DOJ Says Publishers Are Again Colluding in Objecting to Proposed Apple Penalty in E-Book Case

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    With Apple and the U.S. Department of Justice headed back to court today for a hearing on the government's proposed penalties for Apple, GigaOM highlights several developments in the case. Of particular interest is a letter from DOJ attorney Lawrence Buterman arguing that an objection to the proposed penalties by the publishers that were part of the case is direct evidence of why the penalties are needed to protect consumers.
    Apple has called the proposed penalties, which would force the company to allow competitors to bring back direct links to their e-book stores in their App Store apps and nullify existing "agency model" contracts with publishers, "draconian" and "punitive". Apple could also end up being liable for as much as $500 million in damages.

    At today's hearing, Apple will also argue for a stay on further court proceedings until its appeal can be heard, proposing that a jury trial be held in October 2014. The DOJ is arguing against a stay and suggesting that an appeal trial should be held beginning in April 2014.

    Update: Associated Press reports that Judge Denise Cote has denied Apple's request for a stay of the case pending appeal.
    Article Link: DOJ Says Publishers Are Again Colluding in Objecting to Proposed Apple Penalty in E-Book Case
  2. ValSalva macrumors 68040


    Jun 26, 2009
    Burpelson AFB
    So the publishers collude, with or without Apple and yet Apple is the one who has to be punished. What a joke.
  3. Dulcimer macrumors 6502a


    Nov 20, 2012
    Ugh, what a mess. On one hand, Apple and the publishers did collude to bring up prices, which is bad for consumers. On the other, Amazon's loss leader strategy with ebooks would practically create a monopoly, which is bad for consumers and the publishers. Now that this thing could be pushed all the way to 2014 is even more aggravating.

    Regardless, the DoJ has no right telling Apple what they should do with their App Store.
  4. Solomani macrumors 68040


    Sep 25, 2012
    Alberto, Canado
    Wow, the DOJ is looking more and more pathetic.

    I'm glad that the DOJ is showing its true colors in this new accusation: paranoid and incompetent.
  5. Banyan Bruce macrumors regular

    Banyan Bruce

    Jun 8, 2009
    Devon, UK
    Rough Justice

    This all seems a bit like using a very large hammer to crack a walnut to me.
    You're damned with the publishers and without them. Frankly, I'd just like to see the publishers swing and let Amazon jerk the leash.

    DOJ are playing very hardball, although this seems to be the American way these days. It's not a subtle, clever, clear or elegant punishment, just harsh.
  6. Porco macrumors 68030


    Mar 28, 2005
    lol, If this was all a story in a book people would say it was too far-fetched. :D
  7. bbeagle macrumors 68040


    Oct 19, 2010
    Buffalo, NY
    50% of the members here at MacRumors are colluding AGAINST Apple, saying bad stuff against Apple.

    50% of the members here at MacRumors are colluding FOR Apple, saying nice things about Apple.

    DOJ! DOJ!
  8. Rocketman macrumors 603


    The DOJ is having a temper tantrum. This is what judges are for, if they have any authority remaining whatsoever. The constitution and judiciary is supposed to protect us against an overzealous government. This government is clearly overzealous.
  9. ThisIsNotMe macrumors 68000

    Aug 11, 2008
    Don't you just LOVE the progressive perversion of the commerce clause being used as a tool to tell business what they can and cannot do?

    You make it impossible for a corporation to conduct business in the United States and then bitch and moan when they offshore jobs and keep profits overseas.

    Why would a corporation reward a population and the government it elects when that population/government does everything within its legal (and made up) power to prevent that corporation from doing business?

    Fight the good fight Apple. Keep that ~$100 billion overseas and invest in companies in other countries!!!
  10. dBeats macrumors 6502a


    Jun 21, 2011
    And still nobody cares about what the Authors and Mom and Pop Bookstores think.....At this rate they'll be no more books sold at all. What a mess...
  11. joshuarayer Suspended

    Jan 28, 2009
    I would have to say you are wrong on both counts of it being bad. If Amazon is willing to buy an ebook for $10 and sell it for $7, then that is great for the consumers because they get it for cheaper and great for the publisher because they arent getting a cut in pay like the 30% cut from Apple. I agree that it could be viewed as a monopoly if no one ever bought ebooks from B&N or Apple though.
  12. Mackan macrumors 65816

    Sep 16, 2007
  13. Kabeyun macrumors 65816


    Mar 27, 2004
    Eastern USA
    "Banded together"? Banded together?! Really?!
    So any time more than one entity shares an opinion it's a conspiracy?

    Good lord.
  14. ArtOfWarfare macrumors G3


    Nov 26, 2007
    Is there a process for throwing out the DOJ immediately other than having a revolution? IE, some kind of special election the states can demand or something?
  15. Kabeyun macrumors 65816


    Mar 27, 2004
    Eastern USA
    Yeah, it could be "viewed" like that. Imagine if Carlos Slim Helu, with his $73,000,000,000 fortune decided to pay publishers whatever they wanted for e-books and sell them to us for a nickel. What does he care? His billion-dollar businesses cover the loss a billion times over and he still goes to bed filthy rich. Plus no one buys e-books from anyone else. And while they're shopping for e-books, maybe they'll buy an America Movil phone card.

    Now you understand the Amazon e-book model. And the DOJ has a problem with ... wait for it ... Apple.
  16. Consultant macrumors G5


    Jun 27, 2007
    How about DOJ investigate
    - Amazon's predatory monopoly
    - high health care price in the US
    - Google / Samsung using SEPs as weapons
  17. OllyW Moderator


    Staff Member

    Oct 11, 2005
    The Black Country, England
    The publishers didn't fight the case and have already paid the damages awarded against them. Only Apple chose to fight the case.
  18. Solomani macrumors 68040


    Sep 25, 2012
    Alberto, Canado

    The head of the DOJ is the Attorney General. In this case, it's Obama's BFF pal Eric Holder. The office is appointed by the President. It is not an elected position, hence you cannot vote him out of office.

    Highly unlikely that POTUS will throw out one of his own close pals from office.
  19. ValSalva macrumors 68040


    Jun 26, 2009
    Burpelson AFB
    So the publishers have nothing to lose now, as evidenced by the DOJ statement. What a mess for Apple.

    This has been a rough week. First Firefox 23 stops supporting the <blink> tag and now this! ;)
  20. ck2875 macrumors 6502a


    Mar 25, 2009
  21. Shaun, UK macrumors 68040

    Mar 23, 2006
    The publishers have all already pleaded guilty and agreed to pay fines. Apple was the only one who refused to settle and take it to court.
  22. herr_neumann macrumors 6502


    Mar 27, 2003
    Roseville, Ca
    I am guessing this attorney was not on the team that negotiated with the publishers to finalize their settlements. He probably should have talked to his colleagues that did finalize those settlements before proposing something that would violate them. You can only overreach so far before you get slapped down.
  23. gatearray macrumors 65816

    Apr 24, 2010
    I thought that was called "dumping" and is illegal. It's only used as a means to crush competition by making it impossible for any other business to compete, while Amazon can afford to take the loss for a while until the other guys go out of business.
  24. TMay macrumors 68000

    Dec 24, 2001
    Carson City, NV
    If price is the only factor, then selling at a loss undercuts sellers that require a profit to operate, i.e., most anybody in business.

    Amazon sells best sellers at a loss and makes it up on sales of unrelated products. To me, that is predatory pricing.
  25. aristotle macrumors 68000


    Mar 13, 2007
    Apple should just move their HQ to another country like Canada.

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