ECG function already saved first user :)

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  1. Absrnd macrumors 6502a

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    Still miffed, that my Euro Apple watch don't have, and probably will never have the ECG function,
    but this shows it can save lives :)

    https://www.reddit.com/r/AppleWatch/comments/a40qm5/heading_to_a_cardiologist/

     
  2. hull22 macrumors member

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    I'm not sure I would say it "saved" him. It made a diagnosis of something that is unlikely to kill him, could potentially cause a stroke or heart failure depending on age and other risk factors.
     
  3. Absrnd thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    And the Doctor said:
    You should buy Apple stock. This probably saved you. ;)
     
  4. hull22 macrumors member

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    Yeah, the ER doctor trying to make the patient feel good. I am a doctor as well. The Apple Watch didn't "save" him.
     
  5. Newtons Apple macrumors Core

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    “Unlikely to kill him”, stroke and heart failure are pretty serious and either can kill you or at the least ruin your useful life.

    Congrats to the OP and Apple. Betting we will be hearing more stories like this.
     
  6. Cowboy1629 macrumors 6502

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    I would say it saved his life if the condition went unchecked. There are a lot of people that never visit a physician until it’s too late. Good for him and good for Apple for creating a user friendly device that “could” save a person’s life.
     
  7. Knight3 Suspended

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    If you’re a doctor and you’re saying a heart failure or stroke are unlikely to kill a person, I’d call your degree into question.
     
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    This awesome, not the incident itself, but the accuracy of this feature.
     
  9. maka344, Dec 8, 2018
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    I agree, it didn’t save him. It alerted him to an irregularity which left unchecked, could cause problems later on.
     
  10. DougFNJ macrumors 65816

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    I shouldn’t be, but still am amazed how people minimize this potentially life saving feature blowing it off as a gimmick.

    With doctors, I guess I get it. They’ve “seen” it all and know everything. I’ve almost been killed by a misdiagnosis from an arrogant doctor that somehow took fluid in the lungs in an x-ray and pain when breathing as heartburn. After the surgery that removed the infection from my lungs because the untreated pneumonia was far past a simple needle.....but I digress...

    People that normally wouldn’t go to a doctor for years, don’t exhibit any symptoms, and update their watch to discover something is wrong, and can now be treated for it, to me, that’s a big deal. I’m looking forward to hearing more stories.
     
  11. Relentless Power macrumors Penryn

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    You’re Rather dismissive the point at hand. The reality is, if it wasn’t for the EKG feature, where would this person be today or tomorrow? Would they have had any heart complications that went undetected and could have caused a situation much worse? If you want to be technical, the watch didn’t ‘save them’, but it alerted them to something that can be studied now versus that person being unaware of potential heart problems that may have been more problematic.
     
  12. hull22 macrumors member

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    Atrial fibrillation itself is unlikely to kill someone. Just like hypertension by itself doesn't kill someone. You don't go to the ER and say they saved my life because I was found to have hypertension. Don't question my credentials.
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    This person would still be totally fine today or tomorrow if it wasn't for the EKG feature.
     
  13. Knight3, Dec 8, 2018
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    I take it you’re not familiar with the saying “Prevention is better than cure”?
    A horror movie in and of itself isn’t life threatening either but you show that to a heart patient and he’s dead before the intermission. There are a lot of things that are unlikely to kill a person by themselves but given the right circumstances you’d regret not getting it checked/treated.


    Edit: Not so fun anymore. I’m done here!
     
  14. Krayzkat Suspended

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    saying it saved him is a bit overly dramatic
     
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    Yes, prevention is the key to preventing afib. Hypertension is the leading cause. It’s grossly under treated.

    While we’re making assumptions here, I take it you haven’t graduated medical school.
     
  16. TraceyS/FL macrumors 601

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    My Dad has Afib. My Dad has clinical low blood pressure. My Dad now has a pacemaker.

    My Grandma had Afib. My grandma had clinical low blood pressure. Sadly while she passed away at 94, she never did get the pacemaker.

    You come across as very arrogant - are you a surgeon?

    Some of the best doctors I have come across recently are the ones that aren’t afraid to show empathy with me, the mere uneducated person that oh, happens to live in my own body. They listen, they look at the tools I might have to help express my “something is wrong”... the others just say, “oh you have fibromyalgia, here, let’s up your gabapentin”. (I see that doctor again Friday, unsuccessful in trying to change away from her).

    So if hypertension is the leading cause, and this guy is now going to be treated for it - isn’t that great? Isn’t that great for his wife, kids, pets, family, friends, coworkers - he might get to retire and enjoy life longer.

    All because of a feature on a watch.

    (My Watch is helping log POTS Issues, giving me concrete data to show the doctor, a mere PCP, that look what happens when I bend over to tie my shoes, or stand in the kitchen trying to cook, or take a warm shower.)
     
  17. itsmemuffins macrumors 68040

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    Imagine if an Apple Watch 4 owner dies from AFib because their watch wasn’t purchased in the US? :eek::confused:
     
  18. smirking macrumors 68020

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    I don't think anyone is dismissing the feature as useless pop-medicine. They're just saying the ER doc was being a bit over dramatic. Indeed the watch may averted an eventual disaster, just probably not on that day. Then again, none of us were there. Even if some of the people replying are cardiologists, that person wasn't their patient so everyone is just speaking in a very general sense. I don't think anyone is trying to disrespect anyone else when they dismiss this person's A-Fib as not an event that almost required the crash carts to be broken out.

    Which version of the watch are you using and how are you using it to document your POTS? I'm asking because I know someone who has POTS and we're trying to figure out how to best document the case before consulting with specialists.
     
  19. Relentless Power, Dec 9, 2018
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    In a way, you tell others not to question your credentials when they ask legitimate questions/reply to your posts, yet you throw around condescending defensive replies. For the record, this is the Internet, anybody can say what they want and just because you’re ‘claiming’ to be a ‘doctor’, doesn’t mean that you know the outcome of every person who may have been averted to something that they were not aware of with a particular heart condition, that ultimately can have preventions in the future with capabilities like EKG. Clearly there are examples in this thread of others experiences, but for whatever reason, you want to dismiss them.
     
  20. radus macrumors 6502

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    If the ECG feature was great,i it would be available all over the world.

    It seams to be not, that's why it is not allowed outside the US .

    If I amwrong, it raises to the question if lives outside the US are not worth to be saved?
     
  21. smirking macrumors 68020

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    What's your angle here? Or are you genuine in not understanding why it's not available outside of the US?
     
  22. Newtons Apple macrumors Core

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    So typical of these forums when we can argue over something like this :(
     
  23. radus macrumors 6502

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    Do you think a hairdresser-shop must sell Hydrogen peroxide as medicine only because it is certified by the FDA in some cases?
     

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