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Yesterdays conference was the most arrogant display I have ever seen. For one, all the features shown for OSX Yosemite do not qualify for a "next gen update" these features should have been in OSX 10.9.4 Mavericks. As for iOS 8, the WORST software update ever. iOS 8 displayed zero features that also qualify to be a part of a major software update. Like the features of Yosemite, the iOS 8 features should have been announced last year for iOS 7. Apple is slowing becoming the laziest,uninovative fortune 500 company on the planet starting with the iPhone 5S and the embarrassing iPhone 5C. Regardless of a 4.7 and 5.5" screen, after experiencing the WWDC arrogance conference, the iPhone announcement will be exactly the same as the iPhone 5S with no changes except a larger screen size.

That is EXACTLY the opinion that I am trying to get across.
There is not enough for the end user that allows this to qualify for a major update, it should have just been iOS 7.2.
 
Although they are good features, they all require other devices in order to be fully, or even at all, functional.
Continuity: Only works with Mac, running Yosemite.
Homekit: Must have special, iOS optimised homewares
HealthKit: Must have special, iOS optimised health accessories.

I take it you don't understand the concept of an ecosystem....

As for the underlined, you've got to be joking right? WHY and HOW would apple want to make continuity, a feature that clearly makes apple's product ecosystem more cohesive than anything you'll be able to do on Windows going forward, available for everyone else?

You realize it's based on Bluetooth, and to make it work on windows apple would have to waste an amazing amount of time to support the gigantic range of bluetooth controllers that are out there.

These are benefits that can only be implemented when a company has the integration between software and hardware that Apple has. No other device maker has this kind of vision.
 
I love iOS 8. I think it's amazing how I can now answer calls on my Mac and can see text messages on all of my devices. iCloud Drive is going to be great, now I won't need to use Dropbox as much or at all. QuickType should be helpful.
 
Do you spend the majority of your time using the OS itself, or the majority of time using apps?

Giving developers more to play with will make apps better.

Can you see how this will benefit the end user?

A lot of developer features IS something to be excited about.

I guess the answer would be using the OS as a whole, obviously mainly the built in apps (namely Messages, Camera, Safari), thus I would have liked to see (personally) more features added to the stock applications etc.

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I love iOS 8. I think it's amazing how I can now answer calls on my Mac and can see text messages on all of my devices. iCloud Drive is going to be great, now I won't need to use Dropbox as much or at all. QuickType should be helpful.

That's a fair enough point, but I started this as a personal opinion thread, and as someone using Windows 8 and an iPhone 5, those features don't apply to me.
iCloud Drive could be useful, but I guess I don't know until I have tried it.
I personally do not like the idea of QuickType, imo it will only take me longer (probably because I am a fast typer :p )
 
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I'm not a developer, but I got the feeling the main idea is to open up iOS and give developers more control, and by extension it'll really make the platform shine.

Akin to Android, actually, but rather than stupidly claim that Apple is afraid of Android or whatever, I think Apple is adjusting and that's always a good thing - iOS needs to stop being a walled garden and now developers will have more frameworks to play with to use Healthkit and Homekit and Metal and everything else.

While it was totally dev-centric (but hey, WWDC is a developer conference), this sets the table for a great update when iOS 8 and iOS 8-optimize apps will come out in the Fall.
 
I guess the answer would be using the OS as a whole, obviously mainly the built in apps (namely Messages, Camera, Safari), thus I would have liked to see (personally) more features added to the stock applications etc.

All of those built-in apps you named got new features.

Did you want more features or did you just pick some bad examples? :p
 
That is EXACTLY the opinion that I am trying to get across.
There is not enough for the end user that allows this to qualify for a major update, it should have just been iOS 7.2.

So, basically, you are going all in with the crazy. Wow. There was not a single rational sentence in the post that you endorsed.
 
I didn't read all the comments.

and surely some have said this already. But...Apple only gives away so much info about the new iOS at WWDC. They hold back some cool stuff and some new iPhone exclusive stuff for September.

I don't know how much more or what else to expect. some things noted here seem just "OK" to me and had they done those things i would have shrugged my shoulders. I like some of the things and expect more to show up later.
 
All of those built-in apps you named got new features.

Did you want more features or did you just pick some bad examples? :p

Bad examples :p

So, basically, you are going all in with the crazy. Wow. There was not a single rational sentence in the post that you endorsed.

He is basically, as I understood it, trying to get across that there are not nearly enough features in order to justify a full iOS interval upgrade (From 7.0 to 8.0), but in fact it should have been a more minor upgrade (eg from 7.0 to 7.1)
 
You all need to calm down a bit .. It's becoming slightly tense in here.

I would like to take this opportunity to mention that I have reached the peak of my maturity so my opinions are fact, and would also like to refer you to the following video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qNXuPAZNVo

This bloke is amazing and gives very unbiased views - he described himself as feeling "underwhelmed" following the announcements.

Listen to both him and I, we know about this kind of stuff and aren't fanboys; you lot don't.
 
He is basically, as I understood it, trying to get across that there are not nearly enough features in order to justify a full iOS interval upgrade (From 7.0 to 8.0), but in fact it should have been a more minor upgrade (eg from 7.0 to 7.1)

Which is a completely irrational argument. As I said before, 4,000 new APIs and hundreds of new features is more than enough to justify a major upgrade when compared to previous iOS updates. Why would a company make massive API changes in a minor update?

And the post you endorsed was even more ridiculous than your paraphrase of it.
 
i am disappointed. the only features i am excited about are keyboards, and iCloud photos. nothing else interests me. i don't see a reason to update. i'll just get an iPhone 6 that has it, and eh, oh well.
 
He is basically, as I understood it, trying to get across that there are not nearly enough features in order to justify a full iOS interval upgrade (From 7.0 to 8.0), but in fact it should have been a more minor upgrade (eg from 7.0 to 7.1)

Features that have the potential to massively change how the OS is used:

- Widgets
- Third party keyboards
- Plugins
- Extensible share sheets

There are some quite large changes here to how apps will be able to communicate with each other. Even though they're not much in themselves, they will allow much more powerful apps.

This update to me is one of, if not the biggest, and most exciting updates to iOS since it first came out.
 
It's too early for me to know if iOS8 is a letdown.

My only wish/expectation for iOS8 was to be a cleaner (code-wise), leaner (more code optimization), and meaner (more bugs squashed) version of iOS7.

Since Apple "forced" me to move up to iOS7 (due to the need to pick up security fixes), I just want my iPad 4 to be as snappy and peppy as it was under 6.x. Maybe it is unrealistic and unreasonable, but that's what I'd like.
 
Um, don't just ignore me all of you.

As I said, I have now reached the peak of my maturity and my opinions are now FACT (ie. no argument).

The scale of my knowledge and expertise is extensive; I know about all of this, you don't.
 
Yesterdays conference was the most arrogant display I have ever seen. For one, all the features shown for OSX Yosemite do not qualify for a "next gen update" these features should have been in OSX 10.9.4 Mavericks. As for iOS 8, the WORST software update ever. iOS 8 displayed zero features that also qualify to be a part of a major software update.

I assume you had the same opinion about Android KitKat. Kitkat to my experience has been largely indistinguishable from Jelly Bean except for some cosmetic changes and increased battery drain.
 
Which is a completely irrational argument. As I said before, 4,000 new APIs and hundreds of new features is more than enough to justify a major upgrade when compared to previous iOS updates. Why would a company make massive API changes in a minor update?

And the post you endorsed was even more ridiculous than your paraphrase of it.

I just mean that in terms of user features, as I keep repeating, I do not think there was enough to justify a major update. I think that a major update should consist of a balance of new features for developers and immediate ones for users, and that here there was a serious imbalance, as there were too many features for devs compared to standard users.
Again, this is just personal opinion and it is inevitable that some may agree and some may not.


i am disappointed. the only features i am excited about are keyboards, and iCloud photos. nothing else interests me. i don't see a reason to update. i'll just get an iPhone 6 that has it, and eh, oh well.

Keyboards will be nice I guess, I have never used Swype for example but have heard good things, at least they are beginning to open it up a little.
I don't see the difference between this photos thing and Photo Stream personally, but then again I never used Photo Stream to begin with.
 
Honestly? In my opinion there isn't anything spectacular about it. I have it on my iPad (Yes, i know its a beta) and besides a few tweaks to messaging there really isn't anything that new about it. These kind of things are so minuscule the fact that apple makes a huge deal about them it pretty nuts (At least for end users, developers may be happier with the new additions). 10.10 on the other hand is pretty cool.
 
Features that have the potential to massively change how the OS is used:

- Widgets
- Third party keyboards
- Plugins
- Extensible share sheets

There are some quite large changes here to how apps will be able to communicate with each other. Even though they're not much in themselves, they will allow much more powerful apps.

This update to me is one of, if not the biggest, and most exciting updates to iOS since it first came out.

Yeah, exactly. Seems some folks don't care about new functionality or efficiency though, they just want to be able to have custom boot logos and text message colors.
 
It's too early for me to know if iOS8 is a letdown.

My only wish/expectation for iOS8 was to be a cleaner (code-wise), leaner (more code optimization), and meaner (more bugs squashed) version of iOS7.

Since Apple "forced" me to move up to iOS7 (due to the need to pick up security fixes), I just want my iPad 4 to be as snappy and peppy as it was under 6.x. Maybe it is unrealistic and unreasonable, but that's what I'd like.

But surely for that sort of update, with no/few new features, it should only warrant a 7.x update, not a jump from 7.x to 8.x?

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Honestly? In my opinion there isn't anything spectacular about it. I have it on my iPad (Yes, i know its a beta) and besides a few tweaks to messaging there really isn't anything that new about it. These kind of things are so minuscule the fact that apple makes a huge deal about them it pretty nuts (At least for end users, developers may be happier with the new additions). 10.10 on the other hand is pretty cool.

Exactly, they have seriously bigged up even just the tiniest additions, and it seems to me like quite a few people have been brainwashed by their wording.
Chances are they spent more time on wording the website and their keynote than they did designing/adding these new things.



Yeah, exactly. Seems some folks don't care about new functionality or efficiency though, they just want to be able to have custom boot logos and text message colors.

Forget about the boot logos etc., I was just using random examples to try and make a point that maybe some new, interesting, and possibly just gimmicky, features would have been nice.
 
Exactly, they have seriously bigged up even just the tiniest additions, and it seems to me like quite a few people have been brainwashed by their wording.
Chances are they spent more time on wording the website and their keynote than they did designing/adding these new things.


And the photo's app...I can't comprehend how this feature gets pushed to next year? Seems like one of the easier modifications.
 
Going through the Apple iOS 8 Page:

"Photos.
Every photo you take. Now on all your devices." = Photo Stream?

"Messages.
Actually LOL. OL." = Voice Memos, just integrated, and sending a photo/video, again just integrated.

"Details make the experience. These details make it brilliant." = Ok, some of these are pretty useful. But after spending a considerable about of time slagging off Android, they went and copied some of their stuff? EG Widgets.

"Our smartest keyboard ever." = Copying Android entirely... And in my opinion that stuff about choosing wording in different situations probably won't work, or won't be that useful.

"iCloud Drive.
Any kind of file.
On all your devices." = Useful, but only really a small extension to the current iCloud capabilities

"Health.
An entirely new way to use your health and fitness information." = Some parts useful (EG Emergency Card), but the rest is only any good if you have other, compatible accessories.

"Spotlight.
Brighter than ever." = Useful, but late.

I think you're forgetting that Apple had Widgets long before iOS or Android was even out.
 
Right, you're all going to be quiet and make way for me - Monsieur Mature.

The update was ****. Geekanoids said so, I say so: everyone says so.

NO features for the end-user, it was only developer **** which was introduced.

This will improve the OS experience marginally over time, but all this bollocks about "console-quality graphics" is wrong - we were promised this at the iPhone 5 launch (http://www.edge-online.com/news/iphone-5-revealed-full-console-quality-graphics-promised/) and I have seen crap all difference. Nothing has changed, believe me.

They added iCloud Drive; a DropBox rip off that you lot already have. But no, THIS TIME, it's made by... APPLE. So therefore, it must be several times more innovative and better than DropBox.

No. It's all the same ****.

There were several few other tweaks, like Apple trying to pass of Photo Stream as a brand new feature by saying that photos can be shared across all devices - we have this already people...

The rest of the "tweaks and enhancements" have been ported straight from Android. They have taken what's worked in Android, and thrown it onto the iPhone.

King of Innovation? Nope, just good at copying other ideas that have worked.

You lot are so delusional it's unbelievable; it's so minor but yet, everyone is going out and saying "OMG ITS GONNA BE SO GREAT SO LOOKING FORWARD TO IT"

No.

I will return to Lata's dungeon now. Goodbye :).
 
I assume you had the same opinion about Android KitKat. Kitkat to my experience has been largely indistinguishable from Jelly Bean except for some cosmetic changes and increased battery drain.

You guessed right. While Android 4.4.3 does nothing from Android 4.3, Samsung's Touchwiz 4.4.3 added some interesting features to my Note III that were shown on the NotePro 12.2.
 
Bootlogo changes? Are you serious? And nobody needs pattern passcodes, this year every iOS device will get TouchID.

So funny how people doesn't understand that iOS 8 is huge. And not because of some new features like quick reply, etc. but because of so many new possibilities for developers. Wait till you see what now can be done.. ;)

iOS 8 is the Windows 7 to iOS 7's Windows Vista.

If you look at iOS 8 as a whole, it is 20 times better than iOS 6.
 
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