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iPhone 12 Pro Does ’s new on device CSAM policy affect your decision to upgrade?

Doesn’t affect my choice to upgrade and stick with Apple one bit. I’ll be going from a 256gb iPhone 12 Pro to a 128gb 13 mini. The pro photographer in me didn’t come out last year so I’m looking more forward to a more comfortable form factor for 2021, and with the MagSafe battery now I don’t care as much about the mini’s low battery life.
 
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swarlos said:
I’m still reserving my final thoughts, I most likely will be updating to the iPhone 13 Pro.

I have to say the reactions may be blown out of proportion simply because it’s .



Yeah let’s not get the thread shut down LOL.

Just curious about others upgrade plans.
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Will definitely hold off on updating to iOS15 and Monterey for as long as possible. I just want to piss Apple off over CSAM (even though I’m a shareholder and I know they don’t care) 😄

No iPhone upgrade this year but that was as planned. Unfortunately, I do need that damned M1X MacBook—so I hope it ships with Big Sur.

I do think the CSAM stuff tarnishes their brand, though. It makes me question their actual commitment to privacy. Trust takes a long time to build and only a moment to break.
 
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swarlos said:
Very good points!

Yeah I do love the continuity between all my devices and there is literally no equivalent for the  watch in the Android realm.

It would be so hard to switch. Ugh. Even though I’m liking the look of Android 12.
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And that’s why Apple has you!!
In any case turn off iCloud photos (Apple said they wouldn’t scan you iPhone and I’m sure people will put pictures up to see if Apple is telling the truth)
Next any explicit pictures should be removed and stored on a flash drive)
 
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And that’s why Apple has you!!
In any case turn off iCloud photos (Apple said they wouldn’t scan you iPhone and I’m sure people will put pictures up to see if Apple is telling the truth)
Next any explicit pictures should be removed and stored on a flash drive)
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Oh they’ve had me for a long time! LOL.

The smartwatch situation on Android is so atrocious that it makes hard to even think about switching.
 
As I switched to Android two years ago upgrading an iPhone is not an issue for me. But this new policy has confirmed to me that Apple run by Cook is not the sort of entity I wish to give money or support to in any way, shape or form. I had already cancelled Apple Music and iCloud due to quality and performance issues.
 
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no. dropbox, google, Microsoft..all have been doing that in the cloud for years, some of them even checking your movie files for movie downloads.

I am also pretty sure they will also start soon to check offline folders by you, everyone will start doing it.

but I am also from a country where CSAM will not be activated (for now). so...eh.
 
If Apple goes ahead with this as they announced, I'm out. I have been a fairly solid Mac user since 1985. No more updates past what is deployed currently and I'll be looking at the Framework laptop and some other phone like the F(x)tec Pro¹.

Too bad, since I had a fairly full Apple ecosystem and I've evangelized their systems in the past, and I really liked my M1 Macbook Pro. Now I'll be advocating against this idiocy. Probably 50+ Macbooks and current iOS devices between my family and siblings.

My other iOS/MacOS using friends all said the same thing, and we didn't even discuss this issue in detail with each other before saying, "that's enough." We vote with our wallets.
 
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No.
(Not because I´m not worried or support Apple in their decision, but just realising there is not an alternative. Where Apple heads now, the others are since months).
 
swarlos said:
Basically the question is in the title y’all.

I would have created a poll but I’m using Tapatalk.

I’m on the fence whether this would sway me over the dark side but usually after  adopts something the whole tech world usually jumps on board or it blows up in the mainstream if it had already been done on Android.

I would just be leery of giving up my  watch and having to switch over to Android.

I also thought I would never say this but I did switch I would most likely get the Pixel 6
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Hey OP you can add a poll if you want.

As for me, I’m not extremely concern about this because I don’t use iCloud Photos, I have always worked with local libraries for my photos. So I’ll be getting the last iPhone mini Apple will ever release: the iPhone 13 mini.

However, if this eventually spreads to messages and other apps content... I’ll consider seriously updating. I will try to hold on my iPhone 13 mini on whatever version is still supported without this “legal spyware”, and then, when I see myself forced to update (on iOS 16, 17, 18, I don’t know), I will ditch the entire ecosystem and look for a good smartphone with Calyx or LineageOS
 
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rui no onna said:
What's the battery life impact of all that scanning on devices/chipsets without the Neural Engine?

I'm not a fan of Safari on the 15 Betas anyway so it's looking like just more reasons to stick to 14.

If Apples rolls out the feature to 14? So be it. iCloud Photos is too convenient to give up. Let's hope the chances of false positives is really as low as Apple claims and the mechanism isn't abused for other things.
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It's scanning in iCloud, not on device as I understand it.
 
Nope, no upgrade for me. In fact, my own research group is down the hall from our security research group who consult for several governments and agencies across the globe and it looks like no one there will upgrade at this point. I guess this is where the line is drawn. Scan in the cloud, not on device, problem solved.
 
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Will this impact your decision to upgrade?

Yes absolutely.

I have nothing to worry about in regards to the illegal content. I have no sympathy for the many thousands of people who will be caught by this new dragnet. Many probably deserve to be in the hands of the authorities. However I can't support a company that would do this.

This is a huge paradigm shift, to proactively scan your private files, and then have a mechanism to report you to authorities. It is a huge violation of trust, that they would criminalize their users. I consider it an over the top smack in the face, especially after their marketing exercise on being the privacy focused software company.

I have read all of the articles, and there is nothing anyone can say about the safeguards in place that this will not instantly be exploited as a mass surveillance tool. This is just a generation one implementation, how much more of your private life will they begin to scan for objectionable content, and who gets to decide what is objectionable?

This shattered all notions of privacy I had from Apple, and I will not be buying any iphones in the future.

My local files, are not for the manufacturer of my device to scan, and apply their opinion on.
 
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I do take privacy seriously, but I am still not in the camp that the features as Apple has described them are a threat to privacy yet. Your iPhone has been scanning your photos for content for years now: if I go to my Photos library and do a search for "bird" I get many results, that's because the iPhone applied AI to them. If I identify a face as [person X] then the phone offers up other faces that might also be [person X]. I do note that searches on the same terms run on my iPhone and on my Mac yield similar but not exactly equal results, so I'm inferring the results of these searches are not uploaded to iCloud for syncing.

I'm reminded of the recent frameworks Apple and Google did for contact tracing for Covid-19 exposure. I thought that was a neat solution that did its darndest to protect our privacy while meeting an important need. This feels the same to me.

I understand the implications of the potential misuse of this tech, and I'm confident that Apple understands them, too. But I can turn off iCL at any time and go and delete all the photos there, if need be. With the features as announced, I don't think my plans to purchase in iPhone 13-family upgrade will change.
 
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