Downloading torrents

[TMar]

I'm not sure where you are getting that I am "unlawfully gaining access to something you did pay for". I paid $30 a month to AT&T for having Data on my Phone and that is what I am doing. I am lawfully and rightfully accessing the data service I pad that company for. At the end... AT&T is trying to charge me $20 a month without offering me anything in return. Yes..I am breaking the Agreement I am not stealing. If you have an agreement with your landlord to No have pets in your apartment and them you get a cat, you and no tell the landlord, that is not stealing, that is breaking an agreement and you are liable for the damage as you said...the same way I am liable if AT&T decided to come after me The point is...i am not stealing anything from AT&T.


On the fair use matter, you are the one who doesn't have a understanding of it, you clearly said that you couldn't make copies for your friends and family of a CD or music or app you bought where is clearly legal to do that (unless you make millios of copies claiming they all are your friends). I know what point you are trying to make, but breaking a TOS is different from stealing.

You said it yourself, thank you! You payed $30 for data on your phone and only your phone and the thing AT&T charges you $20 for is the right to use that data on another device. You say they aren't offering you anything in return now because you are capable of circumventing the system. If non of these apps existed you wouldn't have a choice but to pay the $20 if you wanted to tether.

Now if your landlord said no pets unless you pay an extra $20 a month on the rent then that would be a viable point. If said landlord could prove that you had that cat there for 6 months he could still evict you and you would be legally liable to pay the $120 back to him. Did you 'steal' from him? It called theft by deception and that's what your doing to AT&T if you tether and don't pay the tethering fee. If I blow tollbooth without paying the toll or you jump a turnstile at the subway I didn't 'steal' anything but guess what the cops would do if they see you.

You can't make copies for friends and family under fair use. Fair use is deliberately broad and ambiguous because it covers all copyrighted works and was intended to serve as a base for other more specific copyright laws aka DMCA.

 

[mustnotsleep]

Do these work on 4.0?

i have them both installed on ios4 with no problems. i have briefly gone into their interfaces and was able to click around without any crashes. i have yet to set up uremote to see if it actually dls torrents on my computer. same with torrentula with regards to downloading torrents on my iphone. these are some of my least favorite ways to use torrents, but i like having every feature possible in an iphone so i keep the programs "just in case."

the rest of this thread is worthless. go take a philosophy class if you want to discuss abstract ethics, nobody else cares.

 

[maturola]

You said it yourself, thank you! You payed $30 for data on your phone and only your phone and the thing AT&T charges you $20 for is the right to use that data on another device. You say they aren't offering you anything in return now because you are capable of circumventing the system. If non of these apps existed you wouldn't have a choice but to pay the $20 if you wanted to tether.

Now if your landlord said no pets unless you pay an extra $20 a month on the rent then that would be a viable point. If said landlord could prove that you had that cat there for 6 months he could still evict you and you would be legally liable to pay the $120 back to him. Did you 'steal' from him? It called theft by deception and that's what your doing to AT&T if you tether and don't pay the tethering fee. If I blow tollbooth without paying the toll or you jump a turnstile at the subway I didn't 'steal' anything but guess what the cops would do if they see you.

You can't make copies for friends and family under fair use. Fair use is deliberately broad and ambiguous because it covers all copyrighted works and was intended to serve as a base for other more specific copyright laws aka DMCA.

There is not way to argue with a close mind, i never said that i could not suffer the consequences of my act. Like your examples of evicting or penalties, that doesn't make it stealing, keep money for the toll booth is stealing, there not agreement to do so, it is the law, 2 difference things.

And yes you can make copies for your friend and Family, under the law and under Apples TOS if you got them from ITunes... up to 5 Copies is perfectly allow, you can even share it over a network to up 5 different IDs

 

[TMar]

There is not way to argue with a close mind, i never said that i could not suffer the consequences of my act. Like your examples of evicting or penalties, that doesn't make it stealing, keep money for the toll booth is stealing, there not agreement to do so, it is the law, 2 difference things.

And yes you can make copies for your friend and Family, under the law and under Apples TOS if you got them from ITunes... up to 5 Copies is perfectly allow, you can even share it over a network to up 5 different IDs

I didn't say stealing I said theft by deception. You said you could suffer the consequences of your actions, what do you call those actions? If you have to reimburse money, didn't you deprive them of it? Yeah, there's no way to argue with a closed mind. You can't get past one word in my original post, 'stealing'. It was a general term I used because that's what everyone says that cracked apps are, stealing from developers. Legally if you steal you deprive the owner of something. AT&T own's the network and tethering without their permission deprives them of money, it's theft no if, ands or buts about it.

It's the same why that stealing cable use to be one of those gray area's because it wasn't a tangible object. The same way stealing satellite TV was a gray are. Your not doing anything but receiving a signal that was indescribably beamed everywhere but gaining access to something you didn't pay for is theft.

Like I said AT&T should allow free tethering for the price we already pay for the data accesses. I hope one day regulations are placed on them so they can't limit use to only accessing their data network on one device but right now that's the way it is weather consumers believe it to be right or wrong.

Yes, you can make five copies but not for friends and family but for your own use and it's not under the fair use act. That's the agreement between the record companies and Apple and is not part of any copyright law especially fair use..

 

[Applejuiced]

I didn't say stealing I said theft by deception. You said you could suffer the consequences of your actions, what do you call those actions? If you have to reimburse money, didn't you deprive them of it? Yeah, there's no way to argue with a closed mind. You can't get past one word in my original post, 'stealing'. It was a general term I used because that's what everyone says that cracked apps are, stealing from developers. Legally if you steal you deprive the owner of something. AT&T own's the network and tethering without their permission deprives them of money, it's theft no if, ands or buts about it.

It's the same why that stealing cable use to be one of those gray area's because it wasn't a tangible object. The same way stealing satellite TV was a gray are. Your not doing anything but receiving a signal that was indescribably beamed everywhere but gaining access to something you didn't pay for is theft.

Like I said AT&T should allow free tethering for the price we already pay for the data accesses. I hope one day regulations are placed on them so they can't limit use to only accessing their data network on one device but right now that's the way it is weather consumers believe it to be right or wrong.

Yes, you can make five copies but not for friends and family but for your own use and it's not under the fair use act. That's the agreement between the record companies and Apple and is not part of any copyright law especially fair use..

Please, continue