DOJ's iPhone Monopoly Case Against Apple Moves Forward

[turbineseaplane]

In no world, with no amount of technical knowledge, can I permanently install an app I wrote on my phone.

Thank you.
Very nicely put.

 

[I7guy]

Apple doesn't let me, a developer, write an app and put it on my phone to use.

I can, at best, install it temporarily to test, but I will need to re-install it every few weeks I believe. IIRC, it was limited to just 3 days at one point. If I pay Apple $99, I can install my app for up to a year. In no world, with no amount of technical knowledge, can I permanently install an app I wrote on my phone.

So Apple does let you or they don’t let you install an app albeit permanently or not?

 

[tubular]

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[tubular]

How can Apple have a monopoly when Android exists?

By contributing insufficiently to Trump. He sees a big pot of money that isn't his, and he wants to change that. And a fully politicized and partisan DOJ is only too happy to help him to it.

 

[Ctrlos]

Of course just an opinion. Legally we’ll see where it goes in the US.

Ferrari uses the same steel, aluminum, and other metals that’s taken from same ground that Honda builds their cars from. And yet….

.....roads are 100% compatible with every single car.

 

[Ethosik]

They have a monopoly on API access on their own platform making it difficult for other companies to compete at an even level. And if Microsoft couldn't make a 3rd platform work then what chance does a random startup in Reno? It's impossible to build a competing platform to the Apple/Google duopoly. That's the point of the antitrust cases.

I think the creator of the operating system should have more control of it. This is clearly an issue with Windows and the CrowdStrike situation.

 

[Ethosik]

Can you explain this further? How am I locked into Apple any more than I’m locked into the nearest hardware store? How are developers locked in any more than DeWalt is to that hardware store?

Sure, if DeWalt wants to sell to me they should probably be in my local store, as they are unlikely to make a measuring tape so much better that I’ll go out of my way for it. Is that locked in?

I literally had people tell me since I’m locked in to Spectrum ISP that it was easier to MOVE than to switch phones. It’s ridiculous discussing with people sometimes.

 

[surferfb]

Apple doesn't let me, a developer, write an app and put it on my phone to use.

I can, at best, install it temporarily to test, but I will need to re-install it every few weeks I believe. IIRC, it was limited to just 3 days at one point. If I pay Apple $99, I can install my app for up to a year. In no world, with no amount of technical knowledge, can I permanently install an app I wrote on my phone.

Apple isn't preventing you from jailbreaking the device and installing your app on it. Apple doesn't have to make it easy for you.

 

[ZiBart]

The only people that want this is lobbyists "giving" millions into government official "campaigns" to get their way. Good ol' American democracy.

 

[I7guy]

.....roads are 100% compatible with every single car.

And yet others used the same foundation of open source to build their closed ecosystems.

 

[Eriamjh1138@DAN]

I’ve never been impressed with Apple’s lame arguments in many court cases. I swear most of them are Peter Griffin just saying “Come onnnnn!”

 

[masterhiggins]

So...android is only capable of competing with tech affirmative action? Sounds bleeding-edge.

 

[jimbobb24]

This is going to be tough. We are getting close to deciding every device with a processor should have an operating system and be open access. Not great for those who like walled gardens like the iPhone or Switch.

 

[turbineseaplane]

We are getting close to deciding every device with a processor should have an operating system and be open access.

I'm still waiting to hear the problem.
😂

 

[thejadedmonkey]

So Apple does let you or they don’t let you install an app albeit permanently or not?

Does not.

 

[ginkobiloba]

Microsoft isn't stopping you from installing any OS you want on the hardware, nor are they restricting you from installing whatever software you want.

Uh... I can absolutely install any software I want on my Mac . Have you ever used a mac ?

Also, try installing Linux on Microsoft hardware ( a Surface for example ) : " installing Linux on a Surface device is not officially supported by Microsoft, and doing so may void your warranty."( from MS website ).

So yes, Microsoft stops you from installing any other OS than Windows on their hardware, by voiding the warranty.

 

[macsimcon]

More antitrust action against Apple is always good. 🥳

Having monopoly power in a legal sense does not mean that there's literally only one company controlling all of the market:

States the FTC: "Courts do not require a literal monopoly before applying rules for single firm conduct"

True, but Apple does not control the smartphone market, and hence has neither a monopoly nor monopoly power over that market.

 

[macsimcon]

This is what happens when you don’t bribe Congress. Can someone sit the most miserly CEO in America down and explain to Timmy how the United States of Corporations actually functions?

 

[turbineseaplane]

This is what happens when you don’t bribe Congress. Can someone sit the most miserly CEO in America down and explain to Timmy how the United States of Corporations actually functions?

Tim tried! 1MM wasn't nearly enough though.

The ante has been majorly raised.
Bigly, one might say.

 

[ginkobiloba]

True, but Apple does not control the smartphone market, and hence has neither a monopoly nor monopoly power over that market.

indeed, Google's Android is 70.8–72% of the global mobile OS market, while iOS is 28–29.2%

in fact, I don't even think Apple has a monopoly in any market ( maybe smartwatches ? ) .Just because they're making tons of money on margins doesn't mean they're a monopoly.

 

[Ctrlos]

And yet others used the same foundation of open source to build their closed ecosystems.

And there are innumerable manufacturers to choose from. When you're in an industry of two players, its a problem.

 

[BaldiMac]

And there are innumerable manufacturers to choose from. When you're in an industry of two players, its a problem.

Two players? There are dozen of smartphone manufacturers.

 

[AppliedMicro]

but Apple does not control the smartphone market, and hence has neither a monopoly nor monopoly power over that market.

Completely agree - but they do enjoy monopoly power on app distribution (of mobile apps to consumers).

 

[AppliedMicro]

Google's Android is 70.8–72% of the global mobile OS market, while iOS is 28–29.2%

iOS customers spend more on average.
By numerous estimates, Apple commands about 50% of mobile app spending.

(Which, of course, is a very relevant metric for any developer developing and marketing such an app or service)

 

[BaldiMac]

Completely agree - but they do enjoy monopoly power on app distribution (of mobile apps to consumers).

Hah! Never thought I'd see you come out against this lawsuit!