e-sata with Macbook Pro

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  1. johnsy macrumors 6502

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    Can someone confirm speed improvements vs firewire 800?
     
  2. The Flashing Fi macrumors 6502a

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    Well... eSATA is capable of speeds matching those of SATA hard drives. SATA hard drives are what's currently found in most, if not all, new computers, including laptops.

    The difference is that eSATA is external and uses a different connector than that of SATA.

    There may be a few reasons why you won't get the full speed of eSATA. How the external hard drive manufacturer implimented it, any software limitations. Similar to any other device, whether it's USB or Firewire.

    But, you should see a significan improvement if file transfer speeds with eSATA.
     
  3. e12a macrumors 68000

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    eSATA is relatively fast, but compared to FW800 I am not sure.

    I have the PNY ESATA card, which is basically the same thing as most 2 port ESATA expresscards. Driver support is not very good and there are stability issues with it and doesn't look like they're going to be fixed anytime soon

    The chip inside is the Silicon Image 3132. Just google that + OSX and you will see what I mean.

    Make sure you download the latest 1.1.9 driver off of Silicon's website. the RAID driver will only work if you flash the card with a RAID "BIOS" or firmware. so firmware and driver are paired with this one.
     
  4. jjahshik32 macrumors 603

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    I've never used esata.. but my external 1tb hdd has an esata + fw800 and I use the fw800 which is pretty fast..
     
  5. kingfish78 macrumors newbie

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    I put together an eSATA external usng a Kingwin Z1 enclosure, a 7200 RPM500GB Seagate SATA Hard Drive. It's connected to my MBP via a Vantec Express Card and everything works great in Leopard and on my Vista Bootcamp Partition registering full speeds near the expected 3Gb/s transfer rate. This is a comparison of about 3000Mb/s for eSATA against 800Mb/s for Firewire800, 480Mb/sec for USB2.0, and 400Mb/sec for Firewire400.

    I partitioned the eSATA drive into two halves - one that I use as a TimeMachine backup in Leopard and the other that I use for gaming installations in Vista.

    As a note... the Vantec card uses the Silicon Image chipset and registers as a generic eSATA ExpressCard device. This has caused no problems in functionality. But, the drive itself was a little cumbersome to set-up. Neither Leopard nor Vista would recognize the unformatted drive by eSATA, instead I had to connect via USB to establish initial formatting and partitions. But, once it was set-up the eSATA interface works great... and FAST.
     
  6. e12a macrumors 68000

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    Just for reference, backing up with SuperDuper! also take note that this is a "copy different" backup, so it has to evaluate and compare files on the external and the Macbook's before copying. But 7 GB in 8 minutes is pretty good imo.
     

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  7. jjahshik32 macrumors 603

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    That's pretty slow.. yesterday I tried timing the difference between fw400 and fw800 by copying a 10.78GB file from my external 1tb hdd via fw400 to my mbp.. and it took 6.2minutes and fw800 took 3.1 minutes.
     
  8. e12a macrumors 68000

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    which would slow it down. Just copied a 6.66 GB file to the external in just over 3 minutes.

    but as i mentioned earlier, the drivers at the moment for esata aren't up to par. Hopefully these issues can be fixed with the next Leopard update.
     
  9. jjahshik32 macrumors 603

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    with esata 6.66GB file I'd believe in just over 3 minutes..
     
  10. Consultant macrumors G5

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    Esata *can* be faster than firewire 800, *if* you have a properly set up RAID. However esata drives cannot be bus powered.

    The Expresscard slot can also only result in USB 2 speed, which is way slower than firewire 800. Depends on your esata card I think, but mostly comes with the real PCI express speed.
     
  11. e12a macrumors 68000

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    The SATA expresscards do not run at USB 2.0 speeds. They are connected via PCI bus. System profiler lists it as a PCI expresscard controller.

    Other cards such as expresscard card readers however, may use the USB bus.

    If esata's speed over a usb connection isnt an indication that it runs through the PCI bus, then I dont know what is.
     
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  13. CanadaRAM macrumors G5

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    That's unbelievable -- literally

    The Seagate drive itself is capable of maybe 720 Mb/s (90 MB/s) sustained output under ideal conditions. The eSATA interface is not going to make it any faster. I think that the figures you are quoting are the theoretical maximums, not accurately measured, real life results.
     
  14. Freyqq macrumors 68040

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    eh? USB 2 consistently benches slower than fw400 b\c USB 2 relies to much on the CPU, slowing it down considerably...It just theoretically can reach higher, but real world tests show otherwise..
     
  15. jjahshik32 macrumors 603

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    I have the seagate barracuda installed in the mercury elite from OWC with esata/fw800/fw400/usb 2.0... I never use the fw400/usb2.0 as fw400 is about 2 times faster than usb 2.0 and fw800 is 2x faster than fw400.. but I've never tried esata as I dont own a expresscard.
     
  16. kingfish78 macrumors newbie

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    And you would know this because?

    I didn't list model numbers. So, you're making assumptions from what you "think" you know.

    Politlely... ****
     
  17. chrisbeebops macrumors regular

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    http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/...ance,709.html?p=1987,1991,1984,1989,2002,1982

    Even the fastest 15,000 RPM SAS drives cannot top 150MB/s (1.2Gb/s). This assumes it is a straight read/write.

    The drive you have is significantly slower than the fastest drive on the chart (Seagate Cheetah 15k5).

    Your drive going at 3Gb/s is not only unlikely, it's physically impossible.
     
  18. pprior macrumors 65816

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  19. aquajet macrumors 68020

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    Because it's common knowledge that hard drive mechanisms lag behind the theoretical maximum of their interfaces.

    That's uncalled for. Lighten up.
     
  20. kingfish78 macrumors newbie

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    hmmm....
     

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  21. nuckinfutz macrumors 603

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    hahahahaha

    Come on stop the comedy.

    A single drive will not saturate a eSATA link. It's be lucky to saturate a FW800 link.

    This is easy to prove. Transfer a half gig of data on a Sata link and time it. You won't get 300MBps ..trust.
     
  22. shokunin macrumors regular

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    Uh.. that's the internal data rate, which is 3Gb/s, but that is NOT the transfer rate off the platters. You'll probably top out max at 100-120GB/sec on an empty 1 TB drive for the first 10-15% of the drive and it'll get slower as the drive fills up.

    The 3Gb/sec is like sort of like saying my macbook says I'm connected to the internet at 1 Gig-E, so I must be able to surf to surf at 1 Gig-E connection. Well unfortunatly, that gigabit ethernet connection is connected through a router to Verizon FiOS and you'll really only get 20Mb connection.

    It's a moot point anyways, since the current laptop drives lag far behind in sustained transfer rates that 3.5" desktop drives. Even if the eSATA drive could dish out 100MB/sec, the internal 2.5" drive probably can only do half that...
     
  23. pprior macrumors 65816

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    I'm going to be kind. Kingfish, please, PLEASE, stop now. Trust me on this.

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  24. pprior macrumors 65816

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    At least do it with class....

    [​IMG]
     
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