MikeTheC said:
Excuse me, don't you mean "2 hundredths of a cent", since 0.2 cents would be 2 tenths of a cent. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Excuse me, don't you mean "2 hundredths of a cent", since 0.2 cents would be 2 tenths of a cent. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I really don't like this thinksecret article. Sure having a dual Core PowerPC chip would be great but what it all boils down to is unsubstantiated rumors. Anyone could say that IBM is working on Dual Core chips and be right as they probably are, as every other company is doing the same. What gets me about the article is the timing. Thinksecret claims that IBM will begin volume production of this Dual core 970 in Jan of 2005!! That does not sound good as that could mean we may not see another PowerMac revision shipping until March 2005 or even later like August 2005. If this is true it would mean that it will be another year between updates. I am really hoping for an interim update in the meantime.... I would really like to see a 3Ghz machine shipping or at least announced in Jan 05 regardless if it is a single or Dual core chip.
G4-power said:Excuse me, don't you mean "2 hundredths of a cent", since 0.2 cents would be 2 tenths of a cent. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Darn, must have been using that first-generation Pentium 1 again.
You're right, thanks for catching my mistake!
Consumer Market, Maybe
Might want to qualify that 70% with consumer market.
mac_head101 said:If apple pumps the speed up to 3 or more GHz, PC gamers would have something other than wintel to use. But if apple doesn't ever design macs for gaming they can only realistically gain 30 to 40 percent market share, as 70%
Might want to qualify that 70% with consumer market.
Then you should be keen on the new Powertune features of this rumored 970MP. If anything is going to bring the G5 to a powerbook it's Powertune.
Thinksecrets record on Apple products is better than "any" other sites. They had the mockups of the LCD displays a month or more before they shipped and they were spot on. While everyone knows Dual Core is coming the article gives us good information. 1MB L2 cache per core. 10 layer process, Powertune and ABIST. That's far more meaty than saying "Dual Cores are coming". An interim refresh would be ok "if" Dual Core Powermacs weren't ready by say early March. It would make no sense to do a refresh that would but the DC Powermacs off until late summer.
I don't think it's really sunk in to people how nifty DC is. Since both CPU cores share the same die they can snoop each others cache without the system controller being involded. Much faster and more efficient. Powertune makes the though of having a Quad CPU system actually obtainable. If the rumors of pipeline changes are also correct it means we're more likely to hit 3Ghz. If you're a professional you can wait or grab a 2.5Ghz Powermac. If Apple is ready to ship DC in Q1 then only AMD would have the chance to match them and that's great marketing opportunity.
guifa said:
Don't get your panties in a knot Shakespeare - you're gonna be one busy guy if all you do on these forums is go around correcting people's English. Just go back to reading your dictionary and calm down...
This I find rather interesting. It appears the issues IBM had with the 3ghz chips has created further advantages in other areas. What is worth pointing out is that it appears we will not see a 3 ghz system until mid 2005. IBM is now the new Motorola for Apple. They are a year behind from what they promised Apple. I have seen this before 4 years ago with Motorola. The G5 is here to stay for much longer than the original IBM road map indicated last year.
No big deal, we got used to the G3 for more years than we would have liked along with the G4 as well. This will mean that when the G6 comes out in two or three years we should see the same kick ass movement when we saw the first PowerPC G3 in 1997.
No big deal, we got used to the G3 for more years than we would have liked along with the G4 as well. This will mean that when the G6 comes out in two or three years we should see the same kick ass movement when we saw the first PowerPC G3 in 1997.
gop007 said:
Whoa. I don't see anything that appears to portend 3Ghz not shipping until Mid 2005. In fact information from the Apple Nova forums seems to point to some pipeline changes that might make 3Ghz much easier. I think you're building a case for IBM= Moto based off of naivete. Make your case but try to inject some technical reasoning to back up your diatribe.
Next Power Mac G5 Revamp
"Thinksecret claims that IBM will begin volume production of this Dual core 970 in Jan of 2005!! That does not sound good as that could mean we may not see another PowerMac revision shipping until March 2005 or even later like August 2005. If this is true it would mean that it will be another year between updates."
The story never states that the next Power Mac G5 revision will ship with the PowerPC 970MP. While it could certainly be until March or later that we see dual-core G5s shipping, there's nothing that rules out an interim update shipping with a 970FX.
-Nick dePlume
Publisher and Editor in Chief, Think Secret
"Thinksecret claims that IBM will begin volume production of this Dual core 970 in Jan of 2005!! That does not sound good as that could mean we may not see another PowerMac revision shipping until March 2005 or even later like August 2005. If this is true it would mean that it will be another year between updates."
The story never states that the next Power Mac G5 revision will ship with the PowerPC 970MP. While it could certainly be until March or later that we see dual-core G5s shipping, there's nothing that rules out an interim update shipping with a 970FX.
-Nick dePlume
Publisher and Editor in Chief, Think Secret
now all apple needs is to use hyper/multi threading and DDR2 RDRAM imagine the speed at which it will go...it will be a (basically) Quad Processor G5 that processes 30 or so times faster than its Pentium 4 (or prescott) equivlent Apple will be the first company to make a computer that preforms 1 Sextillion (1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000) FLOPS a second mmmmm.....unrealistc vision.,,
Nick dePlume said:
Nice reply Nick. Seems like there's a whole lot of "hand wringing" over speed. Even if no refresh happens until March that's only 8 months. It would be one thing if we were behind in speed but if you have $3k you can buy a dual 2.5 and that's not a shabby computer by any stretch of the imagination.
Being as how the next revision is likely to significantly change key aspects of the architecture( PCI Express, DDR2 etc) I'm all for Apple extensively testing the platform before shipment. My guess is Tiger ships around end of Q1 if new Powermacs are shipping close to this timeframe they can be synced better IMO.
Perhaps the new Pontiac is going to be powered by an Apple G6. The Grand Am hasn't seen that kind of power for years.rcs128 said:
~Shard~ said:Don't get your panties in a knot Shakespeare - you're gonna be one busy guy if all you do on these forums is go around correcting people's English. Just go back to reading your dictionary and calm down...
Sheesh, and everyone's missing the obvious possibility that he was originally talking about an English soccer/football team named "news", in which case it would be "if these news are correct, they are the best team in Europe"
hitchhiker said:
Oh god NO MORE X's.
everyone is doing that to their products; putting in an "x" or "pro"
</shuddder>
trbeat said:I just ordered a new Mac with one of those new fangled chips, my order says on or before July 30th ...
If you do mean a 2.5, then you and me both.
recursivejon said:
You mean like "Windows XP Pro"?
Yah, I agree, 'X' is used way too much nowadays - OS X is quite enough for me, thank you very much... It seems that IBMs does not really have a mobile processor development program.
While this is well and good for servers/workstations, it could hurt Apple in the growing mobile market with Intel working hard to improve their "M" chips.
If IBM is not creating any mobile specific technology, and Apple is forced to retrofit their desktop chips into their mobile products, they will never compete with the already superior Intel mobile technology.
Perhaps this is why Apple has maintained its relationship with Motorola, as it intends to create G4 derivatives that will become its "M" line.
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I think Apple will surely stick with the "G" identity for its products; it is in complete sync with the clean, simple and easily distinguishing design of their systems.
While this is well and good for servers/workstations, it could hurt Apple in the growing mobile market with Intel working hard to improve their "M" chips.
If IBM is not creating any mobile specific technology, and Apple is forced to retrofit their desktop chips into their mobile products, they will never compete with the already superior Intel mobile technology.
Perhaps this is why Apple has maintained its relationship with Motorola, as it intends to create G4 derivatives that will become its "M" line.
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I think Apple will surely stick with the "G" identity for its products; it is in complete sync with the clean, simple and easily distinguishing design of their systems.
musicpyrite said:
as the article states, L3 cache is not supported...so i'd assume that means NO L3, at all.
so does the dual core share bandwith along the FSB? or does it have seperate channels? making four total for a dual two core system.
apparently you are not familiar with IBM's PowerTune technology. They don't need to design a mobile processor if they can get it working correctly, as it will effectively be better than a seperate mobile design, as it will be scalable from 1/64 of clock frequency to full frequency in 3 cycles. this will cut heat and power consumption drastically, because the processor will only be running hard when you're doing heavy computing, and will enter a deep nap mode in between., i.e. when you're typing etc.spacemoose said:
There has been some substantiation. The information came from leaked IBM preproduction documents, portions of which have been circulated in public; and it corresponds well with intentionally public information from IBM. The only part that might seriously be in question is the timetable.Little Endian said: