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Dvorak: Apple to Dump OS X for Windows

pimentoLoaf said:
Why would Apple want to throw their lot in with a sub-standard operating system? Because John Dvorak, who has been in the tech-pundit business since the inception of desktop pc's, and who (according to my brother who contributes articles to Dvorak's nasty blog) has contacts within nearly every company throughout the industry, is the guy in-the-know who knows everything.

So there!

Of course, there seems to be a bit of tongue-in-cheek to the article, as if Mr Dvorak doesn't really believe Apple would stoop so low.
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It's a shame his use of grammar, style, unfounded, unsourced information makes his columns. He’s not a professional in the computer industry so he cannot write such, how can I say it, unsourced crap.

I live in the UK so he isn't well known to myself, however I have been reading up and he is awful and likes to spin and stir up people.
 
Interesting...he correctly predicted the onset of the intel switch, but he got all of the other details wrong. A PowerMac with both Intel and PPC processors? WTF? Notice that Dvorak can barely restrain himself from being totally patronising when referring to the Mac community. He's a master of faint praise when it cpomes to Apple.:rolleyes:
 
CubaTBird said:
he predicted apple would go intel and i bet all you were crying fowl...
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He's right only if you don't read past the headline. The move Apple made after his prediction was to IBM, not Intel. All of the other speculation on the details, he also got wrong. Then there's this remark:

...and despite the fact that Microsoft helped Apple financially, the favor was designed to benefit Microsoft more than Apple.
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Oh, really?
 
Yeah, Dvorak needs to be silenced. It's his kind of poisening that reaches the millions of idiots out there that believe anything they read, without rasing a single question. These are the same people that have given Microsoft the marketshare it has.

C'mon dummy! Wise up! Macs own you. And in Ten years when they have the dominant platform, don't say we didn't tell ya so!
 
IJ Reilly said:
And what would Apple become if it dropped OSX? Just another PC clone maker?
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Bingo!

Apple makes an assload of a profit margin off us because we want the Macintosh OS so much that we're willing to pay a premium for slower hardware. It was true in the 80s and 90s when Apple hardware looked nearly identical to x86 PC hardware and it's still true today.

Oh, sure we get all mydriatic over Ives' pretty industrial designs, but to be honest, it could look like a dog's ass and we'd still buy it because it's so incomparably functional. Because, again, of the OS.

And that's why Dvorak has it ass backwards. If anything, I'd wager Apple was secretly positioning itself to be ready to dump the hardware end and get the Mac OS (with some sort of license-free emulation that allows seamless use of Windows software) on as many PCs as possible in direct competition with Microsoft. But here's the thing: Apple would risk everything in such a move, and as such would only trigger this plan as a sort of Gotterdammerung.
 
pseudobrit said:
Bingo!
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Dvorak is blathering about some sort of Mac look-and-feel planted on top of Windows guts. This is the kind of hair-brained theory cooked up by somebody who doesn't know one side of his mouse from the other, not a supposed industry expert.

Now, I think you're getting closer to the scenario I imagine. I don't expect Apple to abandon hardware, but I am giving some thought to the potential for Apple to develop its own version of WINE and integrating it into OSX. We're going to get WINE for OSX from the open source community anyway, so it makes sense for Apple to do the job right and give the user the best possible experience. This is the other shoe I expect Apple to drop.
 
IJ Reilly said:
Now, I think you're getting closer to the scenario I imagine. I don't expect Apple to abandon hardware, but I am giving some thought to the potential for Apple to develop its own version of WINE and integrating it into OSX. We're going to get WINE for OSX from the open source community anyway, so it makes sense for Apple to do the job right and give the user the best possible experience. This is the other shoe I expect Apple to drop.
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Not to sound like a complete idiot but the wtf is WINE? :confused: :confused: :confused:


Some Macs apps i still dont what they are or they're purpose is :eek: :eek:

Thats why i'm asking
 
IJ Reilly said:
Dvorak is blathering about some sort of Mac look-and-feel planted on top of Windows guts.
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I'd rather have Windows look-and-feel planted on top of OS X and I think most Mac users would concur. But that Dvorak makes such a suggestion shows how little he knows about the average Mac user.

We're not the stupid children or computer illiterate newbies who are placated by shiny coloured buttons and shallow simplicity that many would like to stereotype us as.

It's a shame Dvorak would portray or perpetuate such a concept. Let's not forget which side of the aisle has as its battle cry, "but you can't get any good games for it!"

Now, I think you're getting closer to the scenario I imagine. I don't expect Apple to abandon hardware, but I am giving some thought to the potential for Apple to develop its own version of WINE and integrating it into OSX. We're going to get WINE for OSX from the open source community anyway, so it makes sense for Apple to do the job right and give the user the best possible experience. This is the other shoe I expect Apple to drop.
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Ooo. Juicy. Me likes. That would make Apple the ultimate machine in terms of flexibility.

iphil: WINE
 
pseudobrit said:
I'd rather have Windows look-and-feel planted on top of OS X and I think most Mac users would concur.
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:eek: Your kidding... right?

Sorry, but you can count me out.

The Windows look and feel is the single worst part of Windows. The application environment (rooted apps) works against multitasking. The designers went against the best UI concepts to seem different than Macs.



On the subject of WINE...

Personally, I'm glad that WINE is limited to an X Windows environment, because that is where it should be. If it were a better environment (more integrated), then we would run the risk of developers not making Mac apps.

This was the problem with OS/2 Warp. It was able to run Windows apps, so developers didn't bother to make OS/2 apps.

Our application environment, our user interface is what sets a Mac so far apart from Windows. I surely think anything that brings us closer is a bad idea. Running Windows apps on a Mac would count as such... and absolutely having the Windows look-and-feel would be.

Contrary to some people's beliefs... the look of hardware has little to do with using a Mac. It may have something to do with initial purchases for some, and a larger part for those with portables, but most people don't spend time sitting looking at their hardware. They spend their time interacting with the operating system and the applications.

If Apple made the ugliest boxes in the industry, it wouldn't stop Mac users from using them (though it might slow people switching), and that is because once set up, a computer usually disappears into the background while it is in use.

Jobs said it himself... the Mac is the OS.


As for the underlying operating system... We shouldn't forget that the foundations of the Windows NT line was OS/2. While not as good as what we have now, it is still a very good core OS (despite what Microsoft has done with it).
 
Moron.

He's adding 1 + 1 and getting 3.

There are many reasons for his cited examples, ie.., firewire loss on iPod.

1. firewire isn't so common on windows machines.
2. keep the costs down.

You can go through all of his points, one by one, and explain good reasons for why these happens.

He's just grasping at straws.
 
pseudobrit said:
Ooo. Juicy. Me likes. That would make Apple the ultimate machine in terms of flexibility.
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Somebody I know wrote about this already:

http://www.accidentalexpert.com/main/cols/011606.shtml

I understand the development issue, but I'm counting on Apple to work out the potential for Mac developers jumping ship if too much Windows software runs on the Mac. IMO, Apple really doesn't have much choice but to resolve this, because one way or another, it's going to happen.
 
Nuts

Ok, the man really is more of a philospher with no computer background it seems. His ideas are great strictly on a lets make more money scheme, however OS X a unix based operating system simply is not the same way windows works. Windows is not unix based. Windows on a Mac would still have all the security flaws it has on the PC. The PC is not the problem as the Mac commerical would like you to believe. The OS is the true problem. It would be much more feasible for Mac to introudce an OS that ran on a PC and slowly take more and more of windows market share till. However the difference would be that if you bought an Apple computer you would get their software free. Once people have begun switching to the Apple OS more and more people would say ok.... Apple has become the new standard and would purchase either the OS or the hardware. Thus leading to the downfall of the securtiy flawed OS and the rise to Mac's and Linux.....Can't We Dream!!!!
 
As long as Steve Jobs is at apple the mac os will remain. Apple's compters are basicly sold based on the mac os so I don't think this is a good move.
 
Dvorak must think we all want this:
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