does apple sell refurbished as new?

Discussion in 'Mac mini' started by kc2ine, Aug 16, 2012.

  1. kc2ine macrumors member

    Aug 15, 2012
    just curious, because the second mac mini I got had wrinkled seal and some small scratches on cover film. Then when I took off ram cover I noticed finger print on fan plastic...(I bought from BHPhoto but I guess they got directly from apple)
  2. robbieduncan Moderator emeritus


    Jul 24, 2002
  3. GGJstudios macrumors Westmere


    May 16, 2008
    No, Apple doesn't sell refurbished products as new. What BHPhoto does is another matter.

    • Apple Certified Refurbished Products are only available from the Apple Refurb Store and are not sold by any 3rd party or local Apple stores
    • Educational discounts do not apply to refurb products.
    • Refurb products come with the same warranty as new products, and qualify for AppleCare
    • Refurb products have a changed serial number that identifies them as refurbished
    • Refurb products come with whatever OS version and software they originally shipped with as new
    • Refurb products come with the same items in the box as new products, only the box is a plain one, not the new box.
    • A refurb product could have some cosmetic signs of prior use, but rarely do
    • A refurb Mac may have some cycles on the battery, but not a significant enough amount to affect usable life
    • The refurb store inventory changes frequently, sometimes several times a day, and doesn't have any direct relation to upcoming product releases. What's available in the refurb store is determined by what has been returned to Apple.
    • If you're looking for a particular item, can alert you when it becomes available.
  4. philipma1957 macrumors 603


    Apr 13, 2010
    Howell, New Jersey

    my guess is you are lying not likely, but possible or BH Photo shrink wrapped it. Was this mini stock or did it have extra ram?

    it is possible that BH photo added the extra ram and packaged it as new.

    you should check the serial number right away.

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  5. kc2ine thread starter macrumors member

    Aug 15, 2012
    ok, thanks - will check it.

    just not too happy about it - first had loose screw, second this.
  6. philipma1957 macrumors 603


    Apr 13, 2010
    Howell, New Jersey
  7. old-wiz macrumors G3

    Mar 26, 2008
    West Suburban Boston Ma
    Your experience makes me determined not to buy Apple stuff from 3rd parties, even authorized resellers.

    Just wondering if BHPhoto is just another one of those dubious "camera" shops in NYC that practices dirty selling tactics?
  8. 0007776 Suspended


    Jul 11, 2006
    They are usually pretty reliable, I haven't bought computers from them, but all the camera gear that I bought tends to be reasonably priced and comes quickly.
  9. GGJstudios macrumors Westmere


    May 16, 2008
    While I'm sure some resellers are fine, this is why I prefer buying Apple products directly from Apple.
  10. evo3rs macrumors newbie

    Jun 12, 2010
    Los Angeles
    I've heard BHPhoto were selling Canon 5D3 and Nikon D800 with high shutter counts as brand new. Just get it replaced if you feel it's not brand new.
  11. philipma1957 macrumors 603


    Apr 13, 2010
    Howell, New Jersey
    I could be negative about bhphoto, but instead I will say is the only manhattan NYC based store that is truly really good.

    What you can do is get some smartware reader and see how many hours are on the hdd. It should have very few. Under 10 hours.

    Did you buy an upgraded version better hdd or more ram?
  12. Omnius macrumors 6502a

    Jul 23, 2012
    When in NYC, go to the apple stores or order online. A number of camera shops do sell computers and computer parts. Some of those shops have dubious reputations. It's like anything else when you're a new yorker. Trust nobody because half the city is out to scam you and the other half is clueless.
  13. thekev macrumors 604


    Aug 5, 2010
    Bleh.. B+H has an excellent reputation, and if you need help, need to return something, etc. it's not difficult to get a real person on the line.

    That surprises me. I know they have a return policy with digital cameras that indicates must not have over X shutter count. it's something like a couple hundred frames or less, but you can find it on their site. Their policies are clearly stated on everything. I've had issues with a couple of the others in terms of conditions/descriptions. The only real issues I recall with B+H were trying to get them to stop sending me printed catalogs when I always ordered from the site (the waste of paper makes me angry) and they complained about not being able to verify my address once even though I had ordered from the same address for a couple years.

    Search this site for B+H. Plenty of people on here buy stuff from them.
  14. kc2ine thread starter macrumors member

    Aug 15, 2012

    you would be wrong here, I have bought previously from apple the ipad 3g and had exactly the same issue. The item didn't seem to be brand new.
  15. GoreVidal macrumors 6502a


    Jun 19, 2011
    That being said, bought several refurbed Mac Minis that all looked like new.
  16. kc2ine thread starter macrumors member

    Aug 15, 2012
    I guess am not alone here:

    Even from Apple store you have no proper QC guaranteed.
  17. davidinva macrumors 6502a

    Mar 29, 2009
    Shenandoah Valley of Virginia, USA
    From shopper experience on the camera forms, B & H is considered probably the best "camera" shops in NYC. They sell all types of electronics and their customer service is rated as tops. But, I agree, by Apple from Apple if possible.
  18. Ice Dragon macrumors 6502a

    Ice Dragon

    Jun 16, 2009
    I got my mini from Best Buy and have had no problems.
  19. henryp macrumors member


    Dec 31, 2007
    New York, NY
    B&H only sells new Apple products as new. That's one reason our return policy says "No Return/Exchange On Computers, Software and Hardware once any of the manufacturer's packaging has been opened."

    I cannot ID you or this transaction from the information available here. Feel free to email me and I'll see what there is to see.

    We are not, but don't take my word for it. says we're 9.78/10 with 6900+ reviews during the past 6 months.

    Not only is this entirely untrue I think repeating unbelievable nonsense like this is deplorable and irresponsible rumor-mongering.

    If there's some issue you're dissatisfied about I'd be happy to try to repair it if possible.

    Thank you.

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