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Given that federal law dictates that backup cameras will be mandatory starting in 2018 who exactly is supposed to buy this? They spent a lot of time on a problem that's long been solved. Ouch.
 
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You've got to be kidding me right? Legislation for backup cameras? Do you hear yourself talking? Why? Is backing up at 4 miles an hour with the possibility of scratching/denting your bumper deemed a worth while effort of your representatives to create and pass a law REQUIRING it?

Next thing you're going to be saying they should pass a law that shoe manufactures need at least 1/2" sole's on shoes otherwise it could hurt your feet/back.

If they are passing legislation that makes car windows smaller and visibility worse and worse, then yes car companies should be compelled to include backup cameras which have been statistically and empirically proven to prevent bodily harm in common backup accidents.

And no, I don't care about scratching my bumper at all. I would buy a car with either good visibility or a backup camera with or without this law. I do care about the other cars in my neighborhood though, or at the grocery store parking lot, that backup within inches of people (including children) without even looking or slowing down.

Car companies are not going to do the right thing on their own, and they have shown many times that the only thing they care less about than the safety of the driver is the safety of the pedestrian. Ford, GM, Toyota, Honda, VW, and everyone else will gladly do the bare minimum that is legally required of them to put out a product called a "car." If it was not for regulations, we would still be driving the deathtraps of the 40s, 50s, and 60s.
 
No one is going to take their phone out of their pocket, unlock it, and launch an app every time they back up.

Rear-view camera don't solve the problem. People still have to use them. I have one and find I rarely look at it. Instead I make note of the surroundings when I walk up to the car and then watch in my side-view and rear-view mirrors as I back up.

I don't see the required addition of rear view cameras in 2018 solving this problem. People that are inattentive will still be inattentive and distracted. They won't bother to look and kids will still get run over sadly.
 
People complain about the price, but I just had an OEM rear camera put into my car and it cost around $1200 including labor.

You can get ****** rearview cameras from Amazon for $25-75 if you'd like. Have fun running the wires all over the place.

The only bad thing is using the OBD port to detect backing up, but I suppose that's the only way to do it if you don't want to hook into the rear tail light. Maybe their OBD plug is a pass-through model.

As a note, making nice things is expensive because it's custom. This isn't a kickstarter that'll fail because they miscalculated the actual costs of manufacturing and fulfillment. If you don't like it don't buy it.
 
If they are passing legislation that makes car windows smaller and visibility worse and worse, then yes car companies should be compelled to include backup cameras which have been statistically and empirically proven to prevent bodily harm in common backup accidents.

Car companies are not going to do the right thing on their own. Ford, GM, Toyota, Honda, VW, and everyone else will gladly do the bare minimum that is legally required of them to put out a product called a "car." If it was not for regulations, we would still be driving the deathtraps of the 40s, 50s, and 60s.

I don't totally agree with that. Back up cameras although they are safety features, most people see them as entertainment features. They are advertised as exciting technology. Competition will cause them to be standard on all cars very, very soon.
 
If they are passing legislation that makes car windows smaller and visibility worse and worse, then yes car companies should be compelled to include backup cameras which have been statistically and empirically proven to prevent bodily harm in common backup accidents.

And no, I don't care about scratching my bumper at all. I would buy a car with either good visibility or a backup camera with or without this law. I do care about the other cars in my neighborhood though, or at the grocery store parking lot, that backup within inches of people (including children) without even looking or slowing down.

Car companies are not going to do the right thing on their own. Ford, GM, Toyota, Honda, VW, and everyone else will gladly do the bare minimum that is legally required of them to put out a product called a "car." If it was not for regulations, we would still be driving the deathtraps of the 40s, 50s, and 60s.

I'd love to see those stats. The government's own ruling stated that such research doesn't currently exist. The studies that do are flawed in that they ask people to actually use them. We can't simply assume that people will use them just as a speed limit sign doesn't force everyone to go exactly the speed limit.
 
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People complain about the price, but I just had an OEM rear camera put into my car and it cost around $1200 including labor.

You can get ****** rearview cameras from Amazon for $25-75 if you'd like. Have fun running the wires all over the place.

The only bad thing is using the OBD port to detect backing up, but I suppose that's the only way to do it if you don't want to hook into the rear tail light. Maybe their OBD plug is a pass-through model.

As a note, making nice things is expensive because it's custom. This isn't a kickstarter that'll fail because they miscalculated the actual costs of manufacturing and fulfillment. If you don't like it don't buy it.

Thats a shocking price. When I worked at best buy, we did camera installs or $99. Was that OEM at the dealership?
 
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I'm in this business. Let me just say $500 is way too much.
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Thats a shocking price. When I worked at best buy, we did camera installs or $99. Was that OEM at the dealership?
It's not shocking. Any newish car will require an interface module that generally run between $350-$800. That doesn't include the camera, tax, install etc..
 
People complain about the price, but I just had an OEM rear camera put into my car and it cost around $1200 including labor.

You can get ****** rearview cameras from Amazon for $25-75 if you'd like. Have fun running the wires all over the place.

The only bad thing is using the OBD port to detect backing up, but I suppose that's the only way to do it if you don't want to hook into the rear tail light. Maybe their OBD plug is a pass-through model.

As a note, making nice things is expensive because it's custom. This isn't a kickstarter that'll fail because they miscalculated the actual costs of manufacturing and fulfillment. If you don't like it don't buy it.

Took me less than 15 minutes to run the wires through the car (including pulling moldings and hiding them, connecting the camera, and wiring the power. That includes wiring into the reverse lights to turn the camera on automatically when the car is in reverse.

And I'm willing to bet my $20 Amazon camera has better resolution than your OEM model.
 
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How old are you talking about? Car platforms haven't changed much in the past 10 years.
I would say early 2000's were the last gen of cars that you could actually see out of the rear of the car... and even some of those were sold with back up cams.
 
I'm in this business. Let me just say $500 is way too much.
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It's not shocking. Any newish car will require an interface module that generally run between $350-$800. That doesn't include the camera, tax, install etc..

But thats only if you want to tie into the existing head unit or install an OEM right?
 
I don't totally agree with that. Back up cameras although they are safety features, most people see them as entertainment features. They are advertised as exciting technology. Competition will cause them to be standard on all cars very, very soon.

No, 49 CFR Part 571 will cause them to be standard on all cars by 2018. GM, and all others, would gladly like to sell a no seat-belt, no crumple-zone, no airbag, no collision rating, plastic box with 4 wheels and an engine for $5k. Competition in cars is a race to the bottom - the least expensive cars with the fewest features sell the most.
 
I'd love to see those stats. The government's own ruling stated that such research doesn't currently exist. The studies that do are flawed in that they ask people to actually use them. We can't simply assume that people will use them just as a speed limit sign doesn't force everyone to go exactly the speed limit.

According to NHTSA: "On average, there are 210 fatalities and 15,000 injuries per year caused by backover crashes. NHTSA has found that children under 5 years old account for 31 percent of backover fatalities each year, and adults 70 years of age and older account for 26 percent." Citing to http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811144.PDF So it's a pretty common accident that causes bodily injury or death, and disproportionately affects the young and elderly population.
 
It is amusing to see my 2003 car, which I have owned since day one, described here as "used" or "pre-owned." As if that was the point anyway.
 
Easy to steal?

Right: $ 500 attached with one screw on your license plate? Five minute and it gone.
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That's great, but won't car companies start building this in their cars eventually? Just like those Tom-Tom sat navs?

Start? most cars have a rear view camera already. I am driving a Toyota Auris and it has this and see may other cars who have the too. To summarize this plan: epic fail.
 
That's great, but won't car companies start building this in their cars eventually? Just like those Tom-Tom sat navs?

Yes, but if you're not in the market for a new car... $500 is far cheaper than $20,000.

Although there are "not smartphone connected" rear-view cameras available as cheaply as $100 installed...
 
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