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tubeexperience

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Does the MacBook Pro with Touch Bar have removable SSD?

Somebody, please pop the bottom case open and tell me.
 

maratus

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No, memory chips and controller are soldered, seemingly on both sides of the motherboard.
 
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No, memory chips and controller are soldered, seemingly on both sides of the motherboard.

So if the logic board (or anything else on it) fails, bye-bye data?

This is problematic especially on the 15" MacBook Pro with dGPU that tends to fail.
 
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fs454

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No, memory chips and controller are soldered, seemingly on both sides of the motherboard.

Not true as far as we all know. The non-TB model has a removal, but proprietary SSD:
mVlAHBmfVwEVeT3A.huge


No word thus far on the TB models, but I am willing to pull the bottom off my 15" Touch Bar model tonight when I get home to my toolkit.
 
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Not true as far as we all know. The non-TB model has a removal, but proprietary SSD:
mVlAHBmfVwEVeT3A.huge


No word thus far on the TB models, but I am willing to pull the bottom off my 15" Touch Bar model tonight when I get home to my toolkit.
I wonder if OWC or Crucial have any plans to offer SSD upgrades for the new MBP. It doesn't look too hard to remove the stock SSD from the base model. I welcome the option, if it happens.
 
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Not true as far as we all know. The non-TB model has a removal, but proprietary SSD:
mVlAHBmfVwEVeT3A.huge


No word thus far on the TB models, but I am willing to pull the bottom off my 15" Touch Bar model tonight when I get home to my toolkit.
Please do. I would love to know!
 
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monkeydax

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Not true as far as we all know. The non-TB model has a removal, but proprietary SSD:
mVlAHBmfVwEVeT3A.huge


No word thus far on the TB models, but I am willing to pull the bottom off my 15" Touch Bar model tonight when I get home to my toolkit.
Perfect, looking forward to it too! Would be great if you could get a nice picture of what's under the hood.
 
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Not true as far as we all know. The non-TB model has a removal, but proprietary SSD:
mVlAHBmfVwEVeT3A.huge


No word thus far on the TB models, but I am willing to pull the bottom off my 15" Touch Bar model tonight when I get home to my toolkit.

Would be nice if you do it!
 
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fs454

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Welp! In a somewhat shocking discovery it looks like the 15" TB model does NOT have the removable SSD like the 13" function keys model.

Give me a second for pictures. Also, TONS of unused space for battery capacity. Absolutely willing to bet third parties can fit bigger cells in this thing.
 
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maratus

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So if the logic board (or anything else on it) fails, bye-bye data?
Generally, no. Data recovery won't be straightforward, but as long as the memory chips are fine it's doable. It's up to 3rd parties to figure out how to perform data recovery with custom equipment or donor boards. What I know for sure, is that data recovery will be more expensive.

Another concern would be data recovery from a failed rMBP that's under warranty. Would you prefer to recover your data and lose your warranty due to 3rd party intrusion? Or would you rather lose your data and have Apple replace fix (replace) your laptop?

This is problematic especially on the 15" MacBook Pro with dGPU that tends to fail.
It's unlikely that SSD will be affected physically (at least more than a removable SSD would)

P.S. Both touch-bar enabled rMBPs have soldered SSD, while non-touchbar has a new PCI-e connector for its slower removable SSD
 
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Generally, no. Data recovery won't be straightforward, but as long as the memory chips are fine it's doable. It's up to 3rd parties to figure out how to perform data recovery with custom equipment or donor boards. What I know for sure, is that data recovery will be more expensive.

Another concern would be data recovery from a failed rMBP that's under warranty. Would you prefer to recover your data and lose your warranty due to 3rd party intrusion? Or would you rather lose your data and have Apple replace fix (replace) your laptop?


It's unlikely that SSD will be affected physically (at least more than a removable SSD would)

P.S. Both touch-bar enabled rMBPs have soldered SSD, while non-touchbar has a new PCI-e connector for its slower removable SSD
Do you know what the SSD speed difference is between the non and the touch?
 
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garyleecn

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I wonder if OWC or Crucial have any plans to offer SSD upgrades for the new MBP. It doesn't look too hard to remove the stock SSD from the base model. I welcome the option, if it happens.

if it's removable, they sure will release it at some point.
if it's not removable...


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I personally want to have a 13 inch but with 2T storage (have 1T+ photo library....)
so really hope the SSD is removable.
 
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fs454

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Can someone confirm this with pictures?

http://imgur.com/a/24QhY

Sorry for the mediocre shots, but I am confirming NO removable storage, and oddly small battery cells. It's hard to see in the shots, but there are index-finger width gaps around most of the battery cells. They could be much larger at the expense of weight, I guess. Seems to me like they're using the gaps partially for air flow, but the batteries look comically small in their compartments.
 
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Generally, no. Data recovery won't be straightforward, but as long as the memory chips are fine it's doable. It's up to 3rd parties to figure out how to perform data recovery with custom equipment or donor boards. What I know for sure, is that data recovery will be more expensive.

Another concern would be data recovery from a failed rMBP that's under warranty. Would you prefer to recover your data and lose your warranty due to 3rd party intrusion? Or would you rather lose your data and have Apple replace fix (replace) your laptop?


It's unlikely that SSD will be affected physically (at least more than a removable SSD would)

P.S. Both touch-bar enabled rMBPs have soldered SSD, while non-touchbar has a new PCI-e connector for its slower removable SSD
Seriously, how hard is it to keep your data backed up? Time machine is super idiot proof, other apps like CCC are ridiculously fast/easy too.

Yeah, loss of data will suck, but, it really shouldn't ever be catastrophic imho.
 
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maratus

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Do you know what the SSD speed difference is between the non and the touch?
1.2 write / 2.2 read vs 2.2 write / 3.1 read (in GB/s for sequential access)

Seriously, how hard is it to keep your data backed up? Time machine is super idiot proof, other apps like CCC are ridiculously fast/easy too.

Yeah, loss of data will suck, but, it really shouldn't ever be catastrophic imho.
The OP never asked about data backup, it's an entirely different topic.

P.S. BTW Time Machine isn't the most reliable way to back-up either
 
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http://imgur.com/a/24QhY

Sorry for the mediocre shots, but I am confirming NO removable storage, and oddly small battery cells. It's hard to see in the shots, but there are index-finger width gaps around most of the battery cells. They could be much larger at the expense of weight, I guess. Seems to me like they're using the gaps partially for air flow, but the batteries look comically small in their compartments.
Thanks for the pictures, very interesting stuff. Any idea where the SSD is located there?
 
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Thanks for the pictures, very interesting stuff. Any idea where the SSD is located there?

It's under one of the silver PCB shields, but I'm not daring enough to start messing with those as it'll look like it was tampered with. I was expecting to be able to see the T1 / Touch Bar component area, but alas everything interesting is shielded with these models.

Going by the image below, shielding closes to CPU/GPU is most likely RAM and VRAM. Maybe T1 chip under the shielding closest to the top of the image and SSD components at the bottom near the fan?

V4xBrOw.jpg


I'm mostly surprised about how small the batteries are in the compartments. iFixit will do a better job at illustrating this than I will, but those cells are really very small for the space given, like the iPad Pro 12.9" having massive gaps for "acoustic" requirements. Except here, there's nothing at all in the index-finger width space surrounding the corner cells and the trackpad cells.
 
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jackoatmon

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Yet another thread where fs454 is saving the day.

Why can't tech review websites get people like THAT to review the devices?!

I guess it's because we need another description of how the touchbar is apple's new "headline feature" and that it has emojis (!) as opposed to all this high quality data, benchmarking, internal imagery and analysis we've been getting from fs454 today
 
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monkeydax

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It's under one of the silver PCB shields, but I'm not daring enough to start messing with those as it'll look like it was tampered with. I was expecting to be able to see the T1 / Touch Bar component area, but alas everything interesting is shielded with these models.

Going by the image below, shielding closes to CPU/GPU is most likely RAM and VRAM. Maybe T1 chip under the shielding closest to the top of the image and SSD components at the bottom near the fan?

Next to the right fan, right at the edge of the logic board.

Interesting how this model has so much more shielding than the previous one. Great early insights!
 
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fs454

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Yet another thread where fs454 is saving the day.

Why can't tech review websites get people like THAT to review the devices?!

Hahaha, I've always wanted to but can rarely get my hands on things fast enough - and have no idea where to begin in tech journalism. Glad to be able to help solve the remaining mysteries of these new notebooks!
 
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Seriously, how hard is it to keep your data backed up? Time machine is super idiot proof, other apps like CCC are ridiculously fast/easy too.

Yeah, loss of data will suck, but, it really shouldn't ever be catastrophic imho.
Time machine backup at home/work. Away from home/office for hours, Laptop dies.

Remember we are talking a laptop.. people tend to use them away from desks.
 
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