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There is 0 benefit to Apple consumers and investors to have phones made here. The quality of the phone would either be the same or worse because they would need to start cutting costs to make up for the increased $$$ you have to pay people here. You would only make them here to score politcal points which is stupid.
 
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In case you haven't been keeping up... In May of this year Foxconn replaced 60,000 jobs with robots, and the pace of replacing humans with robots is expected to increase.
Ok you're right. Lets do NOTHING about the situation. Happy?
 
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It's the method of bring those jobs back that is questionable.

What "substantial regulation cuts" is trump proposing? Does you think regulations exist merely to punish corporations?
No, but many serve as to-do lists for peck-sniff chair warmers at the "enforcement" levels of various agencies. Anyone who has run a small business understands this, government by its nature is parasitic.
 
I don't think you understand economics. Hyperinflation does not come from lowering taxes or increasing production. It is a monetary phenomenon where the currency loses value. The dollar had been gaining on Trump's win and continues to go up on news like this. This is the opposite of hyperinflation.

Secondly, it's nice to have a businessman in the white house. Very few past Presidents have ever run a business and had to make payroll. There's a big difference between theory and practice.

What's wrong with corporate tax cuts for Apple? They have almost $300B outside the US. 10% of something is better than 35% of nothing.

The US was greatest in the past not just because we built things here but because we exported things. We've run massive trade deficits since the 90s. That had to change and this is a good way to do it.

The problem with tax cuts to a single corporation is that it's impossible to differentiate between that and a bribe.

Tax policy should apply to everyone equally, not tailored to individual companies. Now it's quite possible that trump is talking about how a general policy could apply to an individual corporation. But I think it's important to clarify that and not appear as if the government is picking and choosing who it will favor in the marketplace.
 
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Given the disgraceful unemployment rate in the US, I'd say there are plenty of people available for those jobs. Once we get them off welfare and into the workforce.
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He's not singling out Apple. He's lowering the corporate tax rate which helps all companies who have an offshore stash of cash. Apple happens to have the most.

But Apple isn't going to use repatriated earnings to create subsidized jobs for low-skilled US workers. It just isn't. And neither is any other multinational corporation.

You either give a company a tax cut, or you don't. If I promised to give you a personal tax cut that worked out to be worth $10,000 to you, but only on the condition that you spent $10,000 in a way I specify - it's not really a tax cut, is it?
 
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Why is the 'greater good' the standard by which we should judge something as 'good' or 'bad'? Why isn't it 'good' to protect Apple's right to make whatever they want, wherever they want, with whomever they would like to make it?

Is that right being threatened? They're being offered an incentive. I assume they can turn it down, unless it's actually an ultimatum.
 
You have no idea how strong the US is.
There are 12M manufacturing jobs, and we can add 3M more (the ones we lost during the recession) very quickly.

Labor cost is the second or third out of main top3 cost components within production costs. I highly doubt, americans will work in factories for similar salaries as chinese.
 
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The problem with tax cuts to a single corporation is that it's impossible to differentiate between that and a bribe.

Tax policy should apply to everyone equally, not tailored to individual companies. Now it's quite possible that trump is talking about how a general policy could apply to an individual corporation. But I think it's important to clarify that and not appear as if the government is picking and choosing who it will favor in the marketplace.
As I said in another post, this would apply to all corporations. Apple just happens to be the biggest and with the most cash overseas.
 
Lower taxes?

They'll have to lower minimum wage to $2/hr and remove pollution, employment & human rights regulations in the U.S. if you want to even start competing with China.

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But Apple isn't going to use repatriated earnings to create subsidized jobs for low-skilled US workers. It just isn't. And neither is any other multinational corporation.

You either give a company a tax cut, or you don't. If I promised to give you a personal tax cut that worked out to be worth $10,000 to you, but only on the condition that you spent $10,000 in a way I specify - it's not really a tax cut, is it?
It depends on the way you do it. Bush had a tax holiday in 2004 and no jobs were created.

Trump could tie the taxes to infrastructure spending or to a jobs program. It's all in the details.
 
Except when you have a chance to build new, what do you think a company will do? Build a plant with 10s of thousands of blue collar workers or a plant totally automated. Remember robots can work 24 hours straight without a breaks, no complaining of work conditions, or having to put up those pesky suicide nets.

This is why we need to invest in 21st century technical education for our youth. A giant automated plant will still require a lot of skilled maintenance workers, engineers, etc. Why are we still not preparing our workforce for these 21st century jobs? The US could be a leader in automated production and it would still provide many good jobs, but it seems like we are stuck in the either you go to a 4 year university or work at McDonalds or Walmart phase.

Heck it's even a struggle to get a plumber in my area anymore because we have less and less students taking up skilled trades. Automated factories would have all sorts of skilled trades jobs available, but we need to also come up with a training plan and not just the factories. Maybe Bernie Sanders could work on that part of the equation.
 
Ok you're right. Lets do NOTHING about the situation. Happy?

I am saying that bringing manufacturing jobs back to the US is pie in the sky. How about this instead? Bring back the money overseas and the money you would have collected from taxes, let the company keep half, and put the other half into re-training and re-tooling our outdated blue collar workforce.
 
This is why we need to invest in 21st century technical education for our youth. A giant automated plant will still require a lot of skilled maintenance workers, engineers, etc. Why are we still not preparing our workforce for these 21st century jobs? The US could be a leader in automated production and it would still provide many good jobs, but it seems like we are stuck in the either you go to a 4 year university or work at McDonalds or Walmart phase.

Heck it's even a struggle to get a plumber in my area anymore because we have less and less students taking up skilled trades. Automated factories would have all sorts of skilled trades jobs available, but we need to also come up with a training plan and not just the factories. Maybe Bernie Sanders could work on that part of the equation.
Exactly. Look at what Tesla is doing.
 
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I'm sure others have pointed this out, but the issues I see are:

1) Those jobs are getting fewer and fewer as automation occurs
2) Those jobs are kinda seasonal/cyclical. They ramp up at product releases, then downsize of the lifetime of that product . Are people going to be happy with that type of job.
 
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We've seen that Apple under TC is profit margin model. So moving production to the US is likely not appealing at this moment.

And, I don't think TC, having built up an extensive supply chain with his wealth of experience will fall for Trump's 'Made in America' BS.

Trump has no concept of an international business that involves millions of stakeholders. He knows how to open pretty looking buildings by bullying suppliers, but thankfully that doesn't fly in a multinational company.

You have a moron as a president. He has only superficial knowledge of any topic. He tells people what they want to hear, which is why people fell for his campaign rhetoric, which he is now reneging on.

Heeeeeere comes hyperinflation.

I recommend that Trump supporters read this piece in its entirety:

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all

The short of it is that he is only concerned with himself and is quite bad at business.
You mean like every other politician?
 
...The dollar had been gaining on Trump's win and continues to go up on news like this. This is the opposite of hyperinflation.
A strong dollar means that your goods cost more than other nations. In addition to high labor and other costs, that will now be (has been) working against you.

Very few past Presidents have ever run a business and had to make payroll. There's a big difference between theory and practice.
Except he is president-elect of a ->country<-, not a ->business<-. One is a currency provider/manger, the other is a currency user. These "run the country like a business" points of view are as bad as "Well I can't deficit spend, why should the country be able to?" They are puerile points of view that do not match the reality of how things work.

What's wrong with corporate tax cuts for Apple? They have almost $300B outside the US. 10% of something is better than 35% of nothing.
Sure. And only the citizens of a country should fund the worlds largest, by far, armed forces, build its roads, and cover other operating costs. Big business should not have to pay any taxes and get a free ride on the backs of the people. Yes, that is hyperbole and, granted, modern tax policy in light of the new economy can be an issue to discuss. But this over simplification to sway voters one way or the other doesn't help.

The US was greatest in the past not just because we built things here but because we exported things.
And a strong dollar and high standard of living with governing health and environmental regulations all work against that goal in the global economy. What are you proposing to give up so that we can compete with the squalor of manufacturing in the third world or the environmental disaster area that are portions of China? There's no free lunch here and people thinking any president (all who have tried, BTW) will change that are deluding themselves.
 
Except that this type of work is moving to robots anyway. Just like the promise to bring coal back when the free market has chosen natural gas.

Words and nothing else.
And being the smart fellow that you are, you know that robotic equipment designs, manufactures and services itself, right? Have you ever done any hands-on work in your life?
 
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How is the American tax payer "subsidizing" the $600B Corporation? By stealing less money from them than they are otherwise 'entitled' to steal? As though the theft is legitimized because we all got together and voted to do it? Therefore it's right, and we are now entitled to it?

By stealing less money from Apple than smaller businesses. Large corporations already receive tax-advantaged status by their access to expensive tax attorneys that small businesses can't afford, which they use to pay far less than the stated nominal corporate tax rate. The government shouldn't be in charge of picking who the winners and losers are in the economy.
 
And being the smart fellow that you are, you know that robotic equipment designs, manufactures and services itself, right? Have you ever done any hands-on work in your life?

Obviously some people are required to design, set up, and maintain robotic systems, but far fewer than the work robots replace.
 
And being the smart fellow that you are, you know that robotic equipment designs, manufactures and services itself, right? Have you ever done any hands-on work in your life?

Are you seriously trying to state that technology cannot replace humans, in a forum about a company that innovated and completely redefines a lot of industries?
 
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