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Early Version of Intel's Nehalem Benchmarked, Much Faster than Penryn
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There is a debate over this. Basically, Nehalem means Brooks in Hebrew. As current generations of Intel processors are designed and developed mainly in Israel, the hebrew translation of Nehalem makes sense. It is pronounced:
Neh - Ha - Lim (brooks in plural). However, there have been suggestions that it is also the name of a place in the US (old Indian name or something like that).
I believe that Nehalem is in Hebrew as all recent designs from Intel (the Tik part of the tik-tok strategy) are in Hebrew: Dothan (place in Israel), Merom (high place in the sky), Yonah (Pigeon), Nehalem (brooks) and then Gesher (bridge). These are all words in Hebrew. By the way, the variants (like Conroe) are developed in the US, but the core design is from Israel - hence the Hebrew names.
By the way, Wikipedia states that Nehalem is called after an Indian tribe that lived near Oregon... so go figure what's the truth!
Anyway, it's going to kick ass in my next Mac Pro
I just HAD to buy the stupid 8-core Mac Pro this year, didn't I
Thankfully, I won't need more than that until 2010 most likely, so I'll just look forward to the Nehalem-based mobile chips for my next MBAir. May even wait till Westmere.
Don't sweat it. My 1st gen top of the line Mac Pro is still nauseatingly fast when compared to even the most recent machines, and it's two years old. With a machine like that, there is no wrong time to buy.
So what order would we expect to see this introduced to the Mac line-up:
1st - Mac Pro
2nd - Mac Book Pro
3rd - Imac
Is January 2009 really a realistic date for Apple to start rolling this out across their range?
Finally, as far as Mac Book Pro and Imac goes, do you think we would have to wait for far later in 2009 before they get this chipset designed to work at lower power consumption?
Question, Questions, always questions!
1st - Mac Pro
2nd - Mac Book Pro
3rd - Imac
Is January 2009 really a realistic date for Apple to start rolling this out across their range?
Finally, as far as Mac Book Pro and Imac goes, do you think we would have to wait for far later in 2009 before they get this chipset designed to work at lower power consumption?
Question, Questions, always questions!
Any word on operating temperatures? That's really the key in my opinion - because of cooling issues. Does it slow down when it gets hot? How hot does it get? The last PC I had with a quad core in it had so many fans that I had to have an 850 watt power supply to run them all. And the noise.....
Rich
And the noise.....Rich
Any word on operating temperatures? That's really the key in my opinion - because of cooling issues. Does it slow down when it gets hot? How hot does it get? The last PC I had with a quad core in it had so many fans that I had to have an 850 watt power supply to run them all.
Rich
Supposedly TDP is around 80W. All modern Intel CPUs will throttle their clock when running too hot. Too hot happens to be around 100C.
TBH, I am not surprised. IMC was a huge performance boost for AMD (AXP->A64) so it seems inline. What is going to be the crazy part is when they start putting more than 4 cores on one die. That is when all the fun is going to begin...
The day it goes into a Mac Pro is the day the Mac Pro goes into my office.
And prior to opening their Mobile CPU design center in Israel, Intel has traditionally named their cores after rivers in Oregon, so either source could apply for the name since Nehalem will be used across both desktops and notebooks.
And prior to opening their Mobile CPU design center in Israel, Intel has traditionally named their cores after rivers in Oregon, so either source could apply for the name since Nehalem will be used across both desktops and notebooks.
AMD is so in trouble...
Which is a shame. It was the competition from AMD that forced Intel to rethink their whole approach with the P4 and evolve the Core and Core 2 architecture that has been such a success.
The next step looks like being a doozie.
Which is a shame. It was the competition from AMD that forced Intel to rethink their whole approach with the P4 and evolve the Core and Core 2 architecture that has been such a success.
The next step looks like being a doozie.
That's why I've been waiting for Nehalem, no matter how good these new MBP's are. Nehalem is just going to rock and IMC is going to make it blazingly fast!!
If you guys have a chance, check out the roadmap on Wiki, found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehalem_(microarchitecture)#Variants
If you check it out, you can see three processors that would fit nice in the Macs because of the TDP. The one if the "Value Mobile", which has an integrated GPU and runs at 35/45 TDP. It'll come 2Q 2009 and will only have 2 cores (but 4 if you include the hyper-threading ability, mean 4 logical cores, but 2 physical). This screams MacBook to me.
Next, you can see the "Mainstream Mobile", which runs a little hotter at 45/55 TDP, but comes with 4 physical cores and comes 2Q 2009 as well. This sounds like MacBook Pro and iMac to me (I honestly think the iMac's will see quad core probably by year-end).
Finally, last but not least, at 130 TDP, you see the Nehalem-EX, which is a MP Server processor. This seems to fit in the MacPro, because it has FB-DIMM RAM and also uses QuickPath for the processors to talk to each other easier, it will come 4Q 2009 (sorry MacPro owners) BUT COMES WITH 8 PHYSICAL PROCESSORS. That means 16 processors on the MacPro come 2010 or so. YES, 16 PROCESSORS!!
You heard it hear first guys, I think this makes sense for Apple.
If you guys have a chance, check out the roadmap on Wiki, found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehalem_(microarchitecture)#Variants
If you check it out, you can see three processors that would fit nice in the Macs because of the TDP. The one if the "Value Mobile", which has an integrated GPU and runs at 35/45 TDP. It'll come 2Q 2009 and will only have 2 cores (but 4 if you include the hyper-threading ability, mean 4 logical cores, but 2 physical). This screams MacBook to me.
Next, you can see the "Mainstream Mobile", which runs a little hotter at 45/55 TDP, but comes with 4 physical cores and comes 2Q 2009 as well. This sounds like MacBook Pro and iMac to me (I honestly think the iMac's will see quad core probably by year-end).
Finally, last but not least, at 130 TDP, you see the Nehalem-EX, which is a MP Server processor. This seems to fit in the MacPro, because it has FB-DIMM RAM and also uses QuickPath for the processors to talk to each other easier, it will come 4Q 2009 (sorry MacPro owners) BUT COMES WITH 8 PHYSICAL PROCESSORS. That means 16 processors on the MacPro come 2010 or so. YES, 16 PROCESSORS!!
You heard it hear first guys, I think this makes sense for Apple.
The MP's are 4 socket chip/boards. Apple (currently) uses the DP chips/boards.
If Apple were to move to the 4 socket boards expect a price increase as I have seen 4 socket servers start at $6000. But that would be impressive, there would be 32 cores in one system (the MP are 8 cores a chip).
sounds good,
I'm waiting until Nehalem is in the MBP's to retire my PB 1.67 from daily use.
hope Apple gets an early deal again.
maybe the Mini's will get it by 2012
I'm waiting until Nehalem is in the MBP's to retire my PB 1.67 from daily use.
hope Apple gets an early deal again.
maybe the Mini's will get it by 2012
so after WWDC is then the best time to buy a MBP or MB. Nehalem mobile chips will be out in one year or so. No worries to be outdated too soon.
A few questions for 2009:
How expensive will the mobile Nehalem be?
How expensive will DDR3 be?
When can we expect a 4 core Nehalem?
Together with an affordable 256GB SSD drive my guess is that a new MBP is in order for 2010 for me. So should update my G4 right after WWDC and then 2010 again.
A few questions for 2009:
How expensive will the mobile Nehalem be?
How expensive will DDR3 be?
When can we expect a 4 core Nehalem?
Together with an affordable 256GB SSD drive my guess is that a new MBP is in order for 2010 for me. So should update my G4 right after WWDC and then 2010 again.
We will probably get the Gainestown for the Mac Pro at MSWF 2009: dual processor capable, 4 cores each (for 8 total), 2x Quickpath would basically be the logical speedbump from the current Penryn Mac Pro's.
My thoughts exactly....
Apple always seems to be a little delayed on updating Mac Pros & iMacs to a new chip after it's release... not to mention how long the wait seems to be to get a new piece of Intel hardware into a MBP. Just my 2 cents.
Are you sure it will out in early next year? What's a short life Montivena platform will be...
Apple always seems to be a little delayed on updating Mac Pros & iMacs to a new chip after it's release... not to mention how long the wait seems to be to get a new piece of Intel hardware into a MBP. Just my 2 cents.
UGH! Another Mac update in the Fall, there's ALWAYS going to be a new Intel processor, so my SR MacBook Pro will go down in value.. again!
