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alongdingdong

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Ok hear me out, i know i have a weird angle looking at this, but it is one to consider.

Apple still sells the AW3 new in 2022. It probably will be permanently shelved with the introduction of the AW8 and then the AW4/5/6/7 will become the cheapest option for the next few years.

Is it ok to assume that Apple considers the AW3 hardware and performance acceptable as a apple product to be sold to consumers even after 5 years being on the market and 4(almost 5) newer versions had hit the market.

The more i look at Apple the more i think they deem the AW3 a good product 5 years later, so i stretch this idea and say the last 4/5 apple watch releases had incremental upgrades (which they were) and were not significant enough to entirely replace the AW3.

By still selling the AW3 in 2022 by apple themselves they sort of undermine newer releases, and how i see it now, their incremental upgrades are not as significant as we deem to see it as consumers buying into the marketing of apple.

EGC, AOD, fast charging, yes all very good incremental upgrades, but if the SE is the "budget" version of the current state of the art AW7, where does this leave the AW3?

I wonder now if the AW has a actual cycle of 5 years, and IF you are on a budget and/or wants to buy the next big AW you need to get the AW8 Pro (what ever they name it) and then wait the next 5 years for the next big release.

Reason for saying this as the AW3 will be no longer supported with OS9 as i understood, thus apple sells a product till the very last moment and then dump it to the archives for retirement.

I understand, different incomes, needs, desires, reasons to upgrade AW yearly/2 years etc but i try to understand the Apple philosophy behind this product.

How do you see this? I think Apple uses a 5 year product cycle and then releases a new major hardware/software overhaul on which they work for the following 5 years with incremental upgrades.

And thus i think if you want the best bang for buck and the best product from apple possible is timing your purchase in terms of the AW, so in this case the AW7 is the best of the best of this generation and the AW8 is kind of the guinni pig of version AW12, and dare i say it even a stripped down version of what the AW12 will become, by design of apple and not so much a yearly new technology/invention is being added to the next itteration of the AW release but rather a spread out full product in a 5 year plan.
 
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Jackbequickly

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Apple wants you on a 1 year cycle! Impractical for many but I know my battery performance decreases after one year on my series 7. I can not imagine what the battery performance would look like in 5 years.
 

alongdingdong

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That is a good point, given the small battery in the AW and the limited amount of cycles it can handle, it might not be a product that could be used for 5 years or longer.

My AW4 is after almost 4 years at 81% i do think i may get a 5th year out of it with some tricks and basically little use outside some important stuff i need it for.

My current AW is already configured to do as little as possible as i am afraid the battery is drained by the time i need to record a training session, i also no longer wear it in the shower/swim with it in fears the waterproofing seal has degraded and i don`t want to ruin my AW by water damage.

How much is your AW7 battery life now? curious to see how much it degrades, as there might be a difference between AW models, as yours have fast charging and AOD and the vo2 monitor.
 

krezimax1975

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I think SE will remain the cheapest. and the ruler will look like SE-8-8Pro
and I still don’t know how many years my watch will last - this year I bought myself an AW for the first time and this is SE - the cheapest of the current ones. try to see if it makes sense in AW for me. there's a meaning . I'll wait for SE2
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alongdingdong

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The SE is great but it is a slight upgraded AW4 that is just renamed, i got 4 years out of my AW in september and realistically a 5th year as well albeit probably being a bit more dodgy in terms of battery uptime during the day.
 

jz0309

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AW is on the “cycle” you want it to be, there are folks here who upgrade every year and others keep it it for 3, 4+ years.
Look at the features that a new model offers, and if you think that it is worth it to you get it, otherwise don’t.
Just like with almost all computing electronics nowadays, people upgrade less frequent than they used to
 

1rottenapple

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I just want a silver watch for fashion purposes lol that my logic but I think I’ll buy used given the prices of Apple Watch premium edition drops like a rock after a year.
 

mittencuh

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AW is on the “cycle” you want it to be, there are folks here who upgrade every year and others keep it it for 3, 4+ years.
Look at the features that a new model offers, and if you think that it is worth it to you get it, otherwise don’t.
Just like with almost all computing electronics nowadays, people upgrade less frequent than they used to

This. I just got a Series 2 for free, my first AW, and it works surprisingly well.
 

Mania89

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AW is on the “cycle” you want it to be, there are folks here who upgrade every year and others keep it it for 3, 4+ years.
Look at the features that a new model offers, and if you think that it is worth it to you get it, otherwise don’t.
Just like with almost all computing electronics nowadays, people upgrade less frequent than they used to

Agreed. Personally I think an upgrade once every 2-3 years is perfect.
 

MacCheetah3

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My SE’s battery health is at ~88%. It has only recently reached the point where it can’t absolutely span two days without charging. However, I don’t wear it while sleeping and it only requires about one-and-a-half hours to recharge a completely drained battery. So, even if the only time you had to charge the watch was during a shower/bath, there wouldn’t be much need to worry about downtime (i.e. without).
 

Graham Caracas

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For the money you spend on AW's over the years you can buy a high quality, solid timepiece that will last lifetimes, and is much more impressive than the disposable watch product sold by Apple. Buy a sports band if that's your motivation, your phone does everything else the watch does and stop packing landfills with your discarded consumer grade trash.
 

Indianwin2001

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For the money you spend on AW's over the years you can buy a high quality, solid timepiece that will last lifetimes, and is much more impressive than the disposable watch product sold by Apple. Buy a sports band if that's your motivation, your phone does everything else the watch does and stop packing landfills with your discarded consumer grade trash.
That is your opinion and use case. I always have the current model and last year's model on hand. I train seriously and this way I don't have to worry about charging it. It's no problem for me to afford 2 watches. In September my AW6 goes to the landfill, replaced by the AW8.
 
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Tagbert

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For the money you spend on AW's over the years you can buy a high quality, solid timepiece that will last lifetimes, and is much more impressive than the disposable watch product sold by Apple. Buy a sports band if that's your motivation, your phone does everything else the watch does and stop packing landfills with your discarded consumer grade trash.
If someone were to give me that “high quality, solid timepiece”, i would never wear it. No use for such a single-purpose thing and no interest in impressing you or anyone. The AW provides a lot of features that neither a Timex nor a Rolex will provide. I upgraded from an AW 4 to an AW 7 and it will probably be several more years before I feel a need to upgrade again. In the meantime, I gave the AW 4 to my elderly aunt who already used it to call for help when she fell down. Definitely worthwhile.
 

jav6454

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Ok hear me out, i know i have a weird angle looking at this, but it is one to consider.

[...]
Two things:
  1. You really need a tl;dr version
  2. I have a launch day S4.
AWs are meant to last 5+ years easy. My battery is toast, but I could easily go into Apple and have the battery replaced.

That said, I am eyeing having the O2 sensor, so this will be a 4-year cycle.
 
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perezr10

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If someone were to give me that “high quality, solid timepiece”, i would never wear it. No use for such a single-purpose thing and no interest in impressing you or anyone. The AW provides a lot of features that neither a Timex nor a Rolex will provide. I upgraded from an AW 4 to an AW 7 and it will probably be several more years before I feel a need to upgrade again. In the meantime, I gave the AW 4 to my elderly aunt who already used it to call for help when she fell down. Definitely worthwhile.
Great point. I’d want a single purpose watch about as much as buying horses and a buggy. Is my car a depreciating asset? Yes. Does it give me way more convenience than a horse drawn wagon. Yup.

Besides, the “High quality solid” timepiece industry has been imploding for the past few years. A lot of those companies are shrinking because more and more people want a device that can do more than one thing.
 

jz0309

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For the money you spend on AW's over the years you can buy a high quality, solid timepiece that will last lifetimes, and is much more impressive than the disposable watch product sold by Apple. Buy a sports band if that's your motivation, your phone does everything else the watch does and stop packing landfills with your discarded consumer grade trash.
sure, continue to poo poo the AW, just as I am going to poo poo a jewelry watch ... whatever works for you.
Just keep in mind that everyone is different ...
 

Neodym

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For the money you spend on AW's over the years you can buy a high quality, solid timepiece that will last lifetimes, and is much more impressive than the disposable watch product sold by Apple. Buy a sports band if that's your motivation, your phone does everything else the watch does and stop packing landfills with your discarded consumer grade trash.
Apple should really rename the AppleWatch, to avoid the notion that it is “just a fancy timepiece with some bling-bling”. And then hopefully such “Apples-vs-Pears” (pun not intended) comparisons would come to an end …
 
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HDFan

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i stretch this idea and say the last 4/5 apple watch releases had incremental upgrades (which they were) and were not significant enough to entirely replace the AW3.

They do incremental, possibly non significant upgrades when new features such as blood sugar, blood pressure, etc. aren't ready for prime time. The availability of these blockbusters isn't on any schedule other than an internal "hope for" one. They are ready when they are ready.

I think Apple uses a 5 year product cycle and then releases a new major hardware/software overhaul on which they work for the following 5 years with incremental upgrades.

As above no particular product cycle, it's just when things are ready.

Look at the features that a new model offers, and if you think that it is worth it to you get it, otherwise don’t.

Agreed. Personally I think an upgrade once every 2-3 years is perfect.

If new features aren't of interest then no need to upgrade.

your phone does everything else the watch does

Maybe, but much less convenient. I run timers all day and resetting them takes just seconds with the watch vs pulling out the phone, unlocking it, finding the timer app and resetting it. Same thing when grocery shopping. Just pull up the reminder list (which I keep in the dock) and check off things in seconds. When you have a long list there is no comparison. Order of magnitude faster.
 

throAU

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My S4 is still mostly fine outside of the battery being a bit degraded.

Performance is great, its just missing a couple of sensors.

3-5 years is about right to upgrade IMHO based on battery life degradation.
 

wim.v

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I'm still using my aluminum S3, bought when it came out.
The battery's maximum capacity is still 96%.
The OS is a bit slow at times but not unusable.
 
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doolar

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That is a good point, given the small battery in the AW and the limited amount of cycles it can handle, it might not be a product that could be used for 5 years or longer.

My AW4 is after almost 4 years at 81% i do think i may get a 5th year out of it with some tricks and basically little use outside some important stuff i need it for.

My current AW is already configured to do as little as possible as i am afraid the battery is drained by the time i need to record a training session, i also no longer wear it in the shower/swim with it in fears the waterproofing seal has degraded and i don`t want to ruin my AW by water damage.

How much is your AW7 battery life now? curious to see how much it degrades, as there might be a difference between AW models, as yours have fast charging and AOD and the vo2 monitor.
I just got the "service battery" on my S5. It's almost three years old and I took it to my local Apple Store yesterday, I just got a text that it's been replaced and will be available for pickup soon. I think I'll upgrade next year or possibly 2024 depending on what Apple releases.

So for me - 4 to 5 years for a Apple Watch with one battery replacement.
 

kevink2

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Two things:
  1. You really need a tl;dr version
  2. I have a launch day S4.
AWs are meant to last 5+ years easy. My battery is toast, but I could easily go into Apple and have the battery replaced.

That said, I am eyeing having the O2 sensor, so this will be a 4-year cycle.
I see my AW4 is at 75%, and would cost $79 to replace the battery.

But I think it is time to buy new watch. I can hand down my existing watch to someone else to monitor walking.
 
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