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I wonder if Apple didn't agree to unlock it behind closed doors, with the DOJ issuing the statement we're now seeing? Everyone wins. Apple can continue to insist they're protecting the customer, and the govt gets the phone unlocked. One of those win/win situations.

Doubt it. If the FBI has to do some "law enforcement" the how and the why and the when this phone was unlocked will come out in court.
 
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I wonder if Apple didn't agree to unlock it behind closed doors, along with the DOJ issuing the statement we're now seeing? Everyone wins. Apple can continue to insist they're protecting the customer, and the govt gets the phone unlocked. One of those win/win situations.
I was thinking this also but if it ever got leaked out it then it would look bad for Apple. I don't think they would risk this.
 
This is potentially more dangerous than Apple creating something for use. Everyone is worried that if Apple did create a forked version of their OS to comply, it would compromise security for everyone - without question. Now - it MAY be possible for someone who has less corporate responsibility to create a way into a locked phone. This should be more disconcerting than Apple helping. I sincerely hope it winds up being impossible for a 3rd party to hack in.
 
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Naw....the reality is.....the FBI (federal BS Instigators) are paying hackers from pwn tournament to break into iOS...
 
I'd prefer they go ahead with the hearing...

Yes youarerite. Since they wanted a fight I hope Apple brings it. But cooler, more rational voices at Apple should prevail. Unless the DOJ or FBI make another disparaging statement about Apple. Apple should be ready to drop bombs even if the FBI wants to throw just punches.
 
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Come on. How naiv are people? Ofcourse FBI could get the data they want all along.

And hacking an iPhone doesnt seem that hard for a hardcore nerd

Publicity stunt from Apple to look good again after the iCloud scandal
 
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I see two possibilities:

The FBI was under intense pressure to make this case go away due to the unexpected backlash directed at the government and the very likely possibility the FBI would lose, and in the next few weeks we hear, "We got what we needed, okay bye, please forget this ever happened."

Or, the FBI is playing theatrics to try and weaken the argument they are trying to set a precedent, by appearing to try and exercise all other possible options before asking Apple to help.

Either way the FBI looks incompetent.

Wow, wedding on so many levels. You're take on this and your reasoning makes no sense.
 
They can't be forced to cooperate. The law clearly states without being open to interpretation that the FBI cannot make a company create something that doesn't exist.


U really think Government cannot do anything? Seriously? All government need is pass a law that require all phone maker leave backdoor... Just like government around golbal is doing?
 
Guess they didn't want a precedent established against them.
They'll wait for a stronger case to fight this battle.

It was never about this one iPhone. They probably discovered nothing relevant on the phone and now they're trying to save face.

That is EXACTLY why they've sought to vacate the hearing at this time. The case is not sufficiently inflammatory, nor prospective negative effects likely and immediate enough, that emotion can sufficiently override the clear legal protections that Apple enjoys, and they aren't willing to risk establishing a prohibitive precedent at this time.

It's my sincere hope that Apple forces the issue by creating an iOS version using a truly single-party encryption that is immune from any manipulation by them, and is entirely destructible. The government musn't be allowed to slither back into its hole to bid its time. Both political parties have shown themselves far too willing to curtail civil liberties where data security is concerned and we need to have this discussion now, during a presidential election season, to take advantage of politicians' unwillingness to step out onto any precarious limbs.
 
They knew they were going to lose, so they decided to run and "live to fight another day".

Shameless, but sadly, this type of tactic is expected of them.
 
There is no vulnerability. Rumor is that the FBI will quietly say that they have everything they need without getting into the phone. They want this case gone
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I wonder if Apple didn't agree to unlock it behind closed doors, along with the DOJ issuing the statement we're now seeing? Everyone wins. Apple can continue to insist they're protecting the customer, and the govt gets the phone unlocked. One of those win/win situations.
No
 
Great, nobody wants to protect the iPhone in question, but rather just protect our privacy as a whole. If the DoJ thinks they can crack it without having to involve Apple that's exactly how justice should work. And it also give Apple time to "double down" for the rest of us!

If Apple unlocked it, they can more easily use it in court. If they used it in court otherwise, they would have to explain to the jury how they unlocked the phone, and Apple would just patch that method out the next time.
 
Apparently someone from the FBI finally got around to visiting Funk and Wagnall and retrieving the #2 mayonnaise jar on their back porch containing the hermetically sealed envelope that had the code they needed.
 
U really think Government cannot do anything? Seriously? All government need is pass a law that require all phone maker leave backdoor... Just like government around golbal is doing?
They can do whatever they want if there's nobody uncorrupt anymore in government. But as we've seen, this isn't the case. Apple has received support from everywhere, including those in government.
 
They knew they were going to lose, so they decided to run and "live to fight another day".

Shameless, but sadly, this type of tactic is expected of them.

I think this will have lasting damage to the relationship between the FBI and Apple. Apple could choose to follow the letter of the law when providing assistance and nothing more. I would hope that liaisons exist just to make the exchange of technical data easier, but now it could be a "not talking to you without a lawyer present".

I think these people haven't started a fight with someone who has a reasonable chance of winning and has the financial backing to keep fighting.
 
This is potentially more dangerous than Apple creating something for use. Everyone is worried that if Apple did create a forked version of their OS to comply, it would compromise security for everyone - without question. Now - it MAY be possible for someone who has less corporate responsibility to create a way into a locked phone. This should be more disconcerting than Apple helping. I sincerely hope it winds up being impossible for a 3rd party to hack in.
Since we don't know what the exploit is, it could be dangerous for Apple.

However, the phone in question is an iPhone 5c, which doesn't have the Secure Enclave that all later iPhones have. So the method the FBI thinks it can use may only be useful on older iPhones.
 
I think this will have lasting damage to the relationship between the FBI and Apple. Apple could choose to follow the letter of the law when providing assistance and nothing more.
They did provide assistance. That's not what this case is about.

I would hope that liaisons exist just to make the exchange of technical data easier, but now it could be a "not talking to you without a lawyer present".
That would be nice, except that security is kind of an all or nothing type thing currently.

I think these people haven't started a fight with someone who has a reasonable chance of winning and has the financial backing to keep fighting.
Apple's lawyers have so far proven to be more competent than the DoJ.
 
Great so we've gone from needing to worry about the Feds trampling civil liberties to "OMG What is this new vulnerability and do we need to worry about this FBI Savior going rougue against the rest of us"

Great.... Please let iOS 10 be another security enhancing vulnerability reduction blitz

Feels like the idea is to cast doubt on the security of the devices.

Yea....
And they might succeed....
 
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