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Don't take it. Return your inferior mbps

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mmoran27

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I sadly returned my 13 mbp because I want to let apple know we are not stupid consumers.

Vote with your wallets. So they upped the quality of the screens but cut the processor cache, VRAM, and SATA performance by 1/2.

Please return it. And make sure the managers know why.

People who complain about us voicing dissatisfaction deserve exactly what they got - gimped laptops with last gen features SD card, SATA 1, etc. What's next floppy drives?

In the meantime enjoy your new macbook pro with slower transfer speeds than my mac mini :)
 
mmoran27 said:
I sadly returned my 13 mbp because I want to let apple know we are not stupid consumers.

Vote with your wallets. So they upped the quality of the screens but cut the processor cache, VRAM, and SATA performance by 1/2.

Please return it. And make sure the managers know why.
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Did you pay the restocking fee?
Is it 10%or 15%?
 
"Oh We're Not Gonna Take It
no, We Ain't Gonna Take It
oh We're Not Gonna Take It Anymore"

Twisted Sister anyone?? ;)
 
mmoran27 said:
I sadly returned my 13 mbp because I want to let apple know we are not stupid consumers.

Vote with your wallets. So they upped the quality of the screens but cut the processor cache, VRAM, and SATA performance by 1/2.

Please return it. And make sure the managers know why.
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VRAM? It's still 256Mb as in both previous MB Unibody.
Cache? It's still 3Mb L2 just like in both previous MB Unibody.
(P8400 + P8700 vs P7350 + P8600 is nice upgrade, as you get hardware Intel VT support in basic model)

Sata performance? Ok, that is real dissapointment (at least for SSD users) and another reason why I'll have a deeper look at 17" (I'm speaking about 15" SATA being 1.5G too)
 
mmoran27 said:
I sadly returned my 13 mbp because I want to let apple know we are not stupid consumers.

Vote with your wallets. So they upped the quality of the screens but cut the processor cache, VRAM, and SATA performance by 1/2.

Please return it. And make sure the managers know why.
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The only thing that was cut was the SATA bus speed.
 
mmoran27 said:
I sadly returned my 13 mbp because I want to let apple know we are not stupid consumers.

Vote with your wallets. So they upped the quality of the screens but cut the processor cache, VRAM, and SATA performance by 1/2.

Please return it. And make sure the managers know why.
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:confused:

As posted, the 13" always had 3MB cache and 256MB (shared) VRAM.

And while System Profiler apparently states 1.5 gigabit, has anyone published any benchmarks to prove that it makes any difference compared to the prior model 13"?
 
dukebound85 said:
and i bet the majority of users right now do not even use ssd's
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Let's face it... the majority of users don't even know what an SSD is, or what their sata speed is either for that matter. Most are learning about it now from the thread(s) here, and are upset over something that otherwise they would have never even known about or considered.

Woof, Woof - Dawg
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mmoran27 said:
I sadly returned my 13 mbp because I want to let apple know we are not stupid consumers.

Vote with your wallets. So they upped the quality of the screens but cut the processor cache, VRAM, and SATA performance by 1/2.

Please return it. And make sure the managers know why.
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You're stating a fire!!!

WE DIDN'T START THE FIRE, LA LA LA!

MacDawg said:
Let's face it... the majority of users don't even know what an SSD is, or what their sata speed is either for that matter. Most are learning about it now from the thread(s) here, and are upset over something that otherwise they would have never even known about or considered.

Woof, Woof - Dawg
pawprint.gif
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Yeah, I consider myself to know a bit about technology and don't see a problem with a slower sata, at least in my case. I know people like to complain and moan over it but I really don't see a problem at the end of the day.
 
xraydoc said:
:confused:

As posted, the 13" always had 3MB cache and 256MB (shared) VRAM.

And while System Profiler apparently states 1.5 gigabit, has anyone published any benchmarks to prove that it makes any difference compared to the prior model 13"?
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http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=389666&page=4
Quote from poster:
"Well I live in AUS...I bought the MB 13" 4 days before new ones come out

And I pickup the new MBP 13" 2 days after it come out (or first day it is available in gold coast Australia)

I installed windows 7 64X...and using hdtune pro....these are the results i get..

These are the SSD performance HIT that I have took screen shot

This is the OLD MB 13"
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/7919/83498751.jpg

And this spose to be the NEW one!
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/2213/26178782.jpg
cabbitbunny is offline Reply With Quote"

13" 2.53 MBP with OCZ Vertez results:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/718462/
 
MacDawg said:
Let's face it... the majority of users don't even know what an SSD is, or what their sata speed is either for that matter. Most are learning about it now from the thread(s) here, and are upset over something that otherwise they would have never even known about or considered.

Woof, Woof - Dawg
pawprint.gif
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i agree

reminds me of the iphone crack issue. people read about it and then became so critical of their phone and any slight mishap HAD to be grounds for a replacement
 
dukebound85 said:
and i bet the majority of users right now do not even use ssd's
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Why does this make it excusable? SSD's are the future (and not too distant future at that), why would Apple limit our options for performance optimization? I have to assume it's profit motivated but that would just be so disappointing if true. If there's not a fix for this, as much as I've been anxiously waiting to get a Mac, I think it's a deal breaker for me.
 
analytical44 said:
Why does this make it excusable? SSD's are the future (and not too distant future at that), why would Apple limit our options for performance optimization? I have to assume it's profit motivated but that would just be so disappointing if true. If there's not a fix for this, as much as I've been anxiously waiting to get a Mac, I think it's a deal breaker for me.
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since when can you not use a ssd with 1.5? i agree with you about how it is a bummer but hardly the end of the world.

if anything, the transfer rate would take an additional fraction of a second or what not

the fact is that most people outside of these forums dont even know anything close to this technical mumbo jumbo

it will most likely be included in the next refreash. ssds are mainstream now and by the time they are, people will already be looking for upgrades. in th mean time, even with 1.5 connections, you will still see an inprovement of an ssd over a hdd

im not defending apple as i think its a bad move. its just not that critical of a move imho
 
That is a real shame, the new 13" MBP is perfect, better screen and firewire800, 8GB RAM support... but SATA I?

Sorry, but most of the performance gains I've seen were not from Processor speed increases, but from the SSD equipped in my (now outdated) Alu. MB which runs at full speed SATA II. If this laptop had an integrated battery and firewire... I'de be one happy camper.

"What Apple giveth, Apple taketh"... seriously, my own MacBook was crippled with 6GB ram limit, no firewire, HDCP (meaning I can't watch my purchased HD content on my MDP->DVI connection). Now this stupid limit on SATA in the new MacBook? It's bad =(

Apple knows that hardware is already powerful enough on its entry level machines to be good enough for even the most demanding software (maybe not games, but software to make money with...), they are putting artificial limits on performance to justify upgrades.

I do work with iPhone development, photography and .NET development through VMware. All on a MacBook...
 
My 3 month old Unibody Macbook had 3 Gigabit. Will be installing a SSD soon.

It's hard to believe that Apple would do this. Could it be just a software issue ?
 
dukebound85 said:
and i bet the majority of users right now do not even use ssd's
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Today, sure. But SSD's are where flatscreen TVs were in 1999... give them a couple of years and the prices will be down to levels where mere mortals can afford to buy them in sixpacks.

A Mac is quite the investment and people expect them to be relatively future proof. Upgrading from HDD to SSD after a couple of years would be a good way to keep a laptop alive a little longer.
 
Azrel said:
That is a real shame, the new 13" MBP is perfect, better screen and firewire800, 8GB RAM support... but SATA I?

Sorry, but most of the performance gains I've seen were not from Processor speed increases, but from the SSD equipped in my (now outdated) Alu. MB.
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How do you have 6 Gig of Ram in yours
 
Anuba said:
Today, sure. But SSD's are where flatscreen TVs were in 1999... give them a couple of years and the prices will be down to levels where mere mortals can afford to buy them in sixpacks.

A Mac is quite the investment and people expect them to be relatively future proof. Upgrading from HDD to SSD after a couple of years would be a good way to keep a laptop alive a little longer.
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i agree. however

1) by the time they become mainstream, most people will be looking at new computers, esp laptops. Especially if we use your analogy with flatscreen tvs of it taking 10 years to be commonplace;)

2)you will still see an upgrade in performance from switching to a ssd from a hdd even with a 1.5 connection. a 1.5 connection does not mean you cant use an ssd and see an improvement increase, which is the feeling i get from reading this thread

as i said, its a poor move by apple for sure but this seems to be getting a bit exxagerated
 
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