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Donald Trump Says Apple Won't Be Granted Tariff Relief on Mac Pro Parts Made in China: 'Make Them in The USA, No Tariffs!'

I don't want goods built in the US. If presented with a blind decision to buy a piece of technology made in the US or overseas without knowing what the product is first, I'll choose the foreign made good.

Until conservatives are willing to back their divisive rhetoric by investing in education, infrastructure, healthcare, any effort to produce physical technical products here in the US will be problematic.
 
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burgman said:
Such hypocrisy, so many shout buy made America while driving to Walmart and other stores that nothing is sold from America. They do it because they shop price first, well guess what companies don’t pay tarriffs.
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Not just here but when the buyers/importers go to China to place orders for US market the majority are also price conscious and only want to order the cheaper products using the cheaper materials. Not all of course but many don’t want to pay more. Look at Microsoft as an example on the new Surface Pro 6 there is no Thunderbolt 3 Port because one port would cost them $40 licensing fee and they didn’t want to add $40 licensing fee to their cost then you figure another $5-10 for other parts and you have basically an additional expense of $45. Intel charges a licensing fee for each Thunderbolt 3 port. The MacBook Pro that has 4 for example costs Apple around $160 for licensing fees alone. As big as Microsoft is and as rich as they are they didn’t want to fork out any money for the Thunderbolt 3 ports/s. Not all but many if not most are very price conscious these days in America.
 
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stylinexpat said:
Not just here but when the buyers/importers go to China to place orders for US market the majority are also price conscious and only want to order the cheaper products using the cheaper materials. Not all of course but many don’t want to pay more. Look at Microsoft as an example on the new Surface Pro 6 there is no Thunderbolt 3 Port because one port would cost them $40 licensing fee and they didn’t want to add $40 licensing fee to their cost then you figure another $5-10 for other parts and you have basically an additional expense of $45. Intel charges a licensing fee for each Thunderbolt 3 port. The MacBook Pro that has 4 for example costs Apple around $160 for licensing fees alone. As big as Microsoft is and as rich as they are they didn’t want to fork out any money for the Thunderbolt 3 ports/s. Not all but many if not most are very price conscious these days in America.
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Intel developed thunderbolt 3 in collaboration with Apple. The fruit doesn't pay the license numbers you claim.
 
Sedulous said:
And yet the US manages to manufacture planes, cars, satellites, robots, etc... I believe Tim Apple is making excuses. Obviously manufacturing can be done in the US and particularly where precision and quality is an actual concern.
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What other US manufactures of high-volume consumer electronics (computers/phones/etc) are being manufactured in the US?
 
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nvmls said:
Intel developed thunderbolt 3 in collaboration with Apple. The fruit doesn't pay the license numbers you claim.
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technically nobody is :p

Apple didnt own the licensing to TB3, while they helped deliver, it was Intel who owned the exclusve right to sell the licenses.

last year, intel announed TB3 licensing would become free (to hep adoption)

I guarantee you, that "savings" from not paying licensing was never realized by the end consumer, but taken as additional profit margin for the company.
 
citysnaps said:
Are the Dell/HP/etc computers the Mac Pro competes with manufactured in the US?
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Ok, Lenovo (North Carolina) and HP (Indiana and Texas) make computers in the USA. But more broadly, pleny of consumer products are manufactured in the US. Weber grills, Gibson guitars, Wilson footballs, Crayola Crayons, New Balance shoes, Gillette razors, Zippo lighters, Louisville Sluggers, Benjamin Moore paint, K’nex, Post-it Notes, Pyrex, Igloo coolers, Heritage Bikes, Smith and Wesson, Slinkys, Viking appliances, Steinway pianos, Nordic Ware, Leatherman, Martin Guitars, Cutco Knives, most Intel chips, Micron RAM and SSDs, PNY RAM and SSDs, Samsung NAND, etc etc.

Again, it appears it is certainly possible to manufacture not only high-tech/ high-precision/ low volume goods in the US (everything from interplanetary robots to electric cars). Many high quality consumer goods ARE also currently still made in the US too. So to the post that said there is no manufacturing in the US, this evidence seems to the contrary.
 
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developer13245 said:
Just raise the price to cover the tariff. Pros can afford it :)
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For sure! $8,000 should cover the tariff with Apple retaining their reasonable GPM.

Pros get their machines. And the moaners will have a week’s worth of whines to keep them going. A two-fer.
 
China can't freaking wait I'm sure lol
[doublepost=1564370111][/doublepost]Make it American again, Make it great again, if it fails just let Apple die .. that's fine ..
 
It would likely be a decade or multi-decade long transition to have a lot of things made here again the way people romanticize about, at great cost to everyone's personal pocketbook as well as retirement (due to widespread company impact). There's no "just do it, simple right?" Also, American consumers and the entire market here is used to what X costs or "should cost" given recent history. Getting an entire consumer base (not just tech buyers) to slowly transition over to paying higher prices for things made here, with already difficult retail competition between businesses who are right here at home, would not be easy.

I honestly don't think people are as willing to pay more for things across a broad range of categories as they let on.
 
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low wage manufacturing w2 employment is not sustainable
America is not a big market in itself.
 
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norbinhouston said:
The US can build those things again. Its not like we don't know how. We just need some incentive.
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We could build those things again, be we would never be competitive, not even close. Our minimum wage is way too high to compete with other countries' minimum wages. That isn't even considering that they would be specialized jobs, that would be expected to be paid a lot more than minimum wage.
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Tokenfreak said:
I love Trump! He is the man! Glad he is sticking to his gun and not giving Apple an exception. They need to build them here and bring jobs back to America!
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The Steel tariff that Trump imposed created 8700 jobs across the eight steel companies here in America. But the increase in prices of steel has made companies across the US to layoff 94,300. So...He's not doing a good job of bringing back jobs, he's cost more than he's created. His heart is in the right place, and I feel like he really wants to help, but he doesn't understand politics and the economy enough not to screw it up.
 
all this is a smoke screen
but
individual states should set their own import limits?
 
Sedulous said:
Ok, Lenovo (North Carolina) and HP (Indiana and Texas) make computers in the USA. But more broadly, pleny of consumer products are manufactured in the US. Weber grills, Gibson guitars, Wilson footballs, Crayola Crayons, New Balance shoes, Gillette razors, Zippo lighters, Louisville Sluggers, Benjamin Moore paint, K’nex, Post-it Notes, Pyrex, Igloo coolers, Heritage Bikes, Smith and Wesson, Slinkys, Viking appliances, Steinway pianos, Nordic Ware, Leatherman, Martin Guitars, Cutco Knives, most Intel chips, Micron RAM and SSDs, PNY RAM and SSDs, Samsung NAND, etc etc.

Again, it appears it is certainly possible to manufacture not only high-tech/ high-precision/ low volume goods in the US (everything from interplanetary robots to electric cars). Many high quality consumer goods ARE also currently still made in the US too. So to the post that said there is no manufacturing in the US, this evidence seems to the contrary.
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Point taken, and one could do worse than read up on (or take a tour on) how some of those items get made. A favorite book of mine is in fact James Barron's Piano: The Making of a Steinway Concert Grand.

And... my most favorite kitchen item is a set of Fletcher's little Maine-made hardwood nesting boxes to store spices, herbs etc and sit in each other when not in use...

However: the point being made by some in this thread remains: it's one thing to elect to make things here and succeed in finding an overall market that covers costs and affords a profit margin... but quite another thing to have a President of the USA decide to slap a tariff on your goods because you move a supply chain back to China, having found it impossible to lay hands on enough USA-made components in timely fashion to make the thing in its entirety in the USA. That kind of tariff application just smacks of political grandstanding.
 
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GizmoDVD said:
The dozens of people who were going to buy this are disappointed.

But really...good. Keep the jobs in the USA
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Assembly jobs we’re talking about here, the lowest paying kind. This assembly will be a lot more heavily auto,aged than what the Mac Pro 2013-2018 model had.

I’m curious how much you’re willing to be, should the choice be there own, that your daughter, son, and youth cousins, nieces & nephews would not want to work at an apple assembly plant for minimum wage and no chance at an engineering course to degree paid for by apple. If the course and degree was paid by apple then definitely could be worthwhile. That’s what it’ll take.

Jobs are important yet Trumps wailing about American jobs, yet doesn’t speak of the median income level of those jobs growth. Bloomberg..

Jaro65 said:
Why would Tim Apple even think they would be granted a tariff waiver?
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Number 41 said:
Trump is a clown.

Having said that -- good. Keep the jobs in America. Pay American wages. Operate under American labor / safety laws. Abide by American environmental regulations.
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