Again, case law supports applying the Sherman Antitrust Act to companies that are not absolute monopolies. In fact, there is such a case against Google that is ongoing.60% does not make a monopoly.
Again, case law supports applying the Sherman Antitrust Act to companies that are not absolute monopolies. In fact, there is such a case against Google that is ongoing.60% does not make a monopoly.
Mac has ~100m users. Apple has over ~1 billion. Different scales entirely.That's a superficial (and Apple marketing inspired) take. OSX had the ability to download from anywhere for decades. Do you remember how prolific viruses and malware was on OSX? It was still a drop in the ocean against Windows, so perhaps question your perspective and consider that free software markets have worked safely and very well for many, many years before Apple locked it all down to make more money.
Consumers are "locked" into Apple's ecosystem by their own choice. I have a friend who used to be an iphone user and now he uses Android. No one stopped him from switching.The DOJ accused Apple of a smartphone monopoly in the United States...... claiming that consumers are "locked" into Apple's ecosystem.
A phone and an iPad are more personal, private and sensitive devices than a computer, because they go everywhere you go. Malware could cause a disaster, eavesdropping, capturing your voice, using your phone to send spam and fraudulent messages, etc.That's a superficial (and Apple marketing inspired) take. OSX had the ability to download from anywhere for decades. Do you remember how prolific viruses and malware was on OSX? It was still a drop in the ocean against Windows, so perhaps question your perspective and consider that free software markets have worked safely and very well for many, many years before Apple locked it all down to make more money.
Why would it? Does a galaxy watch work with every phone?Your hammer works with any nails.
Your Apple Watch does not work with every phone.
For a long time cheap Android phones didn't have NFC, that's true. But that was as much Android manufacturers doing market segmentation as anything else. And it sucks for them that they helped artificially create categories in which they were not prepared to compete.The plaintiffs allege the existence of a “performance smartphone” market consisting of 70% iPhones. Apple argued that even if that’s true, no prior antitrust case exists involving less than a 75% market share. The judge disagreed with Apple and said that this submarket exists and that 70% is sufficient. The judge pointed to lack of NFC chips in cheap Android smartphones as evidence of the difference between smartphones and performance smartphones (crazy — the iPhone itself didn’t have an NFC chip until the iPhone 6). Apple will continue to hammer on this weakness in the plaintiffs’ case perhaps in a discretionary appeal given the magnitude of this issue but definitely in summary judgment.
How can Apple have a monopoly when Android exists? I'm confused.
Edit: Don't get why some are "disagree" reacting to a question. Thanks to those who explained.
It looks like that judge has received higher motivation to be so passionate about it.The plaintiffs allege the existence of a “performance smartphone” market consisting of 70% iPhones. Apple argued that even if that’s true, no prior antitrust case exists involving less than a 75% market share. The judge disagreed with Apple and said that this submarket exists and that 70% is sufficient. The judge pointed to lack of NFC chips in cheap Android smartphones as evidence of the difference between smartphones and performance smartphones (crazy — the iPhone itself didn’t have an NFC chip until the iPhone 6). Apple will continue to hammer on this weakness in the plaintiffs’ case perhaps in a discretionary appeal given the magnitude of this issue but definitely in summary judgment.
Real question, not trying to be coy or anything. Isn't Apple's choices being a monopoly just within their ecosystem? If Apple raised price and Google didn't, wouldn't that mean that people could just purchase the Google equivalent and avoid paying the higher cost? How is Mercedes controlling their market of people then not the same? It seems silly since people can buy a BMW or Audi if they don't like the features/pricing structure of Mercedes. People can buy Google, Samsung, etc... if they don't like the practices of Apple or vice versa. I don't see how with MANY smartphone options and two distinct platforms that any one of them controls the overall market.This is about the abuse of “monopoly power” in the sense of the Sherman Act. From https://legal.thomsonreuters.com/blog/antitrust-law-basics-section-2-of-the-sherman-act/:
“Once there is a properly defined relevant market (product and geography), the next step is to determine whether any of the competitors in that market – including your company – have monopoly power. Monopoly power is the ability to exclude competition or raise prices and not have any competitive consequences. Anti-trust regulators define the latter as the ability to raise prices by 5% and keep them at that level without losing sales. Market share in the relevant market is also a test. If a company has over 70% market share, it is likely considered a monopolist. If the company has less than 50% market share, it probably is not. If the company has between 50% and 70% it falls into a grey zone. ”
It’s also not illegal to have a monopoly, but it’s illegal to use anticompetitive means in order to reach or maintain it:
“There is a common misperception that having a monopoly is bad or illegal in and of itself. It’s not. It is perfectly legal in the US for a company to have a monopoly and charge the maximum amount the market will bear. If a company achieves a monopoly because of superior products or business acumen, or by historical accident, it is absolutely 100% fine. Where a monopolist gets in trouble is when it attempts to obtain or maintain a monopoly position through anticompetitive means (“exclusionary conduct”).”
This is what Apple is being accused of, among other things due to the way they lock in developers and users.
The DOJ accused Apple of a smartphone monopoly in the United States, citing Apple's restriction of third-party access to Apple services and features and claiming that consumers are "locked" into Apple's ecosystem.
It's crazy that multiple government bodies around the world are picking up the same fight with Apple. Wonder what's up with that? Starting to think they're actually doing something wrong or shady!
Because truly you should have like/dislike or agree/disagree. I strongly suspect the new choices are one of those subliminal things to reduce forum conflict so we have a like/disagree and less perceived negativity.Edit: Don't get why some are "disagree" reacting to a question. Thanks to those who explained.
Weird. Microsoft has an 80% monopoly of the computer OS market, and yet I'm not seeing any lawsuits against that. That's as obvious as a monoply can ever be. Near total hegemony.
Apple has monopoly on iphones and ios...How can Apple have a monopoly when Android exists? I'm confused.
Edit: Don't get why some are "disagree" reacting to a question. Thanks to those who explained.
Weird. Microsoft has an 80% monopoly of the computer OS market, and yet I'm not seeing any lawsuits against that. That's as obvious as a monoply can ever be. Near total hegemony.
The closed ecosystem and vertical integration is what I like.The closed ecosystem is one of the reasons I'm thinking about leaving.
I'm really getting tired of companies inserting theirselves as middlemen.
Of course just an opinion. Legally we’ll see where it goes in the US.[…]
The internet was not designed to be a closed platform and neither should mobile computing platforms.
Ferrari uses the same steel, aluminum, and other metals that’s taken from same ground that Honda builds their cars from. And yet….Apple built their empire on top of open source software and the open exchange of knowledge, ideas and services the internet used to stand for.
Neither is Apple. But when you want to do something not supported by the manufacturer the manufacturer is not obliged to support you. Try installing windows x64 on a Samsung galaxy.Microsoft isn't stopping you from installing any OS you want on the hardware, nor are they restricting you from installing whatever software you want.
True, but as an iOS user I find that Apple has a 100% market share on app distribution. Admittedly it's not an identical situation, but in the 90's I could have purchased a mac and Word Perfect, and avoided Microsoft too.That ignores market share. Microsoft Windows had a 90+% market share of the computer business. Now, some of the arguments were around anti-competitive and monopolistic actions Microsoft used within the Windows world (IE took over from Netscape because of Microsoft's bundling of it with the OS), but the fact of the matter is that while iOS is a 'monopoly' on iPhones, iOS is still only about a 55% market share in the United States. That makes this more of a difficult case for the DOJ to win.
Neither is Apple. But when you want to do something not supported by the manufacturer the manufacturer is not obliged to support you. Try installing windows x64 on a Samsung galaxy.
I’m sorry. What are you talking about. They are not stopping anybody from installing alternatives. Because one doesn’t have enough technical knowledge doesn’t mean they are stopping anybody from using their phone the way they want. Same as installing windows x64 on a galaxy. Is Samsung stopping anyone from doing it?Apple, on iOS, is absolutely stopping people from installing alternative OS and certainly software from anywhere but them.
What are you talking about?
Apple doesn't let me, a developer, write an app and put it on my phone to use.I’m sorry. What are you talking about. They are not stopping anybody from installing alternatives. Because one doesn’t have enough technical knowledge doesn’t mean they are stopping anybody from using their phone the way they want. Same as installing windows x64 on a galaxy. Is Samsung stopping anyone from doing it?