crdean1 said:
Yes, and read "A ready defense" by Josh McDowell and "A case for Christ" by Lee Stroebel. Both set out to disprove the Bible, and both became believers because of the overwhelming evidence that proves the Bible. I am not sure how you can disprove, or anyone can for that matter that the story of Jesus and the prostitute did not happen (by the way you wrote it, I am assuming you were there?). I believe it most certainly did happen. I derive my information from the Bible, not a non-believing scholar (obviously). Furthermore, I've not read where Yale and Harvard are the leading Theology schools of today. Let's try Luther's teachings if you want to really look at a scholar. Let's look at Oxford, or some of the seminaries.
It all boils down to us being on two different pages, and I will not post again here as this is the wrong forum for our discussion (and the fact that we could discuss this all day and not get anywhere). I do respect the right for your opinion, albeit misinformed.🙂
Edit: Most Christian Scholars believe Jesus was born in April, can you believe it!
>> You want to use Stroebel as your defense??? Stroebel..the Brittany Spears of Christianity? He did go to Yale..Law School. Don't get me wrong..i think Brittany is a hottie. Stroebel is not remotely a scholar or in the same league as Pagels, King and others. At least he seems sincere though. Josh McDowell is even worse. That's a joke. His books can barely even claim a pretense(!) of scholarship. You are entitled to enjoy what you wish...just be clear...you are NOT reading scholars...by ANY definition. Regarding the story of Jesus and the prostitute...that is blind faith i'm afraid. It did not happen. One could argue..it doesn't matter...as it serves to demonstrate Jesus' teachings, etc... but it did not, in fact, happen. Your premise..that one must be physically present to verify every event in history only reveals the weakness of your view. Don't dance...make an argument. Think on your own two feet. The story of Jesus and the prostitute was originally written in the margins by the scribes (as MUCH was by the way)...but clearly you would rather not know that, because you see it as challenging Jesus' legitimacy and your faith in him. I can promise you...these theologians (and I) are not in a conspiracy to destroy your faith in Jesus..quite the opposite!!! This puts me in a difficult position...do I simply wish you well on your journey..and be "nice"...or ....
I derive my information from the Bible, not a non-believing scholar (obviously).
>> Here you reveal what i was "smelling" all along. These scholars are indeed believers in Jesus..dedicating their lives to studying his teachings and its history...though probably not according to you...since they won't simply accept the Christian history based on blind faith. Do you consider yourself a fundamentalist...or "born-again"...or evangelical Christian???...because ONLY a fundamentalist would say "obviously"...when it ain't obvious in the least and your assumption is flat out wrong. Now please prove me wrong....
Furthermore, I've not read where Yale and Harvard are the leading Theology schools of today. Let's try Luther's teachings if you want to really look at a scholar. Let's look at Oxford, or some of the seminaries.
>> Indeed..let's! If McDowell and Stroebel are your references...you do not want to argue about seminaries, Oxford, etc. Yale..Harvard...well, try getting into one of those schools. It will become clear...i promise. Luther the anti-semetic! Hey... Luther was very courageous and I applaud him in many ways, but let's not make him a saint either. He NEVER intended much of the social impact of his writings posted on the wall of the Church that fateful day. His OWN writings prove this. Read them.
It all boils down to us being on two different pages, and I will not post again here as this is the wrong forum for our discussion (and the fact that we could discuss this all day and not get anywhere). I do respect the right for your opinion, albeit misinformed.
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>> i agree wholeheartedly.
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peace
