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I personally can't wait for graphics chips designed with this resolution in mind.

I'm jealous of you retina people, though! I wish I wasn't "held in the past" by certain things. It's amazing and definitely the future.

If we get a retina MBA in the next year, maybe I'll grab one of those.
 
It is a nice machine.

HOWEVER, I went through THREE of them and all of them had screen issues and were using the LG screen. The screen issues were everything from dead pixels and uneven brightness, to ghosting and image retention. After the third try I gave up and just got my money back. However I might try one more time. :p

When I had them, they were fast, light and sexy. I DID notice UI lag and sluggishness that I have never seen on a Mac before. For example when I would be in mail and would click on the button to compose a new email, when the new window would pop up, there would be a noticeable sluggishness that I do not see on my personal 27 inch i7 iMac or my 21.5 inch i5 iMac at work or any other Mac I have been on in my life (and that's a lot!).

I hope this helps!
 
It is a nice machine.

HOWEVER, I went through THREE of them and all of them had screen issues and were using the LG screen. The screen issues were everything from dead pixels and uneven brightness, to ghosting and image retention. After the third try I gave up and just got my money back. However I might try one more time. :p

When I had them, they were fast, light and sexy. I DID notice UI lag and sluggishness that I have never seen on a Mac before. For example when I would be in mail and would click on the button to compose a new email, when the new window would pop up, there would be a noticeable sluggishness that I do not see on my personal 27 inch i7 iMac or my 21.5 inch i5 iMac at work or any other Mac I have been on in my life (and that's a lot!).

I hope this helps!
I noticed most problems were people with LG displays. Samsung all the way. :cool:
 
I don't think that's an entirely fair analogy. The first MBA required some pretty extreme compromises in order to meet the form factor. The rMBP is the fastest, most powerful laptop Apple makes. There will be some improvements next year (and probably some software improvements on the current model as well), but not the same kind of leap forward.

spec-wise its great. but you're conveniently leaving out the sheer amount of horsepower needed just to power the retina display screen. with such high resolution pretty much stretching the limits of its hardware, you unfortunately get to experience how much it struggles with regular UI smoothness. its something you don't experience on much older macbooks.
 
But optical drive!

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spec-wise its great. but you're conveniently leaving out the sheer amount of horsepower needed just to power the retina display screen. with such high resolution pretty much stretching the limits of its hardware, you unfortunately get to experience how much it struggles with regular UI smoothness. its something you don't experience on much older macbooks.

Wrong
 
I too agree on the screen. I went through 4 to finally end up with a Samsung panel. The first 3 LG had no ghosting but had very annoying yellow gradient from either top-bottom or left-right. Damn panel lottery.

I have the 2.7/16/768 model.
 
It's honestly amazing. Many tech sites are calling it the best laptop out there. I own one and don't have any problems. All of my apps are updated.
 
I own it and in my opinion people saying that there are lag issues are overblowing the issue massively. They're extremely minor on the rare occasion that they do show up. Aside from that, which is the only major complaint I've seen here, it's by far the best computer I've ever used. I don't think you need to wait another generation for a product that's certainly ready right now.
 
Not my experience.

That is unfortunate.

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spec-wise its great. but you're conveniently leaving out the sheer amount of horsepower needed just to power the retina display screen. with such high resolution pretty much stretching the limits of its hardware, you unfortunately get to experience how much it struggles with regular UI smoothness. its something you don't experience on much older macbooks.

Do you know how many pixels the 650M is rated to push? Can we get facts instead of vague generalities?
 
That is unfortunate.

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Do you know how many pixels the 650M is rated to push? Can we get facts instead of vague generalities?

do you not understand retina display at all? do you have any idea how much scaling needs to be done and why apple had to write custom software scaling to accomodate it?

do you not get why 2880 at native res runs pretty well but the actual retina display modes run slower?

can we get real questions that are actually relevant and not completely clueless diatribes?
 
do you not understand retina display at all? do you have any idea how much scaling needs to be done and why apple had to write custom software scaling to accomodate it?

do you not get why 2880 at native res runs pretty well but the actual retina display modes run slower?

Actually, the funny thing is, you're wrong. If you use GFXStatus you will see that when you switch to native 2880x1800 unscaled it forces the switch to discreet graphics to accomadate the change. Scaled mode depends on integrated. Scaling is not as intense an operation as you are making it out to be.
 
Actually, the funny thing is, you're wrong. If you use GFXStatus you will see that when you switch to native 2880x1800 unscaled it forces the switch to discreet graphics to accomadate the change. Scaled mode depends on integrated. Scaling is not as intense an operation as you are making it out to be.

oh god. scaled mode depends on integrated??? please read what you just wrote and come back when you actually know what you're saying.
 
If you can wait, wait.

Right now, it's great, but it's the first of its kind. In 2013, it will be perfect.


Like the Macbook Air - the first model was good for a thin laptop, but was lacking in some fields (especially hardware). Now, it's pretty much the perfect consumer notebook and is actually as good as the 13" Pro for just about everything but user-upgradeability.

No, wait until 2015. I promise you the Macbook Pro will be even better!
 
I wouldn't trade mine for any other laptop on the market at any price. If you can afford it--get it. Simple as that.
 
oh god. scaled mode depends on integrated??? please read what you just wrote and come back when you actually know what you're saying.

unless you change the settings to only use discrete, you will be using integrated while in best for retina. I know what I'm talking about, obviously you don't.
 
spec-wise its great. but you're conveniently leaving out the sheer amount of horsepower needed just to power the retina display screen. with such high resolution pretty much stretching the limits of its hardware, you unfortunately get to experience how much it struggles with regular UI smoothness. its something you don't experience on much older macbooks.

You own one? I didn't think so.
 
Lag vs No Lag Videos

Everyone,

I found a video on YouTube showing the lag I think people are discussing. This is on a 2.3 GHz version of the rMBP w/ 8 GB RAM:

http://youtu.be/uixeNzzJBXQ

I believe this person was using a screen recording program, so I'm not sure how much overhead that adds and whether that could skew the results of what you are seeing on screen.

I took an actual video recording of my screen using a DSLR, to eliminate any processing overhead that a screen recording application may add. I scrolled through George Takei's Facebook timeline, which has a lot of images and comments, as well as theVerge.com which showed the choppiest scrolling in the above video.

I quickly shot off this video using the automatic settings, I wasn't going for a technically perfect video, so please forgive those shortcomings. However, I think you will see when comparing both of these, I am experiencing nothing even remotely similar to what is shown in the first video.

http://youtu.be/p5OLbKCi3ok

The only discernible differences between my RMBP and the one in the first lag video is that mine is the faster 2.6 model with double the RAM (16 GB vs 8 GB). Both machines are on 10.8 Mountain Lion using Safari 6. The other thing I did differently was that I pre-loaded the web pages to eliminate any lag associated with page or image load time. This is not something that was done in the first video, and the lag seen in that video may have something to do with the fact that the pages and images were also loading while the pages were scrolled. Pure conjecture on my part.

So as you can see, I'm not making this stuff up. I just don't see the lag that others are seeing and experiencing.
 
unless you change the settings to only use discrete, you will be using integrated while in best for retina. I know what I'm talking about, obviously you don't.

you realize you aren't making any sort of logical argument at all right? what does using the integrated or discrete matter at all in this context? and you do realize when switching to 2880 native res, it shouldn't change to the discrete card at all unless you're running apps that aren't properly flagged to support switching or it actually needs the extra horsepower.

switching to native 2880 res does NOT force the discrete card to be used. why the hell would it? and even if it did, how does that prove the hd4000 can more than handle retina display scaling? because clearly as you go up the hidpi modes, the slower it gets. unless you're also willfully ignorant about that too.

lol at "scaled mode depends on integrated". dumbest thing i've read today.
 
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I don't think that's an entirely fair analogy. The first MBA required some pretty extreme compromises in order to meet the form factor. The rMBP is the fastest, most powerful laptop Apple makes. There will be some improvements next year (and probably some software improvements on the current model as well), but not the same kind of leap forward.

It isn't. But the same concept applies here too, it's just not as exaggerated. There is no way a laptop can be "perfect" the first time around. Only after it is released to the masses and enough feedback/data is gathered can they improve the product. IMO, whenever Apple thinks they've perfected a laptop, they will come out with the next "beta." In a way, I think Apple thinks they've hit the height with the legacy MBP, and that the only way to move forward is not via CPU/GPU upgrades, but something new and innovative - like a new display and form factor.
 
I find that a lot of the apps do not show clearly on the retina screen.

Maybe worth waiting for a while

And that's the single biggest issue. I jumped the gun and bought a rMBP. It's a beautiful laptop with an insanely nice screen. It's not free of flaws, however. My screen has been showing the temporary ghosting thing. Also, I find it to be considerably slower in every-day usage compared to, say, the Macbook Air I sold to finance the rMBP. Lots of apps are laggy - especially graphics apps and the various browsers (on larger websites).

the biggest issue of them all, however, doesn't have anything to do with the hardware itself: it's the simple fact that MS Office looks like a** on the Retina. If you don't use Office a lot, you might be able to live with it. Typing a letter once a week is feasible. However, if you, like me, spend several hours a day in MS office, the rMBP is NOT for you. You can crank up the resolution, zoom in etc., but it still looks like a** and it does give you serious eye-strain. I tried for a couple of weeks and repeatedly got massive headaches and red eyes after only an hour or so of using it. I'm typing this using an external monitor - which is a bit of a joke, really. Also, if you, like me, depend on Adobe Lightroom etc. for image editing, you'll run into the same problems as with MS Office. They're a bit less pronounced there but it's very hard to juge the sharpness of images when editing in non-retina-optimized apps. I'm fairly sure Adobe will release updates within the next couple of months. As for Microsoft: not looking good. They just said that they won't be releasing a new version of MS Office until 2014. Before that, there'll only be a minor update to add Skydrive functionality to the existing version. As MS Office (with the exception of Outlook, which looks fairly decent on the retina) isn't written in Cocoa, Microsoft can't just release a minor patch to add Retina support. They have to rewrite the entire office suite. They probably started doing that anyway, even before the rMBP was released - but according to Microsoft, it'll take more than a year from now to finish.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say: the rMBP is one heck of a machine if you can live with the lags in some apps (still present in ML, btw.) and if you don't need MS Office or do image editing with LR. Pages now looks awesome on it - that's not an option for me, however, as I have to exchange documents with other people on a regular basis and the standard in our office is DOCX. For "pure" Apple users who rely on Pages and Aperture, it's awesome. For those working in mixed-OS environments and need platform independence, it's just not a good option right now. I'm seriously contemplating selling my rMBP for a Dell XPS 14 at the moment - I just find it a pain in the neck to use right now.

Peter
 
can't you still return yours? the MBPr return rate is unprecedented, and given the beta bugs, i'm sure apple can be flexible and extend the grace period for returns.


And that's the single biggest issue. I jumped the gun and bought a rMBP. It's a beautiful laptop with an insanely nice screen. It's not free of flaws, however. My screen has been showing the temporary ghosting thing. Also, I find it to be considerably slower in every-day usage compared to, say, the Macbook Air I sold to finance the rMBP. Lots of apps are laggy - especially graphics apps and the various browsers (on larger websites).

the biggest issue of them all, however, doesn't have anything to do with the hardware itself: it's the simple fact that MS Office looks like a** on the Retina. If you don't use Office a lot, you might be able to live with it. Typing a letter once a week is feasible. However, if you, like me, spend several hours a day in MS office, the rMBP is NOT for you. You can crank up the resolution, zoom in etc., but it still looks like a** and it does give you serious eye-strain. I tried for a couple of weeks and repeatedly got massive headaches and red eyes after only an hour or so of using it. I'm typing this using an external monitor - which is a bit of a joke, really. Also, if you, like me, depend on Adobe Lightroom etc. for image editing, you'll run into the same problems as with MS Office. They're a bit less pronounced there but it's very hard to juge the sharpness of images when editing in non-retina-optimized apps. I'm fairly sure Adobe will release updates within the next couple of months. As for Microsoft: not looking good. They just said that they won't be releasing a new version of MS Office until 2014. Before that, there'll only be a minor update to add Skydrive functionality to the existing version. As MS Office (with the exception of Outlook, which looks fairly decent on the retina) isn't written in Cocoa, Microsoft can't just release a minor patch to add Retina support. They have to rewrite the entire office suite. They probably started doing that anyway, even before the rMBP was released - but according to Microsoft, it'll take more than a year from now to finish.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say: the rMBP is one heck of a machine if you can live with the lags in some apps (still present in ML, btw.) and if you don't need MS Office or do image editing with LR. Pages now looks awesome on it - that's not an option for me, however, as I have to exchange documents with other people on a regular basis and the standard in our office is DOCX. For "pure" Apple users who rely on Pages and Aperture, it's awesome. For those working in mixed-OS environments and need platform independence, it's just not a good option right now. I'm seriously contemplating selling my rMBP for a Dell XPS 14 at the moment - I just find it a pain in the neck to use right now.

Peter
 
can't you still return yours? the MBPr return rate is unprecedented, and given the beta bugs, i'm sure apple can be flexible and extend the grace period for returns.

I doubt it - I live in Switzerland, where companys are a lot less forthcoming in this respect. There's no general right to return anything here. Apple is one of the very few companys that offer a return window at all.

It's not a big issue, however - I can almost get full price for it on ebay right now.

Peter
 
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