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Early Hands-On Impression and Overview of Retina MacBook Pro

hspace said:
HDMI out allows you to connect to a TV directly. :D Shall I explain USB next? :cool:
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Right, that is obviously the PURPOSE of HDMI, but why introduce it now on a device that will Airplay Mirror everything? I mean I would take a third thunderbolt port, Firewire, or Mini DVI instead of HDMI. Seems kind of limiting, plus all the Airplay support coming...
 
dlimes13 said:
It may be retina, but isn't it still a 1440x900 workspace?
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Yes, but you can turn down the font size and still be able to read things. In applications like Aperture it means you can judge images at a smaller physical size.
 
manu chao said:
Yes, but you can turn down the font size and still be able to read things. In applications like Aperture it means you can judge images at a smaller physical size.
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Right but won't all the window elements still take up more space then my current high res mbp? I really want one of these I just don't want to loose a bunch of work space.
 
loderunner said:
I'm pretty sure both are not upgradable; the demo video on the apple site seem to show that the RAM is soldered directly on the board.
I'm pretty ignorant on SSD, but it looks really squeezed in place, hence don't expect it to be upgradable...
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Which is ridiculous. Planned obsolescence at its finest.

My current MacBook Pro is from 2007. Yes, five years old and still holding on. I've upgraded the stock RAM and replaced the stock 120 GB hard drive with a 750 GB one -- if I couldn't have done that, then I would probably have gotten frustrated and sold the laptop two or three years ago. Obviously that's exactly what Apple wants.

"Way back when", one used to be able to marvel at how long a Mac would last compared to its Wintel counterparts. I guess Apple realized that wasn't making them money.
 
But.... Does it supports Flash? :D :D

Well amazing and for those complaining about no ethernet port... BUY the thunderbolt adapter !

And why not micro hdmi?
 
T5BRICK said:
If they were offering one, I'm sure they would have mentioned it.

I'm just guessing here, but I would say that the Intel HD4000 isn't powerful enough to drive a high resolution display and there isn't space for discrete graphics.

It's unfortunate too, because I was waiting for the 13" model as well.
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The HD4000 is powerful enough to drive 'a' high-resolution display, just not two, ie, couldn't drive an internal retina display + a large external one.
 
iScott428 said:
Right, that is obviously the PURPOSE of HDMI, but why introduce it now on a device that will Airplay Mirror everything? I mean I would take a third thunderbolt port, Firewire, or Mini DVI instead of HDMI. Seems kind of limiting, plus all the Airplay support coming...
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You can't "airplay" straight to a tv, you have to have an ATV connected, quite a bit more inconvenient than carrying just an hdmi cable.

While folks have chided the original question, it is a curious shift as Apple's solution up until this point has been to use a TB->HDMI/DVI converter. Finally an admission on Apple's part that these converters ALL suck (including their own)?
 
iScott428 said:
Right, that is obviously the PURPOSE of HDMI, but why introduce it now on a device that will Airplay Mirror everything? I mean I would take a third thunderbolt port, Firewire, or Mini DVI instead of HDMI. Seems kind of limiting, plus all the Airplay support coming...
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If I did get this, I would like the HDMI to use my big TV as my monitor : O
 
ArcaneDevice said:
And how many homes do you go to that have TV set? Or hotel rooms? Or conference rooms that have projectors? Or ...
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Right, so both HDMI and VGA/DVI still have their purpose. Plug into your TV set via the HDMI port, plug into projectors via DVI/VGA. Personally I plug into VGA projectors *far* more often than I plug into people's TVs. I have a DVI-to-HDMI dongle for that exact purpose, but I think I've used it only a handful of times. My DVI-to-VGA dongle has a permanent place in my laptop bag because I use it almost every time I have need to pick up my MBP and go somewhere.

At least HDMI is signal-compatible with DVI and hopefully they are also still sending an analog VGA signal for a VGA dongle.
 
ArcaneDevice said:
The old MBP is far better value. For $2100 you get everything on the $2700 Retina with the exception of an SSD and Retina display. Plus more ports, more hard drive storage space and an optical drive.

You pay $600 more for less hardware everywhere else but more pixels.
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More ports? The retina has an an additional USB 3 port, an additional TB port and the HDMI port. It lacks FW800, Ethernet, and audio in. I call that a draw.
 
ArcaneDevice said:
The old MBP is far better value. For $2100 you get everything on the $2700 Retina with the exception of an SSD and Retina display. Plus more ports, more hard drive storage space and an optical drive.

You pay $600 more for less hardware everywhere else but more pixels.
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The processor on the $2799 model is also faster... but I agree to me the $2199 one is the much better value. The big question I want to know, is the flash drive user upgradeable and also the memory?
 
manu chao said:
The HD4000 is powerful enough to drive 'a' high-resolution display, just not two, ie, couldn't drive an internal retina display + a large external one.
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Couldn't exactly call it a "Pro" laptop if you aren't able to plug a second display in, right?
 
loderunner said:
Will someone tell the engadget guy to NEVER, EVER, scratch two macbooks against each other like in this video?
I can feel it down my spine!
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lol, I was thinking the exact same thing, was envisioning this Apple rep off camera grinding his teeth and taking a step forwards hands at the ready.
 
bitWrangler said:
While folks have chided the original question, it is a curious shift as Apple's solution up until this point has been to use a TB->HDMI/DVI converter. Finally an admission on Apple's part that these converters ALL suck (including their own)?
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Technically, it is a mDP to HDMI/DVI converter, the TB can send either a DP signal or a TB signal (and the DP can be send over TB if the other end is also TB).
 
T5BRICK said:
Couldn't exactly call it a "Pro" laptop if you aren't able to plug a second display in, right?
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It has two GPUs. One Intel HD4000 and one 650M.

From the specs:

Dual display and video mirroring: Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display and up to 2560 by 1600 pixels on up to two external displays, at millions of colors

Which means you can have up to three displays running at a time, including the one on the notebook. So absolutely maxed out you could have the 2880x1800 display, a 2560x1600 display, and another 2560x1600 display all running simultaneously as one large desktop or mirrored.
 
T5BRICK said:
Couldn't exactly call it a "Pro" laptop if you aren't able to plug a second display in, right?
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Absolutely. It just shows that Apple rather releases nothing than a half-baked product (as a general rule, exceptions apply).
 
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