Does *anyone* hate their Mac?

[niter]

For a time, I was rather anti Mac. Well, I just would look at them longingly. I was longing for them to have right click. Prior to OS X, I really could not fit them in my life. Too many issues that forced me to stay on the PC side. I remember rushing to the library every week for my hourly slot on the Black and White Macintosh when I was a child, I remember the intrigue of them while I served as literary magazine editor in High School...but in undergraduate, despite the campus being 99.9% Apple, they did not fit in well. To many issues.

But OS X is so lovely and I am thrilled to think how many die hard PC'ers will change over.

Everytime I think of myself as a switcher, I remember that first Mac I played on. So really, I am a wayward Apple user who has returned

 

[ChrisH3677]

a simple example to show the prevalent design philosophies of Apple and MS....

Visit their websites.

Apple: Clean, clear, easy to use and not overloaded
MS: Cluttered, messy, difficultt to use and overloaded

I switched 108 days ago. It took until the 107th day to really see the light and say i am a Mac convert. Hence starting this thread.

I waited 19 years for my first Mac. When I got it the first thing I did was.. well... I hugged it ok.

Then I went thru the somewhat difficult learning (unlearning?) curve of being a switcher.

Eventually I decided that all said and done, it was still just a computer.

Until the last few days.

It all just fell into place. Mac users enjoy using their computers, Windows users don't.

Another test. Compare iCal to the only 2 Windoze equivalents (i know of): Mozilla Calendar and WinDates. Especially look at the complex windows for creating events. or even just the overall look of them.

No wonder Windoze users don't like using their software - it doesn't even look good, let alone be easy to use.


ps Funnily, just to reinforce my conversion, this morning the woman I car pool with subjected me to at least 10 mins about how her PC wouldn't do what it was supposed to and how much she hates them.

 

[coopdog]

I still have my real first mac. A G4 350. It runs GREAT under Panther. I have never had and hard drive problems. Unlike my PC which took all day to clean the HD and install everything back. After 3 months the comp was so bogged down by spyware, adware, pointless files and just MS crap I had to start over. It took all ****ing day too.

The thing I hate about XP is the ****ING registry. I HATE IT!!! You can't move files, delete, swap, backup fies, because of the registry keys! It's so annoying to have to uninstall programs, even freeware, unlike the mac just delete, move your apps where ever.

After the Clean install of XP today, Norton Antivirus ran Another nice thing about XP. Well it scaned over 40,000 files! 40,000 files just for the OS?! All I can say is what the ****?! Yeah that's a well built OS. Oh, I got to go defrag my HD.

Winboxes might be faster than the G5 but untill there is 10.3 for PC, Macs rule.

 

[blue&whiteman]

Originally posted by coopdog Winboxes might be faster than the G5 but untill there is 10.3 for PC, Macs rule.

I wouldn't care if PC's were 100,000,000,000,000,000,000 times faster. They are still PC's

 

[leet1]

Originally posted by ChrisH3677

It all just fell into place. Mac users enjoy using their computers, Windows users don't.

Don't generalize like that. I love using my computers


edit: I ...not We...lol

 

[Counterfit]

You and your edits

 

[leet1]

bleh, lol typos

 

[FuzzyBallz]

Originally posted by revenuee
These days the only people that hate mac that i personally know are the people that don't use them ...

they tell me the they break ... i tell them the quote i have in my SIG

"the mac is idiot proof. If you can break it, it proves your an idiot."

That usually shuts them up

Heh, if that sig you so proudly made up is true, then why do you suppose there are some many help me posts in this forum? Are you implying all the people who ask for questions relating to problems regarding their idiot proof Apple computer are idiots? Hmmm... Who knows, maybe I'm wrong. I mean, after all, I am a computer user who has both a self built PC and dual G4 running Panther. If you're not hardcore, you're not a true Apple fanatic right?

Originally posted by ChrisH3677 a simple example to show the prevalent design philosophies of Apple and MS....

Visit their websites.

Apple: Clean, clear, easy to use and not overloaded
MS: Cluttered, messy, difficultt to use and overloaded

Microsoft doesn't make PC computers, which proofs Gates' ego is still smaller than Jobs'. Maybe one day Gates can buy the PC trade mark, ban people from using it and call all the computers The Microsoft System. Until that day, get your fact straight.

 

[big]

hate my Mac, I used to hate my B&W G3, trying to run 10.1.... now that thign is gone and I have a verrrry sweeet PB & lovin' it

 

[7on]

lol, I remember watching the cube commercial a long time ago and wanting "one of those computers." Naturally I didn't have the money (nor a reason) to get one until college. So it was a long wait, but worth it. I realized that I hate neither the PC or the Mac. Though I do remember having headaches all the time with the PC... whereas the only headache I get from the mac is staring at the screen too long (though I have been, for a few months, leaving my crt and LCD brightness turned down thus limiting my eye induced headaches)

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by FuzzyBallz
Microsoft doesn't make PC computers, which proofs Gates' ego is still smaller than Jobs'. Maybe one day Gates can buy the PC trade mark, ban people from using it and call all the computers The Microsoft System. Until that day, get your fact straight.

How does MS making only software prove, disprove, or in any way relate to the size of Gates' ego? And, in general, how do the products that a company makes relate to the ego size of said companies' founder and/or current head?

I'm also unsure as what facts you are telling ChrisH3677 to get straight. He was merely sharing his personal opinions and experiences. Granted it seems to be a shared opinion in the computing community at large that Apple offers superior design, both industrial and graphical, than most hardware and software companies, but it is still a subjective call which makes it far from factual.


Lethal

 

[ChrisH3677]

Thanks LethalWolfe.

FuzzyBallz, MS do make hardware and actually do it pretty well. But I was in no way meaning to compare Apple and MS on hardware.

Design doesn't just apply to hardware.

I was comparing OS and software. Given MS is best known for this, I didn't think to make that clear.

So when you compare OSX to XP or Apple software to MS, eg iMovie to MovieMaker, Safari to IE, Mail to Outlook Express, Keynote to Powerpoint, or generally any Apple software to any MS software (on Windows), Apple rightly has an industry wide reputation for a better designed OS and better designed software. I read plenty of PC magazines and when they do look at OSX or Apple software (eg Final Cut), they usually rate them very highly.


Leet1, true it is a generalization, but one I'm happy to standby, especially for non-techies.

I had a PC support business for a few years, and the slogan on my business card was:
"People are not computer illiterate, computers are people illiterate."

Why? because I was so often encountering people beating themselves up for being computer illiterate, when most of the the time it was because of poorly designed Windows or software on it.

I reckon Apple are still a long way ahead of MS in making a people literate OS.

 

[benixau]

MS hardware and their mac drivers are some of, if not the best in their class.

I use a simple MS Wireless Optical Mouse - two + clickable scroll and the thing can be configured so neatly that its truly amazing what can be done when the drivers are good.

MS Software - well - i think they model the size of the code from gate's net worth - a 2:1 model.

MS makes good software when everything is taken into account - they run on a hellofa lot more configs and machine than OSX does. Office is decent - slow, yess- but decent while excel is frighteningly powerful.

MS is not a bad company or software manufacturer - they are just not a good one either by OUR standards.

If I ever hear you knock MS hardware without photographic of videographic evidence ………………………

 

[yellow]

I hate bubble iMacs. Low quality parts, total pieces of &*$#@.

 

[neoelectronaut]

Simply, read http://www.xvsxp.com:

It tells you WHY OS X is a better OS.

 

[oldschool]

i hated my performa...not the os on it...but the stupid computer itself...it was slower than my LCIII. STUPID COMPUTER!!!!


I love every other mac i had tho

 

[ChrisH3677]

spot on Benixau.

in fact, i reckon MS may even do hardware better than they do software!

But the standout MS software and/or OS for mine are:

- Publisher (Is there any equivalent on OSX?)
- Excel

 

[Powerbook G5]

Until Apple comes out with a redesigned Appleworks, Microsoft will still remain the primary office suite I use, too. I love Apple's software, but Appleworks just plain sucks.

 

[blue&whiteman]

I know sevral pc users that try office on my mac and think its far better. funny that the maker of windows makes better sw for mac than they do for their own os

 

[whooleytoo]

Originally posted by cubist
The B&W G3 may well be the most reliable computer ever made. I'd like to see a survey sometime.

Yup, that's my old Mac (which I still have). I didn't think it was up to running OSX, until Panther came along. Super machine!

 

[whooleytoo]

Personally, the only time I've hated a Mac was when doing a project on a 7600 with MacOSX 7.6, used to bomb six or seven times a day! Even a clean reinstall wouldn't fix it; probably a dud component, even though the RAM was Apple installed.

I know a few people who hate the Mac though, a classmate in university hated Macs because they didn't have a "#" symbol on the keyboard - which is used quite a bit in C programming. It might sound daft, but if you don't know Key Caps is the application you're looking for, or where to find it...

 

[blue&whiteman]

you can get a sonnet G4/500 upgrade for it now for only 200. it gave mine a new lease on life. osx runs far better on it now. my xbench scores with all the upgrades listed in my signature is faster than many digital audio powermac G4's.

i'm speaking of the b&w not the 7600

 

[Spock]

Originally posted by blue&whiteman
I had a performa 6400/180 before my blue and white. printed fine. never any problems at all really. it was stolen from me my aunt felt so bad for me that she helped me buy my new one. this was summer 99 so I got the 350MHz Blue G3 Rev. 2 and am still using it. this is by far the best computer I have owned. so reliable that it has been on 24/7 since summer 99 and only ever shut down to put in the upgraded components listed in my sig. never had one problem with it that wasn't my fault.

I hate my Blue, It won't even turn on and can't figure out why

 

[blue&whiteman]

I bet its a bad logic board. too bad you have this problem as the blue and white are known for being very reliable. mine has never once given me grief.

 

[ewinemiller]

I used to

I did in the pre-OSX days. I had a bondi blue and spent more time pushing the little pin hole reboot it because it locked up. Hardly ever got the chance to turn it off the normal way. It was constantly locking up, couldn't multitask well, everytime I tried to copy a file across the network the machine would be completely unresponsive until it finished, it couldn't have more than one IP address at the same time (so no dialing in and also being connected to the local network at the same time), etc., etc. It was a terrible example of the Mac platform when I was using NT and then Windows 2000 on the other side. I am completely amazed when I see folks who still long for the OS9ish days, I don't think they remember what it was like.

Now that OS X is relatively mature and has fixed all those problems, I think I'm pretty platform agnostic. I like things about both, and nothing particularly bothers me about either.