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First and foremost, I am a huge privacy advocate, and live in fear of what the government is doing to erode our Citizens' Constitutional & Civil Rights in the name of Homeland Security.

Secondly, I do believe that there is a difference between Watching & Besetting, and shooting a RAM Card full of photos of a property and its surroundings. It seems to have been a one time effort, so stalking is out. Privacy applies to a home's interior, and gardens, but not to its exteriors (terraserver anyone?). Your license plate is public property, etc.

Most importantly, I think it is important to illustrate (via this case), that OPEN information, exchanged PUBLICLY, can yeild results which will ASSIST Law Enforcement in making arrests which otherwise would not have been made.

Notice that the press often aceive similar results by publicizing a problem, photographically and in text? Without Watching and Besetting, without stalking, etc.

He didn't use the information in a clandestine way, secreting it away for purposes of control (1984). He didn't use it for blackmail. He made it OPEN, and that openess of information helped create results.

This is not some guy collating information on when you pee in the morning so he can use it to profile you. This is not some guy scanning every e-mail for the word Allah. This is not some guy doing his stalking, as I think was proven adequately by the (verifiable) names he included in his documentation. This was not a child pornographer (they don't often invlove the police with their computers). This was a taxpayer getting the shaft.

This was a guy who's $3000 problem was less important than lesser, more public crimes & and greater, more threatening crimes. This was a guy who got no justice from the justice system, so he handed them all the clues on a silver freakin platter.

This is a guy who was smart enough to get some results...not by being a vigiliante, but by creating enough clamor, by providing enough evidence, by doing enough research, that Law Enforcement would have been publicly shamed by not completing the arrest.
 
EBAY APPLE FRUAD

I have also been frauded by ebay while bidding on an Apple Powerbook G4. The person's ebay account name is hannahca and goes by the name Rene Duclos.

The following is what I got from ebay.......
Item name: Apple Titanium PowerBook
> Item #: 1773669954
> Buy It Now price: $1,700.00

Becuase ebay voided the auction AFTER I won it, I went ahead with the payment and lost the money. A acomplicatino with Western Union (his method of payment) has made the payment twice.

I implore anyone who can help me find this culprit.

By the way, I bought the powerbook from Apple, and I will never trust ebay again. I ask all who are bidding from ebay to cancel their bids. The seller happened to be from Germany, and I have contacted German law enforecement but have yet to hear from them. Inccident happne about 1 1/2 months ago.


On a seperate incident...............

I also recieved a fraud notice from an email masqurading to be an ebay employee, saying that I have been chosen by ebay on their "lucky draw" and has been entitled to a powerbook for only $1600. I forwarded the email to ebay, and again, it was a fruad.

At the same time, I do not trust the security of Western Union and I regret to do business with them. They are not relieable of checking the person who will collect your money, have no consumer fraud protection, and is not capable of tracing people who collected money from you. The company, in my opinion, waste people's time filling up forms that they could not use or verify.
 
I'm glad i read this forum because about a month ago this same individual (a.k.a. steve matthews jobs) ripped us out of 2000 for a new dual 867 powermac. The thing that irritated me the most about the fraud was that he asked us to airmail the package to him since he needed it immediately for his kid going off to college - this cost us an extra 150 dollars... it just goes to show you that this guy has absolutely no conscience. Anyway, we hope that everyone who was scammed by this guy (there are about 10 of us so far) will step forward so we can put him behind bars for a long time. Oh by the way, it doesn't seem likely that any of us will get our money back.
 
Hurray!!

This kind of stories makes me proud to be a part of the Mac community!!! It's one of the best stories I've read in a long time (since the Timbuktu iMac-tracing case).

:) :) :)

To benderbot:mad: :
You make such a big case out of the fact that the Mac community should not have trused Eric, since he might be a stalker, or, in other words, a criminal. And people in the community should not take pictures of a persons house, because he might not be a conman afterall... WHERE'S YOUR LOGIC????? Do you mean we can't trust people posting on the internet, but have to assume they have bad intentions when they ask for help?
 
Originally posted by SPG
Bender, You choose the argument of the contrarian, yet you do not follow it elsewhere. You can argue anything, but it doesn't make you right. It is very obvious that your theoretical doesn't apply here.
If we assume everything to be a ruse meant to take advantage of us, our very society would cease to function. Not everyone is out to screw you. Some of them are, and with luck you will be able to differentiate the two. Do you have to check every bill and coin to see that they aren't counterfeit? Do you ever take anyone's word, or do you need absolute proof before you will believe them?
We are a society of free individuals who should not be scared to help ourselves when appropriate. The government and the law are extensions of our common will and not absolute authorities over our every action. Use your personal judgement before you act.
I was the victim of a massive theft ($14,000 details on the other thread) and I was able to recover what was mine because of people who got involved to help where the authorities were unable to. Nothing illegal was done, but the police cannot contact every possible outlet for stolen goods for every crime, so friends of mine and even people I didn't know felt for me and helped. When one of the items that was stolen was spotted, the police were called in, thanked us for our help and took over.
There is a woman who tells me just about every night a story of how she was mugged or lost her wallet, or she needs bus fare back home, or her car is out of gas, you get the point. I don't give her money because I know she is lying to get money. My girlfriend patiently listens to the story and then gives her some change knowing that the stories are lies because she feels sorry for the woman.

Judge for yourself. Live your life. Trust if you think they deserve it, don't trust if you don't think they do. But please, after the fact there is little room for your insistence on this point. Your just coming across as a party pooper, and nobody likes a party pooper.

Good Point.

:cool:
 
Re: Hurray!!

Originally posted by crassusad44
This kind of stories makes me proud to be a part of the Mac community!!! It's one of the best stories I've read in a long time (since the Timbuktu iMac-tracing case).

:) :) :)

To benderbot:mad: :
You make such a big case out of the fact that the Mac community should not have trused Eric, since he might be a stalker, or, in other words, a criminal. And people in the community should not take pictures of a persons house, because he might not be a conman afterall... WHERE'S YOUR LOGIC????? Do you mean we can't trust people posting on the internet, but have to assume they have bad intentions when they ask for help?

Excellent Point.

:cool:
 
Originally posted by maluscanis
I'm glad i read this forum because about a month ago this same individual (a.k.a. steve matthews jobs) ripped us out of 2000 for a new dual 867 powermac. The thing that irritated me the most about the fraud was that he asked us to airmail the package to him since he needed it immediately for his kid going off to college - this cost us an extra 150 dollars... it just goes to show you that this guy has absolutely no conscience. Anyway, we hope that everyone who was scammed by this guy (there are about 10 of us so far) will step forward so we can put him behind bars for a long time. Oh by the way, it doesn't seem likely that any of us will get our money back.

Yea... an he ripped me too... ya dat's da ticket... I had a million dollars, and dis guy took it too...

We are SO over the line with Libel.

:cool:
 
Originally posted by Nipsy
First and foremost, I am a huge privacy advocate, and live in fear of what the government is doing to erode our Citizens' Constitutional & Civil Rights in the name of Homeland Security.

Secondly, I do believe that there is a difference between Watching & Besetting, and shooting a RAM Card full of photos of a property and its surroundings. It seems to have been a one time effort, so stalking is out. Privacy applies to a home's interior, and gardens, but not to its exteriors (terraserver anyone?). Your license plate is public property, etc.

Most importantly, I think it is important to illustrate (via this case), that OPEN information, exchanged PUBLICLY, can yeild results which will ASSIST Law Enforcement in making arrests which otherwise would not have been made.

Notice that the press often aceive similar results by publicizing a problem, photographically and in text? Without Watching and Besetting, without stalking, etc.

He didn't use the information in a clandestine way, secreting it away for purposes of control (1984). He didn't use it for blackmail. He made it OPEN, and that openess of information helped create results.

This is not some guy collating information on when you pee in the morning so he can use it to profile you. This is not some guy scanning every e-mail for the word Allah. This is not some guy doing his stalking, as I think was proven adequately by the (verifiable) names he included in his documentation. This was not a child pornographer (they don't often invlove the police with their computers). This was a taxpayer getting the shaft.

This was a guy who's $3000 problem was less important than lesser, more public crimes & and greater, more threatening crimes. This was a guy who got no justice from the justice system, so he handed them all the clues on a silver freakin platter.

This is a guy who was smart enough to get some results...not by being a vigiliante, but by creating enough clamor, by providing enough evidence, by doing enough research, that Law Enforcement would have been publicly shamed by not completing the arrest.

That's the best summary I've read yet. But wouldn't you feel more peaceful taking pictures of the ducks and turtles at the park?

Worse yet... what about this scenario... "Hi my names BillyBub ... ma nayber he ah-givs me dis itchee feelun... ya now da feelun... so ahs ahgonna set up ma web camra and flim him all da time from now on... I jus get itchee lookin at him... ahs a nose its ok cause dat intern net says its so... an all da idees I get frum dere Ise act on dem, even dow I do not nows wedder deys legal or not really."

:cool:
 
Re: EBAY APPLE FRUAD

Originally posted by Kristava
I have also been frauded by ebay while bidding on an Apple Powerbook G4. The person's ebay account name is hannahca and goes by the name Rene Duclos.


Correction ... you have ALLEGEDLY been defrauded. You know that itsy bitsy thing ... innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. ... although I would submit your honor that the post on MacRumors mentioning my clients name is prima facia evidence of criminal libel... etc etc

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Originally posted by solvs


...Third: The scammer was guilty.

Good point... but there is that itsy bitsy little thing... the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty... you know ... in a court of law.

:cool:
 
Originally posted by BenderBot1138


Yea... an he ripped me too... ya dat's da ticket... I had a million dollars, and dis guy took it too...

We are SO over the line with Libel.

:cool:
He would have to be making a knowingly false statement (like you did ;) ) to have a good chance of losing a libel case.

If he believes this is thief enough to file a complaint against him and to have the man arrested - and the police happened to pick up a few more forged checks in the guys hands - the chances of a libel case getting past the jurisdiction dispute are remote.

Plus what is the guy going to do, argue that these threads ruined his criminal enterprise?
 
Originally posted by Sun Baked

He would have to be making a knowingly false statement (like you did) to have a good chance of losing a libel case.

If he believes this is thief enough to file a complaint against him and to have the man arrested - and the police happened to pick up a few more forged checks in the guys hands - the chances of a libel case getting past the jurisdiction dispute are remote.

Plus what is the guy going to do, argue that these threads ruined his criminal enterprise?

Unless it's not a criminal enterprise... maybe the poor guy is innocent... I have yet to hear a judge say, and ultimately, that is all that counts. If a judge says innocent, then all ^ this ^ can be evidence of damage to the person (reputation).

:cool:
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By the way count blah is very good... did you make that?
 
Re: Re: EBAY APPLE FRUAD

Originally posted by BenderBot1138


Correction ... you have ALLEGEDLY been defrauded. You know that itsy bitsy thing ... innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. ... although I would submit your honor that the post on MacRumors mentioning my clients name is prima facia evidence of criminal libel... etc etc

But wouldn't you feel more peaceful taking pictures of the ducks and turtles at the park?
:cool:

Nope, you've been defrauded from the getgo. Whether or not a fraud conviction occurs is the result of the Justice system...if I take your million bucks, but am not convicted, you've still been defrauded. At that point, I am allegedly the perpetrator of the fraud.

If the justice systems pays you no mind, and you solve the problem for them, and the make they make the arrest and prosecution and conviction, then well bingo!

I'd certainly feel peaceful shooting photos of ducks in a pond, until someone stole my camera. In the world you are talking about, the robber could run away, and non of the other people in the park would try to stop him...

Are you first year law?
 
Will this thread just please die.... it is definately guilty of sucking. :D (i know)

<off topic>
Finals are done, but today beig my first weekday off, all I can say is 'damn, i am bored.'
 
If you get a fake check and the guy keeps changing his name, chances are the guy isn't running a legit business.

Chances are - if it was a criminal enterprise, that the guy may make a deal to nail someone higher up the food chain.

Even if the guy is found innocent, gets off on a technicality, or makes deal - there is always the civil case and getting everybody who was scammed to file a complaint with the IRS.
 
Re: Re: Re: EBAY APPLE FRUAD

Originally posted by Nipsy


Nope, you've been defrauded from the getgo. Whether or not a fraud conviction occurs is the result of the Justice system...if I take your million bucks, but am not convicted, you've still been defrauded. At that point, I am allegedly the perpetrator of the fraud.

If the justice systems pays you no mind, and you solve the problem for them, and the make they make the arrest and prosecution and conviction, then well bingo!

I'd certainly feel peaceful shooting photos of ducks in a pond, until someone stole my camera. In the world you are talking about, the robber could run away, and non of the other people in the park would try to stop him...

You hammered the nail on the head perfectly... here's the relevant section: "... and they make the arrest and prosecution and conviction..." Key words missing from the assumptions made by everyone... "conviction. And that doesn't mean in the court of public opinion... it means in a court of law.

All I see so far is an alleged arrest. I don't even have proof that a real arrest has occured, just the heresay words of some web postings.

Let me make another point... for all the overzealous hoopla that everyone is engaging in, there are very bad organized criminals out there. If in fact this guy is part of some weird computer theft ring... am I the only one aware that they could probably have other computer resources and abilities? And being criminals... what's to stop them from doing far worse than stealing... for example... puting a hole the size of a silver dollar between the eyes of some overzealous webnut taking pictures of their theft ring and barrying the body in the dessert or feeding it to the pigs.

Wow... let the law do their job.

:cool:
 
Originally posted by cr2sh
Will this thread just please die.... it is definately guilty of sucking. :D (i know)

<off topic>
Finals are done, but today beig my first weekday off, all I can say is 'damn, i am bored.'

Point taken... my apologies.

:cool:
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: EBAY APPLE FRUAD

Originally posted by BenderBot1138
You hammered the nail on the head perfectly... here's the relevant section: "... and they make the arrest and prosecution and conviction..." Key words missing from the assumptions made by everyone... "conviction. And that doesn't mean in the court of public opinion... it means in a court of law.

All I see so far is an alleged arrest. I don't even have proof that a real arrest has occured, just the heresay words of some web postings.

Let me make another point... for all the overzealous hoopla that everyone is engaging in, there are very bad organized criminals out there. If in fact this guy is part of some weird computer theft ring... am I the only one aware that they could probably have other computer resources and abilities? And being criminals... what's to stop them from doing far worse than stealing... for example... puting a hole the size of a silver dollar between the eyes of some overzealous webnut taking pictures of their theft ring and barrying the body in the dessert or feeding it to the pigs.

Wow... let the law do their job.

:cool:

After all your blabbering about innocent until proven guilty and allegedly that, and allegedly this, and how this whole story shouldn't be glorified, etc... you end it all by saying let the law do their job.

The whole point behind this story, and why people helped, was that the law wasn't doing its job. There are many, many times when I have turned clients away because it just wasn't financially worth doing, or worth the effort.

Here, the cops didn't listen. The FBI didn't listen. The SS didn't listen. Worse, they said they weren't going to do anything. So, an individual, within the confines of the law, investigated an individual and set up a trap. He then obtained the assistance of law enforcement, and they did their job.

Had he not done what he did, the law wouldn't have done its job.
 
Originally posted by Sun Baked
If you get a fake check and the guy keeps changing his name, chances are the guy isn't running a legit business.

Chances are - if it was a criminal enterprise, that the guy may make a deal to nail someone higher up the food chain.

Even if the guy is found innocent, gets off on a technicality, or makes deal - there is always the civil case and getting everybody who was scammed to file a complaint with the IRS.

Excellent point... are "Chances" admissible in courts of law? ;)

Maybe the guy can't settle on a name he likes, and maybe his bank is horribly innept... I just don't know, but I bet a judge'll be able to. Until then, I don't want to bad mouth anyone... and truth be known, I don't even want to bad mouth someone who actually does what this guy is accused of doing.

I've never even been pulled over for a speeding ticket, so I'm the last authority to say anything about this, but we treat people who have scrapes with the law way too poorly. Heck, 90 percent of the people we have in jails (primarily for drugs) wouldn't even be arrested in Europe or Canada I believe (I'm not entirely sure about Canada's drug laws).

How about this defence if the guy is actually doing something questionable... "your honor... the Switch ads made me do it... I watched Ellen Fliess and Will Ferrell and fell in love with macs... I just had to have one... but I'm too poor... What's that you say your honor... ads don't affect anyone... but your honor they do... what's that your honor... yes I do honestly believe that... could you repeat that please your honor... I couldn't make out what you were saying with that Camel hanging out of your mouth..."

:cool:
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: EBAY APPLE FRUAD

Originally posted by mcrain


The whole point behind this story, and why people helped, was that the law wasn't doing its job. There are many, many times when I have turned clients away because it just wasn't financially worth doing, or worth the effort.

Here, the cops didn't listen. The FBI didn't listen. The SS didn't listen. Worse, they said they weren't going to do anything. So, an individual, within the confines of the law, investigated an individual and set up a trap. He then obtained the assistance of law enforcement, and they did their job.

Had he not done what he did, the law wouldn't have done its job.

Wasn't financially worth doing?

You say "an individual, within the confines of the law" but you make a rather large assumption in that don't you think? What's your evidence that this was within the confines of the law sir, other than heresay?

As for me and my house... we believe in Law Enforment Officials and I emphatically debunk the premise that legal officials turn down any criminal complaint based on the monetary stakes involved, that's a very grim view of how the law works.

:cool:
 
Originally posted by BenderBot1138
Excellent point... are "Chances" admissible in courts of law? ;)

[lecture]The facts that lead to the "chance" conclusion are admissable to the extent they are relevant and not overly inflammatory. Once the facts are established, the attorney representing the state or private party can ask the jury or judge to draw conclusions based on those facts. The conclusions the attorney can ask the jury/judge to make are the "chances."

So, although you can't admit into evidence that there is a chance that the guy is running a criminal enterprise, you can enter evidence regarding his finances, name changes, other dealings, living beyond his means, etc... and then argue to the jury/judge that there is a strong chance that he's running a criminal enterprise despite the defendant's refusal to admit it.

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