to bet that they're talking about virtual cores (HT) and that this first version isn't strong enough to power and cool an 8-core chip. Thus the ad marker states "12 Cores" (6 real, 6 virtual). Just a guess tho.
My suspicion as well ATM, but we'll have to wait and see about a delivery date to be certain.

Yeah I was really disappointed when I read "PCIe Expansion peripheral" but in looking saw only TB2 ports. :( It'll be OK for some stuff but this is NOT a professional spec.
Definitely a compromise vs. a traditional workstation, so I definitely see this as a cross-over product designed to try and lure the enthusiast users back over to Mac (those that refused to buy into an iMac).
 

philipma1957

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this is a headless gaming machine that can adopt to high storage with a promise pegasus thunder bolt r6.. It is pretty much what I have been wanting in a mac for 10 years.. But to a pro that renders it looks like a loser.
 

subsonix

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Heh, I can't understand anyone voting yes in this poll. We know very little about it including the most important element in almost everyones purchase decisions: Price.
Very good point, however the whole poll at this point is based on what we currently know. So, apply some reservation for change of opinion. :D
 

ActionableMango

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this is a headless gaming machine that can adopt to high storage with a promise pegasus thunder bolt r6.. It is pretty much what I have been wanting in a mac for 10 years.. But to a pro that renders it looks like a loser.
This doesn't look like a gaming machine to me at all. A gamer would want to replace those soldered-in Fire Pros and get a new GPU every year or so. Fire Pros themselves are way overpriced to only be used for gaming. Also, the state of Thunderbolt GPUs is pretty bad right now.