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Early Speculation: iPhone 5 due in June 2012... thoughts?

Sandman1969 said:
They are alike as much as they are different. So he has a point. Also, I think they will keep an October release going into the future. Not everyone is on a 2 year upgrade schedule. Anyone with AT&T and a Family plan, the primary account is a 12 month upgrade. At least everyone I know. Not sure other carriers.

As the two devices begin to share the same hardware it makes since for Apple to stagger their release more to keep up with demand.

People who have an iPhone and like them will wait after their contract expires for the next iPhone. Android isn't going to pull me away. I am sure we will have a good indication of the release just like we did this year. We knew around July that October was the likely time frame.




You did say that Apple will ensure they have a shiny new iPhone ready when peoples contract expires. Yet as the other person mentioned, they didn't have that shiny new iPhone ready this year. So...
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One is primarily a phone, the other isn't. I agree, I did say that they will have a shiny new phone, they didn't this year because it was not at the end of a two year contract. So...

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Small White Car said:
I QUOTED your post. Let's read it again:



I read this as meaning:

If Apple doesn't release a new iPhone 2 years after the iPhone 4 came out then consumers coming off their 2 year contract will consider Android phones instead. If Apple does that they're being stupid.

Is that interpretation wrong? You say it is. Since I'm wrong, can you tell me what you really meant?
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Read it, I never once said they are stupid, quite the opposite, I said they were not daft.
 
daveathall said:
One is primarily a phone, the other isn't. I agree, I did say that they will have a shiny new phone, they didn't this year because it was not at the end of a two year contract. So...
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Both are iOS touch screen based devices. They share a LARGE number of Apps.
Yes, they are different, yet they have A Ton of similarities.

It was at the end of a two year contract for a lot of users. Also, a lot of users don't have to wait until their 2 year contract is over to upgrade. I get the upgrade price after 12 months. So I could have switched a to a Droid in June without any penalty, other than signing a new 2 year commitment.

You know what I did? I waited until October for the 4S that I knew was around the corner.

Apple, doesn't care about your Contract. They care about sales. They will make their numbers with a June/July release and they will make their numbers with an October release. Just look at their sales during the 3rd quarter. They dropped, because people were waiting for the new iPhone, not because people were buying the shiny new Droid that was released during the lull. Then they had record sales with the 4S because those people waited...
 
Small White Car said:
It's my "opinion" that 2011 is 2 years after 2009? Yes, that is my personal opinion.

If your opinion is different on that matter then I guess I'm out of arguments.
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looks like we will have to wait till June/July to re engage.

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Sandman1969 said:
Both are iOS touch screen based devices. They share a LARGE number of Apps.
Yes, they are different, yet they have A Ton of similarities.

It was at the end of a two year contract for a lot of users. Also, a lot of users don't have to wait until their 2 year contract is over to upgrade. I get the upgrade price after 12 months. So I could have switched a to a Droid in June without any penalty, other than signing a new 2 year commitment.

You know what I did? I waiting until October for the 4S that I knew was around the corner.

Apple, doesn't care about your Contract. They care about sales. They will make their numbers with a June/July release and they will make their numbers with an October release. Just look at their sales during the 3rd quarter. They dropped, because people were waiting for the new iPhone, not because people were buying the shiny new Droid that was released during the lull. Then they had record sales with the 4S because those people waited...
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My argument remains, one is a phone the other is a tablet.

I agree, Apple does care about sales, but just because you waited for the new phone, doesn't mean that everyone else will, my point is that at the end of a two year contract, is when a lot of sales will occur.

I am afraid that we, in the end will have to agree to disagree.
 
Small White Car said:
It's my "opinion" that 2011 is 2 years after 2009? Yes, that is my personal opinion.

If your opinion is different on that matter then I guess I'm out of arguments.
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LOL

I feel your pain. But such is the way internet message boards go.
 
daveathall said:
looks like we will have to wait till June/July to re engage.

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My argument remains, one is a phone the other is a tablet.

I agree, Apple does care about sales, but just because you waited for the new phone, doesn't mean that everyone else will, my point is that at the end of a two year contract, is when a lot of sales will occur.

I am afraid that we, in the end will have to agree to disagree.
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I waited along with probably a couple other million waited. Did you not see the record sales the 4S had?

Yeah one is a phone and they both have a lot of similarities. I guess if you have to wait until June/July 2012 to realize 2009 + 2 years is 2011... I may as well talk to a wall.
 
I waited as well...just in case. The 4s wasn't a big enough upgrade for me to justify it especially if there was a chance that I'd miss out on the next iteration.
 
Sandman1969 said:
I waited along with probably a couple other million waited. Did you not see the record sales the 4S had?

Yeah one is a phone and they both have a lot of similarities. I guess if you have to wait until June/July 2012 to realize 2009 + 2 years is 2011... I may as well talk to a wall.
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If I go out to buy a phone, I will not come back with a tablet.

I was trying to keep it civil, I suppose you are proud of your last sentence.

Like I said in my first post on the subject. JMHO.
 
It may come earlier than the 4s. I remember reading something about Cook being disappointed about not meeting some financial deadline blah blah blah so maybe theyll include the 5 in this years.
 
I'd be inclined to agree that it makes sense for Apple to release the new model as people come out of their 2-year iPhone 4 contracts in 2012.

If it arrives later in the year (e.g. October), many will wait, a few will buy a 4S and others will be tempted by the newest shiny thing availble, whether it be a WinPhone device, an Android device or whatever else comes along. It's the latter group that I'm sure Apple are well aware of.

It wouldn't surprise me at all to then see a continued two-tier approach to releases with each revision change coming in the same format - i.e. iPhone n and the next year, iPhone nS to catch people at the end of the contract term cycles.

Like many, the iPhone 4s had absolutely no redeeming features over my IP4 (i.e. quite happy with my 4 and the things I like about it are unchanged in the new model) so I am on hold until something comes along that blows me away.. that may not necessarily be an iOS handset but I'm sure Apple would like it to be - as with everyone else in the same situation.
 
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For what it's worth, when my Sprint contract expires in April I am going to AT&T with an iPhone 4S. It is the fastest data network over 3G and in 2 years in 2014 when LTE is truly rolled out I will reconsider my carriers now that I have used them all.

The moral of this story: There will always be a new phone and technology around the corner. Buy what works today and it will last. I expect the 4G iPhone to have some quirks when it launches. And 3G HSPA+ isn't by any means slow.
 
daveathall said:
If I go out to buy a phone, I will not come back with a tablet.

I was trying to keep it civil, I suppose you are proud of your last sentence.

Like I said in my first post on the subject. JMHO.
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Keeping it civil, yet disregarding other's opinion? And questioning 2009 + 2 is not 2011?

Sorry you took my response badly, but your responses to some of the other's opinions were just as un-civil.

Facts were given to you, yet you just disregarded. Which is why I typed what I typed. Trying to discuss with someone that can't see the other side, is like talking to a wall.

The fact was that MANY people's contract expired and were up for upgrade between June and the release date of the 4S. About every AT&T Family plan customer that bought the 4 at release (which was a ton) were up for upgrade in June/July this year. iPhone sales dropped significantly during the time frame of July - October. I believe it was one of their worst quarters for iPhone sales. Then the 4S was released and it broke records with sales. Which shows that many of the people who were able to upgrade through contract expiration or upgrade option waited until the 4S was released.

So Apple did wait to release their shiny new phone during a period when new Droids were being released.
Not to mention quite a few people will buy iPhones without a contract.

Also, yes the iPad and iPhone are different since one actually is a phone. Yet there are people that won't buy the iPad because they have an iPhone. There are also plenty similarities. A good percentage of Apps run on both, they have the same components, they run the same OS, many core system app are the same.

I would think some people would not buy both if they were released very close together. Though I did buy our iPads shortly after I bought my 4S, though that was for our Anniversary. I probably would have waited if it wasn't for that "justification"
 
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