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Early Apple TV Jailbreak Opens Door to Apps

hopefully a port of the Plex iPhone app will be on the appletv asap. I'll buy one when thats possible
 
i.mac said:
Dam if they do, dam if they don't. Apple never wins in your eyes.

Let's see, you acuse apple of:

1. Lack of vision
2. Laziness
3. Contempt for their customers
4. Shameful behavior

Not worth answering to you. You have probably never created any thing in your life worth a dam. If you would, you would not have uttered all the nonsense expressed in your useless post.

Also, every one knows that pirate did not do a thing because of 'freedom'.
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Lol - wow my post really hit a raw nerve there!
I have built many things in my life, in fact my job is building things. Whether they are worth a damn is for others to decide.

I think u need to chill a little. As an apple fan, loyal customer and developer I think I have the right to show a little frustration in apples view of their "hobby". I've posted before that I feel it's sad that existing ATV owners seem to have a stronger vision of it's potential than apple do. Sorry if my outburst offended you, but just like u I have the right to express an opinion. What seems a little distasteful is your attempt to personalise the fact u dont agree with me. Whatever happened to being able to debate differing points of view on these forums without someone trying to insult me personally. Now that's the really sad bit. :(
 
Les Kern said:
"PwnageTool"
I find the whole subculture of jailbreakers kind of sad. Imagine sitting in your basement using your valuable time to hack into a 99 dollar gizmo, and when done, having exactly nothing.
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Look at it this way; people spend their entire lives at desks, working 9-5 filing papers just so they can one day retire and finally be "happy" with their lives. The Dev Team, on the other hand, hacks devices for MILLIONS of people. Be honest, what they do has done much more to affect history than anything you've done. Without them there wouldn't be an unlock which means that the phone wouldn't have been sold to a bunch of other countries after-market. Without them, we probably wouldn't have apps. Without them, the iPhone wouldn't be nearly as popular/have as many features.

What have you done to affect millions?
 
Sweeeet!And mine is out for delivery today!Hoping for an ATV Flash style solution down the road.
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kennycheng93 said:
Control Apps through Apple Remote?

Make Wii mote work on it!!! :D
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That would be way cool,but I wonder if they can make the sensor bar work,of if it would be OK without it?
Anyway,for any serious use for gaming the iPhone/touch won't work.Who wants to constantly be looking at the controller while playing a game on the TV?
I'm sure we'll see some interesting solutions for that,but I'm still mainly interested in video content for now.

Now to start ripping my Seinfeld set,and The original Twilight Zone,And Star Trek,and Red Dwarf,and Monty Python,and MST3K,and the Thunderbirds...
 
Bevz said:
I agree, and massive kudos to the jailbreakers!!!

The second they get some apps installed on this thing (Plex with NAS support, BBC iPlayer, LOCAL STORAGE VIA A USB HD etc etc) via a jailbreak i'll be buying this thing so fast my credit card will have scorch marks on it!!!! In fact i may just buy one now just so i can be part of this.... Perhaps as you say that's their game; either way they sell more ATVs.. the serious techies are happy as they have jailbroken ATV's, there is no phone company giving them grief about people hacking the device, they get to sell more ATV's, and apple get to sit back and see what apps work well on it!!
However if that is Apple's plan, it does show lack of vision, laziness and contempt for their customers, which is a shame.
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Just buy it now while you can and be ready!
 
Les Kern said:
"PwnageTool"
I find the whole subculture of jailbreakers kind of sad. Imagine sitting in your basement using your valuable time to hack into a 99 dollar gizmo, and when done, having exactly nothing.
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And playing baseball - one of the most stupid and boring games that has ever been invented - is not a waste of life?
 
cmendill said:
Don't get me wrong, it's great how quickly they were able to do this. But, why is everyone expecting that the jailbreaking/app development community will take off in the same way as with the iPhone just because this runs iOS? First and foremost, the ATV has to be as popular as the iPhone to develop such a community. I think we are a long way from that. I see this all going down the same road as the original ATV. Maybe things will be better this time because of the larger iOS app development base.

Then there is the issue of content. The ATV will still be predominantly used to watch videos. Sure, they will hack it so you can watch your divx.avi & h264.mkv files, but you could do that on the old ATV, maybe not at 1080p. Then people are going to want to watch web videos from the networks and HULU. Those are flash, and I don't think the ARM processor in this box is going to perform well decoding that without the benefit of GPU acceleration, like what you get with h264.

In my opinion, if Apple wants to keep this lightweight processing architecture, they need to do what they did with the iPhone. They need a legitimate app store and they need to pressure those content providers to switch to h264, like they did with youtube at the beginning and as some others have begun to do already.
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Dude the new Apple TV is already popular, where have you been? Its pretty much sold out at all the apple stores. They probably sold about 300k of these already...maybe even more. Plus it is the cheapest IOS device that apple makes!

Heck the cheapest 1GHZ computer you can buy!
 
I don't see how anyone could possibly think this is a bad thing, its a win win for consumers, the more choice the merrier, especially when its free
 
finding an AppleTV

I have one on pre-order from apple that isn't scheduled to ship until October 19 with a delivery of the 25th. 3rd party retailers are supposed to be getting their shipments October 6th and sending them out the same day. Looks like I'll pre-order another one from MacMall or Amazon and cancel which ever one ships last.
 
Looking ahead a bit...

So, I'm just wondering here... Being iOS based, it seems like this ATV's apps should be capable of so much more, since they'll be based on more modern Cocoa and not straddled by the 10.4 base of the old ones. I'm curious if they stripped out, again, most everything that wasn't needed from the OS. Hopefully there's access to pretty much anything that's in place now for iOS devices, minus, of course, all the Touch features.

Who knows... Maybe some apps can even emulate the touch reactions when controlled with iPhone/iPad/iPod.
 
You are doing it wrong

Too Soon.

This message is to all the devs doing Jailbreaks for these devices:

You're Doing It Wrong.

By publicizing your exploits before Apple has managed to close on their major content deals -- you are damaging people's enjoyment of this device and the very market you hope to enjoy yourselves.

Let Apple sign a bunch of content deals. The content will drive proliferation of these boxes.

THEN, after the new platform has had a chance to get some roots, publicly release your jailbreak.


As it stands right now, you have made it so that the major Networks and Hulu, and others will reject proposals by Apple. "We don't want your crappy unsecured Apple TV box. Our content will be stolen."

Apple doesn't get content, (or gets it at a high cost to users to pay for "imagined" piracy costs).

If Apple can't do Content Deals, then Consumers won't see the value in an Apple TV.

If Consumers don't see the value in Apple TV, the product fails, and everyone loses. No Apache LAMP platform running on your Apple TV, No home theatre MythTV port... Nothing.

You guys are ruining a good thing. Just keep quiet for a month or two until the deals are signed and things start ramping up...
 
Stngray said:
Well I just ordered my new atv in anticipation of what this will bring.
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I ordered mine the minute it was announced, because I knew it would be hacked as soon as it came out.

I got it yesterday and even though it can't play .MKV's only .M4V .MP4 it's still a real nice device. I used handbreak to convert IronMan 2 1080P (the one with the Dutch subs) set the bitrate to 5k and it was able to play it over wi-fi.

I'm not going to re-encode my movies, i'll just wait for XBMC, Boxee, or the VLC to watch my .MKV's. on this thing.

But for a $100, HDMI, 8Gig, Flash? I might not even buy the Boxee box and instead get 2 more of these.
 
Nice.

This will help push Apples software developers. It will ultimately help the evolvement of features offered by the official AppleTV.
 
apple tv server

This inexpensive device could make a great little server too. SSH in and run Apache, MySQL, php, bind9, irc with no problems using this hardware. Maybe connect a USB hard drive for extra storage. 100MBit ethernet to the WAN and share it via WLAN, acts as a router.

At this price point, just buy another one for redundancy... Did I mention ridiculously low power consumption?
 
Don Kosak said:
Too Soon.

This message is to all the devs doing Jailbreaks for these devices:

You're Doing It Wrong.

By publicizing your exploits before Apple has managed to close on their major content deals -- you are damaging people's enjoyment of this device and the very market you hope to enjoy yourselves.

Let Apple sign a bunch of content deals. The content will drive proliferation of these boxes.

THEN, after the new platform has had a chance to get some roots, publicly release your jailbreak.


As it stands right now, you have made it so that the major Networks and Hulu, and others will reject proposals by Apple. "We don't want your crappy unsecured Apple TV box. Our content will be stolen."

Apple doesn't get content, (or gets it at a high cost to users to pay for "imagined" piracy costs).

If Apple can't do Content Deals, then Consumers won't see the value in an Apple TV.

If Consumers don't see the value in Apple TV, the product fails, and everyone loses. No Apache LAMP platform running on your Apple TV, No home theatre MythTV port... Nothing.

You guys are ruining a good thing. Just keep quiet for a month or two until the deals are signed and things start ramping up...
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On the contrary. A jailbroken Apple TV running apps will show content providers the market they are missing out on and get Apple the deals it needs while giving Apple ideas on how to best run an Apple TV app store.

While Apple fights jailbreaking in public, I'm sure that in private they're are quite happy with some of the benefits it provides. Jailbreakers do all the dirty work that Apple can't do because of laws and licensing restrictions.
 
jeznav said:
We can thank the devteam/jailbreakers that enabled native apps on the iPhone.

Prior to that, when Steve Jobs gave birth to the iPhone in 2007, it was only meant to run Web-Apps. Because of the large interest of the dev community of wanting to code and run native apps and creating a custom tool-chain, Apple then released iPhone SDK 1.0 a year after along with AppStore.
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Good grief. Do people really believe this?

There is no way that Apple would invest all the effort into developing a world-class mobile development environment and then only use it for in-house development. The intention from the very beginning of the iPhone project was to run third party apps - it was simply the case that the API's were still maturing and Apple needed more time to finalize them before releasing them to the general development community. By doing so, they ensured that apps released on day one would (mostly) be compatible with all subsequent devices. They wanted to make sure that apps were perceived as reliable and safe - having all kinds of version dependencies is a huge turn-off for consumers. So they lied and claimed the future was web apps - and made us wait a year for third party apps.

Apple has long range strategic plans that run out for years - the iPhone was the first step in Apple plan to recapture the mass market/consumer computing market. I have little doubt that the iPad was envisioned before the iPhone even shipped - the iPhone was the ideal platform to refine the touch interface (partly because the expectations for cell phone GUIs were so low). In many ways, the goal was the iPad, with the iPhone as a means to that end.

Apple now has the core iOS running on a huge range of devices:

iPod touch - iPhone - iPad - AppleTV (and maybe the new nano?)

I expect that within 5 years there will be the option to run iOS applications on even more mobile devices, on your HDTV (via AppleTV), and on laptop and iMac form-factor devices.

Apple has an opportunity here to reclaim a large percentage of the overall consumer computing market, by offering a simple and elegant interface and OS over a broad spectrum of hardware form-factors. One key element of that is computing in the living room - yes, there are many people who would use their HDTV for running apps and viewing the web and interactive with their favorite TV shows. The hardware is now there - the AppleTV. The software will come soon.

Apple doesn't need the Dev Team to point out the value of running apps on the AppleTV.

They figured that out years ago...
 
If somebody comes up with an app to play Amazon VOD, and stream VOB from my NAS, I would be really happy.
 
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