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does mac os x suffer from piracy

I downloaded pirated copies of iWork and MS Office 2004. I am using office 2004, but never installed iWork.

When Leopard comes, I'll try to make a deal with Apple. I am planning to buy a MacBook and an iMac. I'll try to persuade them to install a multi-user leopard in one so I can use it for my MBP. I am OK in paying less than 100 pound for the upgrade. If they refused, then I'll use the leopard's CDs coming with the iMac in the MBP. It it doesn't work, then I'll download a pirated copy and install it in the MBP.
 
Max Payne said:
I downloaded pirated copies of iWork and MS Office 2004. I am using office 2004, but never installed iWork.

When Leopard comes, I'll try to make a deal with Apple. I am planning to buy a MacBook and an iMac. I'll try to persuade them to install a multi-user leopard in one so I can use it for my MBP. I am OK in paying less than 100 pound for the upgrade. If they refused, then I'll use the leopard's CDs coming with the iMac in the MBP. It it doesn't work, then I'll download a pirated copy and install it in the MBP.
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yikes.. you sure say that with much comfort
 
dpaanlka said:
yikes.. you sure say that with much comfort
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I come from a place (originally) where you can hardly find a genuine software. If the software is there, then it will most probably be worth fortune. i.e. instead of around $200-300 for MS Office 2003, it will be $500. MacBooks also cost more than $1500 for the basic version. I guess it's normal for me to use pirated software because genuine software doesn't exist + I can buy another low end PC with that money.

WhenI used to use a PC, I never bought software, I am not ashamed to say so. They don't respect the consumer or protect his right so why would I be any better with them.

Why would I buy 3 Leopard OS for my 3 apple hardware? Why doesn't able allow us to buy their hardware without their OS? I think I have the right to ask what I want bundled with the hardware I buy.

If I buy a Macbook and an iMac without leopard then I will most probably get at least $200 discount. I can then use that money to buy a multi-user leopard and install it in 10 Macs.

Much better, right?!
 
dr_lha said:
Sure they could. Apple trusts you. Its rare in the software industry, so please don't make them change their minds!
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Umm, it has nothing to do with 'trust' or 'morals.' Apple is a business like any other. They simply made a business decision to not charge for the OS since what they make on the OS is small potatoes compared to what they make off the hardware. I dare say pirating OS X may even help Apple since users would be encouraged to upgrade their hardware to take advantage of new OS features like CoreAnimation, iChat AV, FrontRow, BootCamp, etc.
 
Apple makes their money on the hardware, and figure most people with the jack to buy that hardware, are probably not going to get cheap when it comes to buying a great OS for it.

Microsoft, on the other hand, doesn't make PC's.. the only way they make a dime is if people pay for the OS.. which is why they're concerned about making sure you actually bought the OS.

'Locking' the copy of the OS to the hardware is just another anti-piracy method. If they 'lock' your registration key to a specific hardware configuration, it makes it tough for you to let your buddy 'borrow' your copy of Windows and install it on his computer.

I personally feel that people should be paid for their work. If they go thru the financial expense of developing the OS or software, they deserve to be paid. No question in my mind on that.

But on the same token, I think if a person buys an OS, or piece of software, they should be able to install it on every computer they own if they want.. just so long as they're only using it at one place at a time.

For instance, if a person has a desktop and a laptop.. I don't see why the person should have to buy two copies of an OS or Application if they're not using both at the same time (aside from transferring data back and forth)
 
Apparently, there is some form of protection within the OSX install disks that come with a new Mac. I have tried to install Tiger on some older computers of mine with the OS install disk that came with a new Mac I bought, and I get a dialog box saying that it can't install on that computer. It appears to know which hardware it goes with, but not always.

I know that some software (such as TechTool Pro) has key auth. code protection, but still will look across your local network to see if it is also installed on your other computers, and if it is, it won't let you install it, presumably looking for matching serial numbers or codes. Does a purchased Mac OS install do anything like that?
 
ctone said:
Apparently, there is some form of protection within the OSX install disks that come with a new Mac. I have tried to install Tiger on some older computers of mine with the OS install disk that came with a new Mac I bought, and I get a dialog box saying that it can't install on that computer. It appears to know which hardware it goes with, but not always.
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The restore DVD you get with a new machine is a very different animal to the retail ones in the shop. It is only licensed for the machine it came with and will only boot on a machine with the same overall gestalt ID (so a MBP DVD will boot on any MBP but not on an iMac for example). The retail copies of OSX do not have this "feature".
 
As a developer I enjoy paying for good shareware. The latest ones I've bought are SpeedDownload and BeerToolsPro!

I did buy copies of MS Office for Mac and Windows for $25 each with the government/military home use policy. Talk about a pretty sweet deal...

I can't wait for Leopard...I'll use my edu discount or maybe get it sent from the Apple Developer Connection (not sure if they will send it for free or not...)
 
dynamicv said:
Yes they could. Apple have historically relied on their userbase having the morals to buy their own OS updates rather than just use someone else's copy.
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BS

i have to use an dongle with Logic Pro 7
funnily enough logic never had to be used with a dongle before apple took it over

usb locks suck!
 
adrianblaine said:
Technically, it is very easy to pirate OS X. But the kicker is, you have to be running it on Apple hardware anyway.
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thats is also BS


its easy to crack that code too.

and this is the reason I would use PC hardware if i didn't have a conscience, i dont like Mac hardware
 
jonutarr said:
BS

funnily enough logic never had to be used with a dongle before apple took it over

usb locks suck!
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Err... I have an emagic USB key from before the Apple purchase. In fact, I think the only reason that they still use one is because it's built into the program. Otherwise, we'd see the other expensive Pro apps with similar protection schemes.
 
dynamicv said:
Apple have historically relied on their userbase having the morals to buy their own OS updates rather than just use someone else's copy.
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jonutarr said:
BS

i have to use an dongle with Logic Pro 7
funnily enough logic never had to be used with a dongle before apple took it over
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Nice. Maybe now I've emphasised the relevant part of my post, you can see the idiocy in yours.

Or has Logic Pro become an OS now? :rolleyes:
 
Marble said:
Err... I have an emagic USB key from before the Apple purchase. In fact, I think the only reason that they still use one is because it's built into the program. Otherwise, we'd see the other expensive Pro apps with similar protection schemes.
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well shut my mouth!

dynamicv said:
Nice. Maybe now I've emphasised the relevant part of my post, you can see the idiocy in yours.

Or has Logic Pro become an OS now? :rolleyes:
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An operating system (OS) is a computer program that manages the hardware and software resources of a computer
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That describes Logic pro 7 perfectly!

who's that dumbass now?
 
jonutarr said:
That describes Logic pro 7 perfectly!

who's that dumbass now?
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May I point you to the System Requirements section on the Logic Pro Tech Specs page? Specifically the bit where it says Requires "Mac OS X v10.4.3 or later for PowerPC-based systems; Mac OS X v10.4.4 or later for Intel-based systems"?

Keep digging that hole mate. Does MS-Word equal Windows in your world too?
 
Apple offers the OS Upgrades so cheaply with a student discount that I honestly can't justify myself pirating it for use on 3 different macs in my house, as there'll be three macs that want the OS upgrade.

The family pack is such a wonderful deal that I honestly would happily pay for it when Leopard comes out. I mean, I've never bought an OS in my life (Usually because they've come with the computers my family has bought over the years).

I mean, I've installed OSX on my iMac with my brother's iBook install CD. But considering that OSX updates are usually quite notable, and I'll be going two versions up (10.3 to 10.5), I'm sure to notice quite a difference. I'm sure I probably won't update again until like 10.7 (Tabby Cat? Tapdancing Circus Puma?), but still, a couple of hundred bucks every few years is peanuts.
 
dynamicv said:
May I point you to the System Requirements section on the Logic Pro Tech Specs page? Specifically the bit where it says Requires "Mac OS X v10.4.3 or later for PowerPC-based systems; Mac OS X v10.4.4 or later for Intel-based systems"?
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for windows to run on a Mac it requres bootcamp or something simmilar
does that make it any less an OS ?

& i own LP7 mate, i accually use it and know what its does, im not some wanker who just gets all his info off the apple webpage

go back to your ape enclosure you stupid hippy,
im going hunting :)
 
jonutarr said:
FFS :rolleyes:

"it" refering to windows
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Oh I got that. Let me enlighten you. Boot Camp sits on top of the EFI Firmware inside every Intel Mac and emulates a BIOS, the older firmware standard that Windows requires. Boot Camp itself just translates hardware and system calls from Windows (the OS) to the Mac hardware. It does not control access to that hardware or process the requests from the Windows applications and processes. Windows itself does that.

Logic does not directly control any hardware. It sits on top of OSX and requests access to the hardware resources through OSX. Whether a MIDI signal, a screen redraw, an XCode call for parallel processing or even just wanting to use the local processor or memory in the Mac, it needs to request that access from OSX. Without OSX it cannot do it.

Logic is not an Operating System just because you the user use it to talk to lots of music hardware. Everything it does has to be piped through the Operating System.
 
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