From my Post #43
I wouldn't be learning anything new...
It is a workflow I already used...
Just other things to do beside re-tool my whole setup when I don't have to.
I would switch back if I had no choice (MS made you pay to edit on all iPads, etc)
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Does Word & Excel work on an iPad ?
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From my Post #43
I wouldn't be learning anything new...
It is a workflow I already used...
Just other things to do beside re-tool my whole setup when I don't have to.
I would switch back if I had no choice (MS made you pay to edit on all iPads, etc)
Different strokes for different folks. Apple's iWork is already on every iPad. If you can use that, then go for it. I had too many problems converting my Word documents from work over to Apple's Pages, so I'm paying for MS Word. Besides, I like having 1 terabyte of cloud storage for 40% less than Dropbox charges.
I guess post 34 was misleading.
My take on what you are saying is that you want to use MS Office but you aren't happy that it's a subscription model now. Well that was MS's decision to make and if you don't like it you are free to take your business elsewhere. They own the software and they get to choose how they will license it. What's to gain by complaining about MS business practices in a Mac forum?
Yes - I got sucked back in by people quoting my posts...
Correct..
Marty - You win
Can we move on?
More than happy to move on. Not out for a "win."
Just consider that, when it comes to copyrighted software, you own nothing, even when you pay outright - read the license agreement. When you "pay outright" a program will keep working until it ceases to work - maybe you want/need to update your OS, maybe you need a new feature or to remain compatible a school or work, maybe you replaced your computer but lost your product activation code; even if you saved that code, maybe that old version is incompatible with the OS on your new computer, or can't be legally downloaded anymore. Eventually, you're going to have to pay again.
It's really just the difference between "pay up front" and "pay as you go." While it's not likely you'd spend less when paying by subscription, there's no guarantee you'll save money by paying up front, and the subscriptions usually bring added convenience and features (like cloud services and multi-device licenses). (Maybe you value those features, maybe not.)
I see this sentiment all the time with print books vs. ebooks, CDs/vinyl vs. iTunes... When you buy a CD, you own a piece of plastic, when you buy a book, you own the paper upon which the words are printed. You do not own the words or music - you own the right to listen to that music, to read that book - so long as the plastic or paper remain in your possession. If you truly owned the music or words, you'd have the right to sell copies and keep the original. You'd have a right to a free replacement if you lost them. You know you don't have those rights. If they physical copies wear out or burn in a fire... unless you made a backup, pfffft!
But with electronic "purchases" and subscriptions, it's not a matter of whether you made a backup. If you lose everything in a fire, all you need is your username and password.
But in the end, it's a company's right to decide how they make their product available to the public - they offer their product at the prices and terms they think the customer will accept. If they're wrong about the customer's willingness to pay, they lose money. If they're right, they make money.
There have always been free and lower-cost alternatives to Office, but if you must have Office, guess what? Microsoft gets to call the tune.
Correct - That's why some of us prefer that method.
In fact the cloud model can cost quite a bit more and if you don't value/need/want the extras, it's a particularly bad deal.
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I generally like it, what i dont like:
i CANT, for the life of me, find the past special option that allows me to paste unformatted txt into Word, plse for the love of god, tell me if you know!
it is constantly asking me to activate - hasnt been an issue so far because ive always been connected to the internet but im waiting for the moment im on a plane and cant...
i CANT, for the life of me, find the past special option that allows me to paste unformatted txt into Word, plse for the love of god, tell me if you know!
it is constantly asking me to activate - hasnt been an issue so far because ive always been connected to the internet but im waiting for the moment im on a plane and cant...
Of course it is, it's worth it for many people and firms. The problem with threads like this is that many believe since they are successful in using a piece of software that everyone else should be as well. Those who pay for MS Office do so because they need so, nothing more. A mobile app of anything is a far cry from a full desktop version, I've even had people try to convince me that I could use my iPad Pro as a full CAD system, sure, maybe if I was designing a bathroom for my daughters Barby house, however I'm not going to go into a clients office and show him blueprints for a new 50,000 sqft. Building designed from an iPad Pro. Could you imagine trying to work with a team of about 7 guys on the same project using iPad Pro's. I mean forget the fact that we all work off of dual 32" 4K monitors now, connected to dual XEON CPU workstations with dual Nvidia Quadro cards, just dealing with files in iOS would be enough for my staff to go bat sh*&t crazy and probably hang themselves. These guys just can't get it through their heads that even though there are a few apps that can display CAD projects and even do light editing, no professional in there right mind would ever use such a device for this type of work except for maybe demoing what a finished project might look like by utilizing files made from a real computer. Pixar for instance might use an iPad Pro for a meeting, this is what a character would look like, that character however was just copied onto the iPad Pro, not designed and created on it, the difference from content consumption and creation.
This whole notion of the iPad Pro being utilized as a laptop replacement device is ubsurd to me, at least in the professional sense. As a consumer device, sure, I guess, the same people that are comfortable with using a ChromeBook for their home office could probably use an iPad Pro as an alternative. Though I personally would probably prefer the ChromeBook as not only are cloud apps more powerful than most mobile apps, albeit non-graphic related mobile apps, though cloud apps even in this department of vastly becoming pretty great, i.e. I'm running Photoshop on my Pixel ChromeBook, yep, the same Photoshope, soon Adobe will be releasing their entire CC to the cloud. ANyway, you have access to a mouse, a better file management system, better multitasking, etc. all things that are is still important to a lot of people for productivity work. I mean just using my iPad Prp for 10 minutes with the keyboard without a mouse was enough for me to call it quits, having to constantly reach up and across the keyboard to navigate the UI get's old real quick.
My whole point is, the iPad Pro, even with the Pro, is still a consumer device, running a consumer OS, utilizing consumer based apps. Saying that the mobile version of Office is a viable solution for every task is simply absurd. Like the CAD programs, mobile Office was designed to review content firstly and foremost, with light creation capabilities second, yes light, anyone who is thinking about creating a 100 page workbook using an iPad Pro with a very limited mobile version of Office is simply stupid, wrong tool for the job. The second you start needing something even as simple as a mass emailer, mobile Office becomes as useful as cruiz-control on a Lamborghini.
I will never understand why people that hate Apple products frequent a forum that primarily exists for fans of Apple products. I literally have NEVER been on any forum that exists for Microsoft Windows fans. Why? Not interested in their products, don't care what they have to offer, and if they gave me Microsoft Windows tablets, laptops, desktop, or some "surface" something-or-other I would sell it and buy the Apple equivalent. It is literally one of the weirdest things to me that I will never be able to understand why Apple haters post on Macrumors as often as they do.
I figure you're talking about my post, what about it is so anti-Apple, it's assumptions vs. reality, nothing more, using the right the tools for the tasks at hand. I have more of a problem with people getting so upset every single time something remotely negative is said about Apple or one of it's products. Their the most powerful computer company in the world, they don't need people standing up for them, in fact that very notion is frankly insane. They sell inanimate objects, not love and care about you as much as a shark cares about the emotional feelings of it's prey. I simply stated that the iPad Pro is a consumer device, that uses consumer based apps first, people trying to push a square peg into a circle whole is just anti-productive, that's all my post was about.
Though in a more general point of view; you can also be an Apple user without having to like every product they manufacture, that being said, the iPad Pro is a flawed device when used for anything but content consumption. So does that mean I hate Apple, well actually I don't have any feelings towards them what so ever, their just another for profit company, nothing more. No, it just means I don't particularly like using the iPad Pro for productivity tasks, well, iOS actually as it just isn't up to the tasks. There are just to many people in here that have these completely unrealistic portraits of what the the iPad Pro can Actually do, so I use colorful adjectives to hammer in the true reality. OSX is still my favorite desktop OS, workstation OS goes to Linux and Solaris, mobile OS goes to Android and Blackberry OS 10.3.
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Lovely post. How does it relate to me? The poster I was discussing with was complaining about MS's business model. All I said was if you don't like it, use something else.
For reference I have MS Office installed in an OSX environment, a Win7 environment and even on a SB Server2012 environment in addition to iOS versions. I do appropriate taks in appropriate places. Lots of times I don't need the power of the Server or Win 7 or OSX. At those times I really enjoy that I can open up certain simple sheets on my IPP and editing them is almost as easy as going into the office.
Perhaps they there are some people who like their Macs, but not iPhones or iPads or vice versa. Apple makes such a diverse set of products, that a given user can like one product but not another. Besides, there opinions are no less valuable then those that love apple. Different strokes for different folks.
That's good to know, that will help my usage. I should visit my local apple store and see if they have excel installed on the IPP
This.
I use my iPads mainly to do edits. I tried doing my honors final assignment around 2 years ago on my iPad 4 and it was painful, and even with the new Word and Excel apps, trying to do proper work in them is painful.
I thought the iPad Pro would solve that but as it turns out it's just as bad.
What do you mean? I don't have an Office 365 subscription and I am able to edit my documents just fine. Did I missed something?
I think what he means is that on the iPad Pro you have to have an Office 365 subscription to edit documents.
That doesn't apply to the Air 2, just the Pro because of the Microsoft rules on screen size.
That's interesting. I know the iPP may not work as well as a desktop/laptop computer for many people, but to say it has no improvement at all over the smaller iPads is contrary to my experience. Ever since I got my iPP, I've been able to work on it a lot more than I got done on my previous iPads, and I sure wish I'd had one while I was in college and graduate school.
Oh I got it. I didn't know that. How can MS tell the difference about screen size when they sign up??
The apps most likely detect the device model on startup/initialization and compare against a database.
I'm guessing by seeing what type of tablet it is.
They also do a similar issue with windows 10, in what version of windows will run on the computer.