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Doom 3 for Mac Shipping
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Yes it was the same machine. I pulled 2 512 dimms for the low ram test and put in the original nVidia card.
oingoboingo said:
If you are interested in game play, my opinion is that an upgraded MDD does just fine with the Ti Geforce, FPS is often a poor way to measure gameplay.
I have managed to get the game playable on an original quicksilver with a Gigadesigns 1.2 G4 and Radeon 8600. In low quality the game is quite playable.
Of course, Low Quality with Doom looks awesome compared to good in Quake or UT.
I have managed to get the game playable on an original quicksilver with a Gigadesigns 1.2 G4 and Radeon 8600. In low quality the game is quite playable.
Of course, Low Quality with Doom looks awesome compared to good in Quake or UT.
Dokter_Mac said:I think i 'll buy the game.But i want to try it first in a demo.
This is the first benchmark i see on a MDDI have an overclocked MDD running at 1,5 Ghz with 2GigaBytes RAM and a GeForce4 Ti 4600.
I see a lot of reviews with FX 5200 cards and i read a lot of negative stuff about that card (low end ,only 64MB VRAM etc.) . These are the supported cards for the game :
ATI® RadeonTM 8500
ATI® RadeonTM 9000
ATI® RadeonTM 9200
ATI® RadeonTM 9500
ATI® RadeonTM 9600
ATI® RadeonTM 9700
ATI® RadeonTM 9800
All nVidia® GeForceTM 3/Ti series
All nVidia® GeForceTM 4MX series
All nVidia® GeForceTM 4/Ti series
All nVidia® GeForceTM FX series
nVidia® GeForceTM 6800
If you look at the console-commands from Doom3 , you can tune the game for your Mac-system.You can adjust a lot of things that will help run the game smoothly with no pauses or framedrops , even on a 1,5 G4 system.
There are parameters for cache , which is usefull if you have a lot of RAM.
There are parameters for your graphics-card which you can adjust and a lot more.
I think we have to waite untill the game is a few months out and a lot of Mac-users have tested it , and tuned it!!!
Hell, there will be for sure updates in the future which will improve the framerates!
Just look at the linux reviews of the game and you will found out that there is a lot of tuning you can do without much loss of quality in graphics!
Take a look at http://www.linuxhardware.org/article.pl?sid=04/10/12/1725246&mode=thread and http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=54
I am happy the game is not only for G5-owners and that G4-PowerMacs will be able to run the game , eventual , with a bit of tuning and with good framerates.
Yeah maybe with not all the special effects , but still with nice graphics and framerates. Maybe we (G4-owners) even can kick some PC-ass in multiplayer.
I have a dream , Graem Divine optimise that game for the Mac
Like he did with the Quake3-engine ...
"An Apple a day , keeps Windows away"
P.S.: Sorry for my poor english , i speek only dutch and french
Got the game playable or got it to run? If what you are saying is true Aspyr would have lowered its reqs for the game. There isnt a better way of comparing and gauging performance with games other then FPS. Thats just the way it is. Turning everything off and having a slideshow doesnt mean its playable to most folks. I doubt very much what you say since a 1.4 G4/Geforce3 Quicksilver and 1 gig of ram struggles to maintain a decent frame in UT2k4 let alone a game like Doom3.
oingoboingo said:
well..this sounds reasonable to me. doesnt seem like apple "dropped the ball" or has even really messed up. the argument that apple's video drivers are SOOOO bad...doesnt seem represented here.
what i took from this was that apples handling of the graphics drivers by DESIGN is less suited to games. that isnt a flaw...
perhaps tigers focus on the gpu will be better suited to games? but if the description given of apples opengl architecture is accurate...then there would still be "extra limitations" based on design. (if the gpu time is given to every application)
LEgregius said:
You know, with the talk of Tigers new video core using the CPU to perform rendering tasks that older video hardware isn't up to, I wonder if computers like the G5 iMacs, with relatively weak GPU, fairly powerful CPUs, and decently fast FSB and memory buses, might see some benefit in graphics intensive applications by sharing some of that graphics load between to GPU and CPU.
That was a really long sentence! Now that I am thinking about it seems that that would be an overhead nightmare, moving data like that from subsystem to subsystem in realtime applications like games, but who knows what Apple has in-store for us!
EDIT to ask if there is any news on a time table for a demo?!
Rob
I have a FX5200 in my PC-and Doom 3 runs on that quite smoothly at medium settings (mine has twice the memory than the Mac versions have-128MB vs 64mb). Mac's performance with 5200's would be a bit worse (and slowe , as usually the VRAM is 64MB, but you can tune Doom 3 to suit your system. Don't try running on the Mac mini/eMac/iBook (asz they only have 32MB VRAM, which in my view isn't enough to run Doom 3 at a playable frame rate.)Abstract said:
IGNORANCE ALERT!!!!
I think I've read the whole thread, but still haven't found the answers to my question. I see the 9700 is supported, but does that include the Mobile 9700. I have a new 1.67 PB with 128 VRAM and 1.5 gig RAM. Will Doom be playable. I am not a big gamer and would probably only play it for 10 hours or so, but I am a sucker eye candy. As long as the frame rate is around 20, that'd be fine by me.
And another question, reading that the game will look great on a TV with XBox because of the televisions native resolution, what if I were to hook up the TV and run the game with the lid closed? Just wondering.
I think I've read the whole thread, but still haven't found the answers to my question. I see the 9700 is supported, but does that include the Mobile 9700. I have a new 1.67 PB with 128 VRAM and 1.5 gig RAM. Will Doom be playable. I am not a big gamer and would probably only play it for 10 hours or so, but I am a sucker eye candy. As long as the frame rate is around 20, that'd be fine by me.
And another question, reading that the game will look great on a TV with XBox because of the televisions native resolution, what if I were to hook up the TV and run the game with the lid closed? Just wondering.
Actually, its a GeForce 4 To, A pretty decent card in its own right.
Yes, its quite playable at LOW and 640x480. No, it will not install out of the box that way.
My point was that the game for many who do not require the testosterone pumped framerates will find it an enjoyable game with the lower end of the suggested soecs. A few with pumped up older Macs will be pleasantly surprised. Keep in mind its a dual 1.42 quicksilver with GF Ti card, 128 video ram and a gig of RAM. The machine is no slouch. Although Doom 3 requires a single 1.5 G4 and it not able to take advantage of dual chips, it will run on a 1.42.
Yes, its quite playable at LOW and 640x480. No, it will not install out of the box that way.
My point was that the game for many who do not require the testosterone pumped framerates will find it an enjoyable game with the lower end of the suggested soecs. A few with pumped up older Macs will be pleasantly surprised. Keep in mind its a dual 1.42 quicksilver with GF Ti card, 128 video ram and a gig of RAM. The machine is no slouch. Although Doom 3 requires a single 1.5 G4 and it not able to take advantage of dual chips, it will run on a 1.42.
Dont Hurt Me said:
As I said the framerates are posted as an average of three runs. All in all, they vary no more than +/= 2 FPS.
Anti-aliasing does make a difference in may cases, and as I said, I did the test over a 2 day period, so subtle differences in background processes may have had an impact. I meant the tests to be indicative of what you may get not to be benchmarks oer se.
Anti-aliasing does make a difference in may cases, and as I said, I did the test over a 2 day period, so subtle differences in background processes may have had an impact. I meant the tests to be indicative of what you may get not to be benchmarks oer se.
aafuss1 said:
Go 4 it!
My bet is played at 1024 by 768 at medium you should be alright. That extra ram and VRAM should hellp you a lot. The 9700 is a decent card. Benches put it on par with the 9600 XT, though Apple has unerclocked their mobile cards. But a note, Doom 3 looks amazing at 800 by 600, so don't worry about the eye candy.
I think you should be alright, go for it, I say!
FosterKanig said:
My bet is played at 1024 by 768 at medium you should be alright. That extra ram and VRAM should hellp you a lot. The 9700 is a decent card. Benches put it on par with the 9600 XT, though Apple has unerclocked their mobile cards. But a note, Doom 3 looks amazing at 800 by 600, so don't worry about the eye candy.
I think you should be alright, go for it, I say!
I remember Glenda saying that it ran on her 1.5 GHz PowerBook. So, it should also work on a 1.67
Thank you both for your responses. You've eased my doubts. Consider it bought.
I'll talk to id about getting you both your commission checks.
I'll talk to id about getting you both your commission checks.
Dont Hurt Me said:
While I agree with you I think the problem runs even deeper.
IMO the real problem lay with Macs having to use a different firmware on their video cards. This limits options. Card manufacturers do not typically offer too many options for the Mac if any at all because their return on investment is smaller due to reduced potential sells.
Doom is dumb
Doom is a stupid, violent game aimed squarely at the inherent violence embodied within members of American society.
It would be a better world without this game.
It would be a better world without there being a 'desire' to play games like this.
Have any of you ever tried Chess?
Doom is a stupid, violent game aimed squarely at the inherent violence embodied within members of American society.
It would be a better world without this game.
It would be a better world without there being a 'desire' to play games like this.
Have any of you ever tried Chess?
FosterKanig said:
If you enjoy playing this type of game but are not an online player most of the Macs will do just fine. Most people that play online would not be happy with the lower frame rates because in a fire fight drops in frame rates can get you killed.
weev said:
Yes....
I am an avid chess player and think it is the greatest game ever.
Lets not forget though that chess is a game of war too.
I know that for me nothing makes me feel better than crushing my opponents mistakes and watching his/her expression as I attempt to punish them.
Dont Hurt Me said:
Apple optimizes their drivers for desktop work not in rendering 3D games. I read about it somewhere, how Apple focuses their driver writing to support FCP, Photoshop, Motion, etc instead of games. And as such most games look for work arounds. I was actually surprised at Apple including 3D updates to the drivers specifically for Doom 3 and WoW.
It's true Mac gaming sucks, but it's not without reason
weev said:
You think Doom is dumb you should try Postal 2!
That game is hilarious...
...Oh yeah. And violent, racist, obscene, gory, anti-god yadda yadda...
But hilarious...
~loserman~ said:
Agreed, chess is a game of war.
But no one has ever gone gun crazy after playing it
weev said:Agreed, chess is a game of war.
But no one has ever gone gun crazy after playing it
Don't know about that. I can think of several tournament loses that I could have shot someone.
This thread is not about politics are gun control. If you wish to post about games causing violence(which may or may not be provable) may I suggest the political forum?