Does anyone think Jobs set up Phil for failure

Discussion in 'Apple, Inc and Tech Industry' started by bigjnyc, Jan 7, 2009.

  1. bigjnyc macrumors 603


    Apr 10, 2008
    I know alot of you guys here idolize Steve Jobs and any negative speak about him hurts your feelings but for everyone else....

    Do you think Steve Jobs being the ego-maniac that he is set Phil up to do this god-awful keynote? since he knew there wasnt going to be anything great introduced?

    surely he didnt want to go out there knowing that this keynote would be subpar....

    I think that if there was going to be a new mac mini, iphone nano, iMac refresh or something else exciting or revolutionary introduced we would have seen a skinny frail Steve Jobs up there giving the keynote.
  2. edesignuk Moderator emeritus


    Mar 25, 2002
    London, England
    No I don't, because it would be utterly stupid in every sense.

    I think it was weak because they're abandoning MacWorld as a platform, products will come out through out the year.
  3. nick9191 macrumors 68040

    Feb 17, 2008
    Because hardware refreshes are revolutionary and exciting. Negligible real world speed difference over old model? Ooh I am hot just thinking about it.

    I loved Macworld, people need to get out of this hardware obsession. It is, always has been, always will be software that is important. In the future, hardware will be nothing, everything even down to the OS will be done and processed in the cloud and all computers will be cheap, small and low powered.

    If you want to know when the iMacs, Mac Minis and Mac Pros will be updated, I will guess that Apple will hold a "Spotlight turns to desktops" event like they did for notebooks, some time in February or March.
  4. bigjnyc thread starter macrumors 603


    Apr 10, 2008
    yeah you're absolutely right. silly me i must be the only person who saw the keynote yesterday and was dissapointed by the boring nature of software presentation. I was also the only person who was dissapointed to not see any hardware. :rolleyes:

    because Apple is an awesome company and whatever they do is great, they can do no wrong in anyone's eyes. *hands you back your glass of Kool-aid*
  5. olternaut macrumors 6502a

    Dec 10, 2007
    No I don't think so. He picked him for the job because he knew he could handle it. All in all Phil did a great job at the keynote. Its only the fact that there were no really great product announcements to speak of that there are any negative opinions of the show.
    The products that they did have at the show though were all solid and impressive.......but few and ultimately boring.
  6. PowerFullMac macrumors 601


    Oct 16, 2006
    It's because they want to release their new products themselves (via their own events) which was the whole point of them pulling out of MacWorld in the first place.
  7. stevo8 macrumors 6502

    Jul 3, 2007
    I think Phil did a great job. Sure he didn't have anything epic to give us but that doesn't reflect HIS performance. Did he fail? I don't think so, apple just failed at living up to the hype that's all. Hopefully they will "make it up to us" in the near future. Steve and company know what they need to do better then anyone else, I highly doubt there's anyone here that will bring them something they haven't already considered. It's always east to be a critic from a distance.
  8. Blue Velvet Moderator emeritus

    Jul 4, 2004

    Steve: Hey Phil, I'm not feeling too great. My specialists want to change my medication and I'm going to spend some time with my family.

    Phil: Sure thing. I'll do the keynote, it's our final one and we don't have a lot to talk about.

    Steve: Thanks Phil. Help yourself to one of these organic fruit bars.

    Ergo, conspiracy.
  9. ~Shard~ macrumors P6


    Jun 4, 2003
    Exactly. It would be rather hypocritical of Apple to pull out of trade shows, citing their decreasing lack of relevance as well as Apple's desire to release products on their own schedule, and then turn around and blow their load with a ton of amazing announcements at the very event they are trying to downplay and exit. Think about it people. :cool:
  10. dalvin200 macrumors 68040

    Mar 24, 2006
    Nottingham, UK
    LOL!! you're twisted ;) but i did actually think something similar after the keynote ended!! but then i was like.. nahhhhhhhh

    totally agree... and well put
  11. Peace macrumors Core


    Apr 1, 2005
    Space--The ONLY Frontier
    This is all correct I think. This also means since Steve said he would be back in shape by spring we will see the new iMac and Mini at a future keynote. One that hopefully is hosted by Steve.

    Maybe February or March ?
  12. Unspeaked macrumors 68020


    Dec 29, 2003
    West Coast
    I think the first draft of Phil's speech (obviously the same one Andy Ihnatko got a hold of) was full of things like a MacMini update, the iPhone Nano, Mac OS X for Intel boxes, PowerBook G5, etc.

    Thinking this would be the keynote to end all keynotes, Mr. Schiller eagerly agreed to present.

    Then, when he finally got on stage yesterday morning, the teleprompter and slides in no way coincided with what he'd previously been told, and he knew he'd been had!
  13. ~Shard~ macrumors P6


    Jun 4, 2003
    Exactly - Steve Jobs is one sneaky bastard... :D ;)
  14. Leeloo the 5th macrumors member

    Leeloo the 5th

    Apr 17, 2005
    Talking about Phil, could someone tell, just out of curiosity, from where his accent is? I've never been to the US or anything, I just know that when I hear him, it's not the American English I'm used to hear.... if that makes any sense... ;)
  15. maxrobertson macrumors 6502a

    Jun 15, 2006
    What was so bad about the Keynote? I thought it was fine.

    Also, LeeLoo, there are many, many different dialects of American English. Southern drawl, midwestern anti-accent, Rhode Island's horrible accent, the overly-perky Valley Girl from California and the African-American dialect only to name a few.
  16. PlaceofDis macrumors Core

    Jan 6, 2004
    haha. lets get out the tin foil...

    seriously. this wasnt a set up for failure. but a setup to show how the trade show venue just isnt working for apple.
  17. bigjnyc thread starter macrumors 603


    Apr 10, 2008
    I dont necessarily think phil did a bad job, but you know when ever any experts write about the keynot or customers comment about it, they aren't going to say oh phil's presentation was great. They are going to say the products introduced were lackluster and boring.... this opinion of course is a product of the hype and expectations.

    I also dont think it was a conspiracy but all i think is that Steve was willing to pass this one off on phil because there was nothing great or groundbreaking being introduced. I just simply think that if there was a great product being unveiled that was going to grab headlines, Steve Jobs would have been doing the Keynote. I'm sure he may look ill but he is not dying to the point where he can't give a 1 hour presentation.
  18. Leeloo the 5th macrumors member

    Leeloo the 5th

    Apr 17, 2005
    Yes, I know there are, I was wondering if someone could tell me which one Phil's is. (I'm sure it must be pretty recognisable for a US resident...)
  19. synth3tik macrumors 68040


    Oct 11, 2006
    Minneapolis, MN
    Why would Steve set Phil up to fail? Wouldn't that just be setting Apple up to fail?
  20. rhett7660 macrumors G4


    Jan 9, 2008
    Sunny, Southern California

    And then you wonder why you get answers the way you do. :rolleyes:
  21. rdowns macrumors Penryn


    Jul 11, 2003
    I find this a ridiculous assertion. Jobs has no shame, the man held an event for the iPod Hifi, for christ's sake.
  22. themoonisdown09 macrumors 601


    Nov 19, 2007
    Georgia, USA
    Did anyone on here buy one of these?
  23. coupdetat macrumors 6502

    Jul 11, 2008
    Did anyone buy one of these... at all?
  24. Wild-Bill macrumors 68030


    Jan 10, 2007
    I'm gonna have to go ahead and soft of disagree with you there.....

    Since it was Apple's FINAL MacWorld EVER, they should have gone out strong. The MacWorld keynotes became synonymous with breakthrough product releases, and were the unveiling point of some of Apple's most innovative products. Instead of going out with a bang, they went out with a whimper, enough of one to even have news organizations report as much. When the biggest story to come out of a MacWorld keynote (besides MR getting hacked) was non-DRM iTunes. I think that alone speaks to the sub-standard quality of the keynote.
  25. Pixellated macrumors 65816

    Apr 1, 2008
    We did! *looks around empty room*

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