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You've already told us at least three times how much it "doesn't matter" what anyone thinks. You seem to assume this is an excuse of some sort for the behavior and the pride you take in it, but the repeated protests only seems to reinforce the conclusion that you've got ethical issues which you haven't reconciled. Sorry, but if you really believe what you are saying, then that's virtually a dictionary definition of sociopathy. You could look it up.
 
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IJ Reilly said:
You've already told us at least three times how much it "doesn't matter" what anyone thinks. You seem to assume this is an excuse of some sort for the behavior and the pride you take in it, but the repeated protests only seems to reinforce the conclusion that you've got ethical issues which you haven't reconciled. Sorry, but if you really believe what you are saying, then that's virtually a dictionary definition of sociopathy. You could look it up.
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Well, apparently you've misunderstood me completely. When I say I don't care what you think of me, that's not intended as an excuse of any kind, rather, a simple statement of fact. Basically just me letting you know that the labeling and mud-flinging is a complete waste of time. But you've obviously not understood at all. I apologize for not making myself more clear! It can be challenging at times to express oneself accurately within the confines of the forum rules. What I'd really like to say to you would probably get me banned. ;)

Anyway thanks for taking such a personal interest in me. It's flattering, in a way, that you're so interested in my opinion!
 
mavis said:
As I said yesterday, it simply doesn't matter. ;)
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And it "simply doesn't matter" how many hours you've "wasted," all that counts is that you steal from Apple! ;)

Like what was stated earlier, go into an Apple Store and steal a Mac. Tell them your logic and see if they agree.
 
IJ Reilly said:
Or walk out of a restaurant without paying. Or stick something in your pocket in a store because they "owe you."

Obviously, we don't "understand."
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No, you really don't. I'm actually an honest person in every area of life except 1's and 0's ... I regularly correct cashiers who give me back too much change (in fact it just happened about ten minutes ago! Seems to be a fairly regular occurrence here ... ) and I would never steal something, no matter how small - even if I knew for a fact I'd get away with it. In fact, the only tangible thing I've ever stolen in my life was two $0.05 pieces of candy from a 7/11 when I was 13 years old, which I actually went back and paid for the next day. ;)

But when it comes to downloading stuff (music/movies/TV/software), my ethics go right out the window. So, the fact that Apple (IMO) owes me for the times they've caused me to waste with the 40 restores I've done since July 11th is kind of moot, as I downloaded the 2.0 software update from Apple's servers (for free) before I knew I'd have so many problems. Anyway, you're welcome to judge me all you want - as I have said over and over again, your opinion of me means very little to anyone but yourself. Cheers.

edit: actually, that's all I have to say about this. I won't be replying to this thread anymore, as doing so is a colossal waste of time (though you're more than welcome to continue wasting your time, if you're so inclined. In closing, I don't think Apple should nickel-and-dime their customers, I don't think we should have to pay for software this unstable and incomplete, I'm glad I didn't have to pay for the update, and if you agree, torrents are your friend.
 
mavis said:
No, you really don't. I'm actually an honest person in every area of life except 1's and 0's ... I regularly correct cashiers who give me back too much change (in fact it just happened about ten minutes ago! Seems to be a fairly regular occurrence here ... ) and I would never steal something, no matter how small - even if I knew for a fact I'd get away with it. In fact, the only tangible thing I've ever stolen in my life was two $0.05 pieces of candy from a 7/11 when I was 13 years old, which I actually went back and paid for the next day. ;)

But when it comes to downloading stuff (music/movies/TV/software), my ethics go right out the window. So, the fact that Apple (IMO) owes me for the times they've caused me to waste with the 40 restores I've done since July 11th is kind of moot, as I downloaded the 2.0 software update from Apple's servers (for free) before I knew I'd have so many problems. Anyway, you're welcome to judge me all you want - as I have said over and over again, your opinion of me means very little to anyone but yourself. Cheers.

edit: actually, that's all I have to say about this. I won't be replying to this thread anymore, as doing so is a colossal waste of time (though you're more than welcome to continue wasting your time, if you're so inclined. In closing, I don't think Apple should nickel-and-dime their customers, I don't think we should have to pay for software this unstable and incomplete, I'm glad I didn't have to pay for the update, and if you agree, torrents are your friend.
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Whether you agree with mavis or not, you can't argue with this post. mavis's logic is perfect, which means only one thing… we are wrong!
 
akonradi said:
They made $599 even when the phone itself was $599 and they had revenue sharing? interesting.
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Where'd you get that BS from?

Before the 3G was made available, you could buy a first generation 8GB iPhone for $399.

And either way, if they're still making the same amount of money from each iPhone subscription, which you seem to imply that they are, doesn't this still support the idea of free iPhone software upgrades?
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I did not actually try to present an argument in favour or against free software upgrades; I apologize if it could have been interpreted that way. I was just trying to make sure that all the information being presented as evidence was properly qualified.

It seemed to me that it had been implied that under GAAP rules, the only reason why Apple wasn't legally prohibited from giving away its upgrades for the iPhone was the fact that they had an ongoing stream of subscription revenue for each unit. I was trying to point out that that evidence was flawed by the fact that the iPhone 3G doesn't have the same ongoing stream of subscription revenue as the first generation iPhone did.

The assertion that GAAP rules might be forcing Apple to charge for certain iPod Touch updates, while those same GAAP rules somehow don't apply to the corresponding iPhone updates, may in fact be true. I just think it's probably more due to internal procedures, rather than any requirement for an actual ongoing stream of revenue from an outside source.
 
Buyer beware. Careful now... :p
 

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