Does anyone else dislike Lion???

[Taz Mangus]

Me thinks that you confuse "fiddlers" with true power users. A true power user is not one who is going to delete system files or fiddle with registry cleaners etc.

The MAC is by definition NOT for a true power user in the business world. It works fine for those who want to fiddle with video, photographs and music and do not know how to cleanly install or uninstall software under Windows 7.

Windows 7 is a different world from Snow Leopard and Lion, designed for document collaboration amongst others. Have not yet found proper data warehouse or data mining software under MAC that works fine with a large data base in a commercial environment. OS X is an OS that is designed for stand alone and home use.

I genuinely tried it because I have some gripes with MSN too but it just won't run the stuff I need to do , the software just does not exist in OS X. At this moment windows 7 is the lesser of the two evils and hence I am doing everything to enable it to run as long as possible on my present platform. (Mac mini mid 2010)

So your definition of a power user is one who uses a Mac in a business situation. I write code for a living and use my Macs to do more than web surfing and I find Lion to be very stable; no kernel panics or freezes yet. So since I find Lion to be stable and since I do not use my Mac to run a business I guess that does not qualify me as a power user?

I find the new gestures in Lion to make my work flow more smoothly and I am able to get more done.

Today I needed to go through some items in finder and the new way that Lion can show you items "modified by date" made my work go a lot quicker. There are plenty more examples of Lion features like that.

There are bugs in Lion and I have found a few for which I have reported to Apple by opening a case. They have been annoying but not show stoppers. They will be fixed.

You make it sound like the world is ending because Lion has a few bugs. Have you made an effort to report the bugs you found in Lion to Apple?


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Its disappointing but i dont dislike it. I can see why it was the same price as SL. Feels more like a service pack than anything else. Not a big fan of mission control but there are some good features that i do prefer over SL

I wish people would stop using the term "service pack" in regard to Apple. Apple does not do service packs.

 

[TPadden]

....I wish people would stop using the term "service pack" in regard to Apple. Apple does not do service packs.

Give me a Semantic break - most people see "service pack" as a collection of improvements and bug fixes issued between complete OS changes. Apple most certainly issues them.

Guess next we'll be arguing whether Apple does "windows" .

 

[err404]

I find it funny that the two main complaints about Lion seem to be:
a) Not enough new features to justify a major release.
b) Too many new features that alter their previous workflow.

As for Bugs/Growing pains, not much is out of the ordinary for a major release. I think some people were spoiled by the SL launch which was unusually smooth due to the minor user facing changes.

 

[maflynn]

I find it funny that the two main complaints about Lion seem to be:
a) Not enough new features to justify a major release.
b) Too many new features that alter their previous workflow.

As for Bugs/Growing pains, not much is out of the ordinary for a major release. I think some people were spoiled by the SL launch which was unusually smooth due to the minor user facing changes.

While I haven't seen a lot of threads, most of the current ones don't mentioned option A. Initially when apple first announced Lion and teased us with some features, I'd say yeah. Many people (including me) didn't think the change list was sufficient for a major upgrade.

Once 10.7 was released and we saw what was changed, that argument was moot.

As for option B, I'd agree with a twist. Its not that the new features altered previous workflow but rather it altered it making things less efficient. Some of the stuff is definitely a step back.

There's also UI changes that don't alter one's workflow but it does impact ease of use. Smaller buttons flat/gray objects like Safari's back/forward buttons.

 

[slieu92]

thank you maflynn! the lost efficiency from spaces to mission pad. glad i'm not the only one.

 

[InuNacho]

I love playing "hide and seek the windows" with Mission Control.

 

[me_94501]

I still have Lion running on my Core i3 iMac, but after using it for over a month I took it off my MacBook tonight and reverted to 10.6.8. Lion has its annoyances, and I think it really needed more time in the oven, so to speak, but ultimately it was performance issues that lead me to downgrade. I have no clue why, but it ran horribly on my Core 2 Duo MacBook compared to Snow Leopard. I'll wait and see how 10.7.2 or 10.7.3 pan out before I consider reinstalling it...

 

[(marc)]

I have no clue why, but it ran horribly on my Core 2 Duo MacBook compared to Snow Leopard.

This. SL is way smoother.

 

[yanksrock100]

only thing i don't like is saving, its difficult. my family will use my laptop, and try to save, then be freaked out because there is no save option, and nothing happens when you "save a version" (something happens, just not like, on the screen)

 

[whiteonline]

Wow. I'm glad I decided to get my first Mac after Lion was released.
I installed SL to see what all the fuss was about; actually found it cumbersome compared to Lion -- the gestures, mission control and app expose have become natural parts of my workflow (though, not a fan of Launchpad -- too touch-screeny)

This time, the grass is finally greener on my side....

 

[me_94501]

Wow. I'm glad I decided to get my first Mac after Lion was released.
I installed SL to see what all the fuss was about; actually found it cumbersome compared to Lion -- the gestures, mission control and app expose have become natural parts of my workflow (though, not a fan of Launchpad -- too touch-screeny)

This time, the grass is finally greener on my side....

I think Lion's changes are less of an issue if you're new to that Mac. If you have years upon years of ingrained Mac habits and workflows, though, it can take a bit of adjustment.

 

[Aquaporin]

I really miss Rosetta and iSync out of all the changes.

 

[wcrov]

Looks like Apple started to use Microsoft's tactic to release unfinished products to their customers...

Lion is definitely full of bugs!!!

 

[MartiNZ]

I said I was done posting here as I'm no longer a Lion user, but this just needs a +1. After a couple of weeks almost 100% started up in Windows 7 on my MBP I restarted into Lion today at work, and within minutes I was sighing at all the damn annoyances it brought with it .

SL and every damn iteration before it were fine. But Lion has added so much that I can't turn off - that I really want to turn off - that Windows is where it is at now. The only thing that annoyed me about it in the last few weeks was this morning when it claimed not to know how to open an EPS file, and Preview.app was my easiest option for fixing that. Everything else just swims in W7 as it did in SL.

Until I can turn off/change:
• Resume
• Autosave/versions
• Ugly scrollbars
• Resize anywhere (seriously messes up trying to click background apps)
• Ugly iCal/Address Book
• Mission Control (give me Exposé back, thanks, I even liked SL's changes to it, unlike most)
• B/Wness of sidebar icons
• Ugly Mail favourites bar having to show up for searches
• Being locked from deleting things in Finder

... among others. This is not the OS I'm looking for. I'm thinking about going for an early '11 MBP just because it is the last that will be able to go SL, but I assume they too will ship with Lion now, and it seems like it is a PITA to revert and ditch the recovery partition .

Oh and the EPS thing, now Lion totally confuses me yet again courtesy of autosave/versions. "Another application made changes to this document...." with options "Undo change" and "Duplicate" - and I have no idea what either of them will do because they certainly don't do what they say, no visible files are created or changed.

Control. You don't know what you've got till it's gone.

 

[sidewinder]

I said I was done posting here as I'm no longer a Lion user, but this just needs a +1. After a couple of weeks almost 100% started up in Windows 7 on my MBP I restarted into Lion today at work, and within minutes I was sighing at all the damn annoyances it brought with it .

SL and every damn iteration before it were fine. But Lion has added so much that I can't turn off - that I really want to turn off - that Windows is where it is at now. The only thing that annoyed me about it in the last few weeks was this morning when it claimed not to know how to open an EPS file, and Preview.app was my easiest option for fixing that. Everything else just swims in W7 as it did in SL.

Until I can turn off/change:
• Resume
• Autosave/versions
• Ugly scrollbars
• Resize anywhere (seriously messes up trying to click background apps)
• Ugly iCal/Address Book
• Mission Control (give me Exposé back, thanks, I even liked SL's changes to it, unlike most)
• B/Wness of sidebar icons
• Ugly Mail favourites bar having to show up for searches
• Being locked from deleting things in Finder

... among others. This is not the OS I'm looking for. I'm thinking about going for an early '11 MBP just because it is the last that will be able to go SL, but I assume they too will ship with Lion now, and it seems like it is a PITA to revert and ditch the recovery partition .

Oh and the EPS thing, now Lion totally confuses me yet again courtesy of autosave/versions. "Another application made changes to this document...." with options "Undo change" and "Duplicate" - and I have no idea what either of them will do because they certainly don't do what they say, no visible files are created or changed.

Control. You don't know what you've got till it's gone.

Whine, whine, whine.......do you want some cheese with that?

Look, you are in the minority. I find Lion just as stable and more powerful than Snow Leopard. So do many others. Get used to it, stick with Snow Leopard, or stop whining and switch to Windows 7....

S-

 

[Badrottie]

one thing I know why Steve Jobs quit as CEO is because he is NOT happy with Lion 10.7!! He get away from buggy, problems, and unstable OSX!

 

[MartiNZ]

Whine, whine, whine.......do you want some cheese with that?

Look, you are in the minority. I find Lion just as stable and more powerful than Snow Leopard. So do many others. Get used to it, stick with Snow Leopard, or stop whining and switch to Windows 7....

S-

Glad I came back it was worth it just to annoy you one last time. Please don't say I didn't warn you all. And as you might have gathered, way ahead of you.

Getting used to it is not an option. There is no whining, you clearly misunderstand the word.

 

[mrmister]

"Whine, whine, whine.......do you want some cheese with that?

Look, you are in the minority."

How soon we forget--ten years ago Windows folks said the same thing to Mac people to get them to **** and lump it.

 

[UltraNEO*]

Looks like Apple started to use Microsoft's tactic to release unfinished products to their customers...

Lion is definitely full of bugs!!!

Nope... Apple has been releasing and selling beta operating systems since System 7 or maybe further (never used System 6)!!!
I think if you read Apple's EULA, there's a clause for it.

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You realize that 99 percent of what you said is either A. easily fixable with a simple trip to the settings or terminal. B. A little learning curve, which I can tell right now you are not able to handle change.

Maybe your right, I dunno, I've deleted Lion and trashed it, was only £20.... and ever since then I've no issues what so ever!!
(using Linux now.. Open Source FTW!)

IF by what you said is true, how come there are soo many threads posted on this forum and communities like this one all over the internet from users like myself whom dislike different aspects of Lion??? Are they having issues with change too?

 

[hayesk]

Many of the things complained about can be changed such as locking of files, and opening windows on relaunch of apps. One theme I'm seeing is that the biggest complainers about Lion are complaining about change.

Listen people, you should have figured this out years ago - Apple is going to continue to improve the OS. Sometimes this means making big changes to your workflow. If you aren't willing to give it a try and see if it improves your workflow in the long run, then that's fine, don't. But that doesn't indicate a flaw in the OS because you didn't give it an honest try.

And if you do give it an honest try and don't like it, complain away and state why you can't subscribe with Apple's new workflow. But at least make sure you understand the feature before doing so. For example, I saw one person on a different forum swear up and down that Apple has no business auto-locking his files, and said that alone was making him switch to Windows. He didn't even think to ask if it could be turned off he was so angry. The fact is, you can turn it off. He just wanted to be mad at Apple instead of actually see if Lion would be better or not. I'm seeing some of that line of thinking here too.

 

[UltraNEO*]

Many of the things complained about can be changed such as locking of files, and opening windows on relaunch of apps. One theme I'm seeing is that the biggest complainers about Lion are complaining about change.

Listen people, you should have figured this out years ago - Apple is going to continue to improve the OS. Sometimes this means making big changes to your workflow. If you aren't willing to give it a try and see if it improves your workflow in the long run, then that's fine, don't. But that doesn't indicate a flaw in the OS because you didn't give it an honest try.

And if you do give it an honest try and don't like it, complain away and state why you can't subscribe with Apple's new workflow. But at least make sure you understand the feature before doing so. For example, I saw one person on a different forum swear up and down that Apple has no business auto-locking his files, and said that alone was making him switch to Windows. He didn't even think to ask if it could be turned off he was so angry. The fact is, you can turn it off. He just wanted to be mad at Apple instead of actually see if Lion would be better or not. I'm seeing some of that line of thinking here too.

Nice example ...

Yep I've tried it for a while, in general the OS was pretty good, fairly stable, liked the majority of changes and the little touches here and there they we're great!!

The thing that PI55ED ME OFF the most was the fact it disabled my Linux partition, added a recovery partition all without asking!!! Surely that's my computer and NOT apples? Anyway, after some careful consideration, I just wiped the entire drive and install Linux on there.. it was the OS I used most of the time... My workstation still runs SL for now & my PC win7.

Over the years I've being using Macs (since System 7) Apple have done some interesting things in it's history, I've grown to like them, not instantly however, some changes took a while others where just ignored as they integrated seemly into my 'work-flow'. Then again, back then My Macs weren't for work, they're simply lavish toys given to me to keep me outta trouble...

 

[colourfastt]

I found my new (late April) iMac was getting slower and slower with Lion, so I upgraded from 10.7 to 10.6.

 

[CmdrLaForge]

Most of the new features can be turned off (which I did). I dislike most the new spaces. What I like most is the new mail.app. I don't want to go back.

 

[SolarYoda]

I dislike Apple OS X. I used a MacBook Pro, 2012 version with Mavericks/Mountain Lion for nearly a year and have switched back to PC. I can't believe how easy it is to create files in folders, shift files around, get organised, and find files without OS X's clunky file management design. Shockingly bad, and so sad because Mac machines are just so beautiful. Apple OS X is the most overrated system ever. Windows 7 or 8 wins hands down for features AND ease of use AND design. Anyone thinking of switching to Mac from PC, don't do it. This is from nearly a year's worth of frustration with the horrible interface. Don't get me started on the Dock. I hope Mac is listening because they've lost this user due to failure to improve.