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My One M8 has dual camera lenses. You can simulate wide-open aperture. And it's bad. pretty damn bad. It does not add ANYTHING to the picture.

But I can't image Apple screwing this one up though.
 
3D is great but won't be of much use and gain popularity until there are 3D screens.
 
If true, yet another "potentially useful" thing released to the developers in hope, someone has a good idea to make this worth something.
 
Can't wait for the inevitable 3D scanner app. I've always wanted to try 3D-scanning objects and 3D mapping environments.
 
Looks like Huawei is leading the way in dual lens cameras. I wonder how many others will follow?
 
I imagine the killer apps will come from developers and not Apple. And then Apple will either absorb the company and/or just take their ideas and put it into iOS....

Why not? MS made a fortune off that strategy in the 90's and 00's. Now it's Apple's turn.
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Well if you told analysts back in 2007 that in less than a decade we'd have phones with desktop-class CPUs and console-level GPUs,

Really, we're going to have phones with desktop class CPUs? Sounds fantastic but I doubt we'll see that in the next decade.

Surely you can't be referring to Apple's marketing lies and BS? I mean if an iPhone drawing a few watts offers "a desktop class CPU", why does Apple have data centers full of hundreds of thousands of high end intel CPUs drawing 100 watts each? Wouldn't it make a lot more sense for Apple to have server farms full of A9X chips? They'd save billions just on electricity costs.

I guess by Apple marketing logic my pogo stick offers Ferrari-class-performance as a transportation machine.
 
I'm 99% sure dual cameras will soon be on every medium range phone. But from Apple, it will ONLY be in the most expensive (really expensive) variant for a long time. This is the Apple of today - luxury fashion product brand with lagging specs and exorbitant prices.
 
Really, we're going to have phones with desktop class CPUs? Sounds fantastic but I doubt we'll see that in the next decade.

Surely you can't be referring to Apple's marketing lies and BS? I mean if an iPhone drawing a few watts offers "a desktop class CPU", why does Apple have data centers full of hundreds of thousands of high end intel CPUs drawing 100 watts each? Wouldn't it make a lot more sense for Apple to have server farms full of A9X chips? They'd save billions just on electricity costs.

I guess by Apple marketing logic my pogo stick offers Ferrari-class-performance as a transportation machine.

No, I'm not going on Apple's marketing like a stupid lemming, and perhaps don't be so stuck up with your responses in future before getting your facts right. I'm going on actual specs/benchmarks. The iPhone 6S's CPU benchmarks significantly higher than a Toshiba C50-A-1E2 laptop with an Intel i3-3110M. That's nothing to scoff at by any stretch. And as the i3-3110M has a Passmark of 3000 (around that on an Intel G4400, if you need a desktop equivalent).

So it's not desktop class in terms of a hex-core i7 CPU, but it's desktop class in every other literal sense of the word -- that being, a damn sight more powerful than budget laptops, and competitive with entry level Q15 Intel desktop CPUs.

How you think 'desktop class' means 'more powerful than a £2000 Intel Xeon' is beyond me.
 
And as the i3-3110M has a Passmark of 3000 (around that on an Intel G4400, if you need a desktop equivalent).

So it's not desktop class in terms of a hex-core i7 CPU, but it's desktop class in every other literal sense of the word -- that being, a damn sight more powerful than budget laptops, and competitive with entry level Q15 Intel desktop CPUs.

How you think 'desktop class' means 'more powerful than a £2000 Intel Xeon' is beyond me.

i3-3110M ir G4400 is your idea of desktop class? I think you are misinformed by Apple's marketing juggernaut.

My i7-4790k is by no means an expensive server processor. It is a decent consumer-class desktop chip from 2014. And it is a few times faster than the A9X in single core performance where the iToys do their best (and I wouldn't call a few times faster the same performance class). In multi-core, my i7 is so much faster than the A9X the iToy is just a pathetic joke.

So you're comparing the iToy to cheap junk crap (or Apple's crippled hardware that only exists to make the iToys seem less slow than they really are).
 
I am all about improvement, but like 3D touch, will it be a year or two before it is taken advantage of? To me, a killer feature is something I can use today and benefit from. 3D touch has been anything but that. On the other hand, touch ID and live photos are my killer.

I would suggest that you give it another try. I've seen tremendous improvements in terms of in-app use of 3D touch in the last few months. The speed dial on phone/facetime and the new tab shortcut for safari are my favorite features. I'd say 3D Touch has taken about 4 or 5 months for most mainstream apps to adopt. About 80% of the apps on my phone has some kind of 3D touch shortcut on the home screen. I've come to rely on using it to previewing links while browsing the web and peeking into mail and photos as well.
 
i3-3110M ir G4400 is your idea of desktop class? I think you are misinformed by Apple's marketing juggernaut.

My i7-4790k is by no means an expensive server processor. It is a decent consumer-class desktop chip from 2014. And it is a few times faster than the A9X in single core performance where the iToys do their best (and I wouldn't call a few times faster the same performance class). In multi-core, my i7 is so much faster than the A9X the iToy is just a pathetic joke.

So you're comparing the iToy to cheap junk crap (or Apple's crippled hardware that only exists to make the iToys seem less slow than they really are).

You really need to open your eyes for what kind of desktops and laptops are still being sold in 2015/2016. A large majority of them have CPU marks considerably under 2000. A lot, namely AMD, have processors less powerful than that in an iPhone 5.

The G4400 is by no means cheap junk crap. It's solid and capable. If you had spent more than 6 months in any sort of first line tech role, remote or face-to-face, you'd get quite a shock for what an acceptable benchmark is.

Furthermore, your benchmark for a desktop-class CPU is an i7-4790k. That's preposterous. Not only is that a ridiculous comparison, it's also highlighting just how ignorant you are to what kind of CPUs are being shipped in the vast majority of consumer computers -- both laptops and desktops.

Frankly you're just demonstrating your fundemental lack of understanding in every area of this discussion. Your assertion of 'iToy' doesn't help to articulate your point either.
 
The G4400 is by no means cheap junk crap. It's solid and capable. If you had spent more than 6 months in any sort of first line tech role, remote or face-to-face, you'd get quite a shock for what an acceptable benchmark is.

So because an iToy is in the same ballpark as a bottom-end cheap budget computer with a crappy CPU you call it desktop class?

Furthermore, your benchmark for a desktop-class CPU is an i7-4790k. That's preposterous.

Why is it preposterous? My total build is still much cheaper than any mac except a mini. I'm not talking high-end stuff here.

Frankly you're just demonstrating your fundemental lack of understanding in every area of this discussion. Your assertion of 'iToy' doesn't help to articulate your point either.

On the grand scheme of it's computing performance, usability, design, and functionality, I think the term iToy is very generous and complimentary. But a lot of people seem to enjoy playing with them, so I'll grant them the name.
 
Why not? MS made a fortune off that strategy in the 90's and 00's. Now it's Apple's turn.

Considering that it is common business practice - as done by Google / Microsoft / Blackberry / Apple etc. - it is kind of bizarre to point out that Apple or MS do this.
 
No, I'm not going on Apple's marketing like a stupid lemming, and perhaps don't be so stuck up with your responses in future before getting your facts right. I'm going on actual specs/benchmarks. The iPhone 6S's CPU benchmarks significantly higher than a Toshiba C50-A-1E2 laptop with an Intel i3-3110M. That's nothing to scoff at by any stretch. And as the i3-3110M has a Passmark of 3000 (around that on an Intel G4400, if you need a desktop equivalent).

So it's not desktop class in terms of a hex-core i7 CPU, but it's desktop class in every other literal sense of the word -- that being, a damn sight more powerful than budget laptops, and competitive with entry level Q15 Intel desktop CPUs.

How you think 'desktop class' means 'more powerful than a £2000 Intel Xeon' is beyond me.

Just thought I'd weigh in...
You're right; he's wrong.
That is all.
 
Binocular vision and a hive brain through iCloud and skynet will be born.

Unsure if we should boycott apps now or before they start attempting to kill us, I think when they try and kill us we need to slow down on killer app development.
 
Unsure if we should boycott apps now or before they start attempting to kill us, I think when they try and kill us we need to slow down on killer app development.
Every Operating System has its 'killer' apps. Linux had ReiserFS...
 
There are essentially no 3D action or otherwise "pocket sized" cameras out there. (Well, at least I can't find any!)
Having two lenses close together will improve 2D image quality and capabilities, yes. But, putting them close together will limit 3D capabilities. Putting the lenses a few inches apart would add 3D capabilities (yay!), but be much more difficult to use to improve 2D image quality. My guess is the 2D image quality will win and the lenses, as pictured, will be close together. After all, 3D displays are still not a hot thing.

For me, I'm looking for 3D capabilities, not improved 2D image quality. Oh well! Hey, Apple, why not three cameras? Wait, that would be four if you count the facetime camera. Yeah, four cameras. Wait, I want two in the front as well, so five cameras. yeah, five would be awesome. ;)
 
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