Except those jobs are going to be filled by robots, not from our blue collar workforce.
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Donald Trump Tells Tim Cook He'll Offer Apple 'Very Large Tax Cut' to Make Products in America
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Except those jobs are going to be filled by robots, not from our blue collar workforce.
Yep..that why Trump makes his clothing in China and other third world countries..
He want more profits,great margins..
Why won't Trump or Ivanka make clothes in the US??Weird right??
And perhaps now Trump can use tax payer money to incentive his own Company ..and still not make products in the US..
Who invited the negative downer to the party? So no humans work at Foxconn? No jobs there huh? Your comment is false right from the beginning.Won't happen for at least 10 years and even if it does these types of jobs are for Robotics, no longer done by humans. So there's little jobs to be gained from this transition. Just smoke and mirrors, put Made in USA on the product and suddenly we are great again.. please.. If I was Apple I wouldn't even bother, tax break?? Seriously? Cook and his team claim they pay their normal fair share of taxes.. oh wait.. didn't they get busted for not paying correctly (overseas)?? This whole thing makes no sense anyway. The only way to get jobs here is to go back to innovation, we need to invent something new.. or have some company like Apple invent something new.. then start with that product, make it here in house from the ground up and that's where your jobs will be. You can't get jobs from old technologies.. even the iPhone by the time it would be moved to be all in house in the USA will be old. It's the excitement of the innovation that should drive us to do great things. Sadly that was lost long ago to people who were all about greed.. as if 10billion wasn't enough already.. shoot for 100 and put people out of work.. zero innovation, zero drive to explore...
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And with that post.. back to my daily life.. Happy Thanksgiving everyone.
Obama tried to create tax incentives to discourage offshoring and was rebuked at every step by the GOP.
Large corporate tax cuts only help corporations and the top earners, his promises of large cuts will do nothing for the regular Joe. Trickle down economics has been debunked. That being said, Apple, Trump, Microsoft, Gas Companies, Wall Street millionaires will benefit greatly.
In case you haven't been keeping up... In May of this year Foxconn replaced 60,000 jobs with robots, and the pace of replacing humans with robots is expected to increase.
You're stopping short of the logical extension of this line of thinking.
We've made the costs of labor in the US extremely high due to all kinds of regulations. Minimum wages, health care, employee and employer level taxes, etc. We've done this largely because we think everyone should have a "living wage", "access to health care" and pay for things like safety nets (social security, unemployment insurance, etc). More than that, we've imposed regulations on how clean doing business needs to be, from everything to costs of energy to the production of the product. So, what we've done is taken jobs away from people who's labor is not "worth" paying for all those things and moved the job to a place that has decided not to care about those things.
This is one of the great hypocrisies in the modern liberal mindset. This idea that we can both have and should support globalization and free trade, but that we should also have this free trade with countries that do not meet our standards. So, instead of having livable jobs here in the US, we're supporting sending jobs overseas where companies need nets on their buildings and/or the air quality is horrifying (which damages the planet in ways we eventually see too).
This is why free trade is BS and the combination of the factors above is leading to the increasing disparity between the haves and the have-nots. If you're relatively rich, you can, among other things, take advantage of "free trade" to sell cheap stuff on the back of non-US labor, but then if you're not rich and lower down the education scale, you have trouble finding jobs because your labor has been priced out of the country.
To help remedy these problems, we should be imposing tariffs on products produced by means we have decided are not acceptable or scale back the costs of labor domestically. Basically, we either need to bring the cost of foreign labor up (either through tariffs or the political pressure of tariffs that causes other countries to adopt our standards), bring our cost of labor down, or I suppose more effectively, some of both.
Incorrect.. by the time they are moved here is what I was saying. Not being negative at all, my comments are completely realistic.
I still see plenty of Chinese standing on the floors of Foxconn, etc.
But a robotic 'workforce' is another topic altogether, and one which is increasingly facing blow back. As a company, don't expect the general public to be okay with you sacrificing people's livelihoods in pursuit of the almighty dollar, and still take advantage of all the perks of doing business in the US. People are starting to call BS on that.
It is and strangely enough, it is the one product that Apple show no interest in!
Except when you have a chance to build new, what do you think a company will do? Build a plant with 10s of thousands of blue collar workers or a plant totally automated. Remember robots can work 24 hours straight without a breaks, no complaining of work conditions, or having to put up those pesky suicide nets.
So there's no humans working at foxconn? Nothing for America to gain by producing iPhones here? Sounds like your business would fail if you were in charge.
I don't think you understand the difference between the economic structures.. Foxconn structure is human.. moving those jobs here will not transition to human jobs. Our economic structure is completely different. We will make those jobs robotic just like several other plants still running in America have done. The cost would be to great for the end user to allow such an economic job structure change such as the one people assume we can handle, very much old thinking. There's no progress here. It's easier for Foxconn to change to robotics than the USA market to change to Human work forces.
Except that this type of work is moving to robots anyway. Just like the promise to bring coal back when the free market has chosen natural gas.
Words and nothing else.
In FACT there are millions of Americans who are looking forward to having a job and put food on their tables, why would there be any room at the dinner table to be "picky and choosy" about a job at that point though?
Just because some people fantasize themselves on a thrown doesn't mean other people in the world don't dream of getting out of grave poverty right?
He wasn't president then. Give it some time, geez! And please tell me you're not still mad that Trump won right?
I don't think you understand economics. Hyperinflation does not come from lowering taxes or increasing production. It is a monetary phenomenon where the currency loses value. The dollar had been gaining on Trump's win and continues to go up on news like this. This is the opposite of hyperinflation.
Secondly, it's nice to have a businessman in the white house. Very few past Presidents have ever run a business and had to make payroll. There's a big difference between theory and practice.
What's wrong with corporate tax cuts for Apple? They have almost $300B outside the US. 10% of something is better than 35% of nothing.
The US was greatest in the past not just because we built things here but because we exported things. We've run massive trade deficits since the 90s. That had to change and this is a good way to do it.
He's not singling out Apple. He's lowering the corporate tax rate which helps all companies who have an offshore stash of cash. Apple happens to have the most.
Um, no.
Most of the people with the vocational skills you speak of are already employed and making far more money than they could possibly hope to make performing the sort of manual labor that goes into iPhone assembly.
There is also the question of scale: FoxConn and other companies operate assembly operations that are centralized and massive. They rely on close proximity to a vast network of suppliers that could not reasonably be replicated in the United States. Modern mass-market assembly relies on "Just In Time" inventory management, where deliveries are made to the final assembly facility on a sometimes hourly basis. Meaning a truck leaves the supplier factory, drives a few miles, and delivers it at the assembly location, where it incorporated into a finished product within hours of receipt.
You can't do that with supplier factories located on the other side of the world.
The "massive" part of the equation bears consideration also. Where are you going to put an assembly complex that can accommodate tens of thousands of workers? Are these US workers going to live in dormitories like Foxconn and Pegatron workers? Are they going to take mass transit to commute to and from work? Or do you expect these Apple suppliers to build massive parking lots to hold all their cars? How is Foxconn going to respond to the vast fluctuations in demand? Are they going to have to hire and train tens of thousands of US workers in the build-up to the introduction of each new model iPhone - only to lay them off as demand stabilizes in the middle of each product life-cycle. In China, such workers can be shuttled among the thousands of other products Foxconn assembles for other companies.
The more you know about, and the closer you look at the way Apple products such as the iPhone are made, the more you will see the absolute impossibility of large-scale assembly of mass-market consumer electronic good like the iPhone in the United States.
If Donald Trump wants to spend tens of billions of dollars to create jobs for Americans with vocational skills he could propose infrastructure projects, like fixing the roads, bridges, ports, levees, and power and telecommunications grids of this country. Something that will benefit every citizen and business in this country every day of their lives - whether they actually get one of the new Trump infrastructure jobs or not.
Why is it good to bring back more jobs here if it means that the product is now more expensive to make? What if Apple makes less money as a result? What if I have to pay more for the phone as a result? What if the phone isn't as well made as a result? There are reasons Apple chose China in the first place, what about all the negative consequences?
Why is the 'greater good' the standard by which we should judge something as 'good' or 'bad'? Why isn't it 'good' to protect Apple's right to make whatever they want, wherever they want, with whomever they would like to make it?
How is the American tax payer "subsidizing" the $600B Corporation? By stealing less money from them than they are otherwise 'entitled' to steal? As though the theft is legitimized because we all got together and voted to do it? Therefore it's right, and we are now entitled to it?
China is rejecting/limiting Apple products and services these days. They are not accepting them, except for providing jobs. We are talking about a multi-billion dollar operation. Trump and most others know that suppliers will either move or find a way to keep their train hitched to Apple.