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Working on computers is what I do for a living, so yes I can say, Thermal paste is Thermal paste. Using both Artic Silver 5 and Artic Silver Ceramic They cool just the same, not one i better than the other.

"working on computers is what i do for a living" if you worked on computers for a living then you should know that thermal paste is not all the same, secondly you would also know that magnets and hard drives do not mix and thirdly that running an MDD with no main fan is a sure fire way to kill something
 
"working on computers is what i do for a living" if you worked on computers for a living then you should know that thermal paste is not all the same, secondly you would also know that magnets and hard drives do not mix and thirdly that running an MDD with no main fan is a sure fire way to kill something
Again, that was a accident. I forgot the fans were not connected!
Secondly, All I ever buy is Artic Silver 5, but I did buy some AS Ceramic and its just as good for a cheaper price. any Ceramic or silver based paste will all work the same.
 
I got the paste at Radioshack the only stuff they have is Arctic Silver Ceramique... Not the greatest but hey, it's thermal paste

I use Ceramique 2 on everything as it is cheap, easy to apply, and thick enough to handle slightly larger tolerances. I run it in my PowerBook G4 15" 1.67 for both where the paste was and where the pad was and it never reaches more than 140 when working hard.
 
I use Ceramique 2 on everything as it is cheap, easy to apply, and thick enough to handle slightly larger tolerances. I run it in my PowerBook G4 15" 1.67 for both where the paste was and where the pad was and it never reaches more than 140 when working hard.
Why do you say "Ceramique"? The AS stuff i have says "Ceramic"
 
Working on computers is what I do for a living,
Why do you say "Ceramique"? The AS stuff i have says "Ceramic"
Probably because that's what it is called.
Céramique™ 2

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Not what mine says, I do need to buy more though, I'm out!

There is a difference between Ceramique and ceramic pastes. Ceramique/Ceramique 2 is a "model" of paste that is ceramic based by Arctic Silver. Ceramic is a type of paste you can buy that is made by a bunch of companies.
 
There is a difference between Ceramique and ceramic pastes. Ceramique/Ceramique 2 is a "model" of paste that is ceramic based by Arctic Silver. Ceramic is a type of paste you can buy that is made by a bunch of companies.
Altemose, would you recommend I replace my pads in my Powerbook 12" with Ceramique?
 
I find it very interesting to see the repeating trend of Apple's (I imagine Steve Jobs' more accurately) obsession with fanless computers over the years. The original Macintosh, the clamshell iBook, slot-load iMac G3, and the G4 Cube being the ones I can recall. When I got my clamshell, I thought it was hilarious that it was fanless, yet the 10GB hard drive in it made more noise than any computer fan I've ever heard in my life. It's got an SSD now, thankfully.

I also tend to believe that many of the issues with solder joints on graphics chipsets in laptops that Apple has dealt with over the years could have been prevented with more aggressive fan control; it certainly seems that Apple prefers (or assumes the average user prefers) quiet operation over better cooling. For example, by default my iBook G4's fan does not turn on unless the CPU hits 75C, the GPU hits 85C, or the northbridge hits 56C (see this site for details on iBook G4 fan and controlling it). By changing the thresholds to 45C, my fan still rarely spins up when I'm browsing the web on it, and when I play Quake III Arena on it, the sound of the game drowns out the fan anyways. And I should mention, with the fan threshold lowered, it never seems to go over 55C, even for the GPU, and even in Quake III. Makes me feel much less worried about the Radeon 9200m failing, and I suspect similar results (and increased reliability) would be observed with more aggressive fan control on many of Apple's later laptops, namely the various models of Macbook Pro with graphical issues (as a slightly related aside, my friend has had the logic board in his 2013 Retina MBP replaced 3 times now due to failing graphics).
 
I have Ceramique on hand, I was just wondering more about using paste instead of a pad. This is a different paste that might be interchangeable with a pad.
I would be wary of doing so. In most cases pads are employed where the gap between the chip and the heatsink is greater than might reasonably be bridged with paste alone. You might cover the gap with paste but its thermal conductivity will be compromised. It is a judgement call.
 
Altemose, would you recommend I replace my pads in my Powerbook 12" with Ceramique?

To my knowledge, the PowerBook G4 12" has a higher tolerance between the mating surfaces than the 15" so the paste likely would not suffice. I believe jrsx did that and quickly ordered new pads but I could be remembering that wrong...
 
To my knowledge, the PowerBook G4 12" has a higher tolerance between the mating surfaces than the 15" so the paste likely would not suffice. I believe jrsx did that and quickly ordered new pads but I could be remembering that wrong...
Ok thanks for the info.
 
I find it very interesting to see the repeating trend of Apple's (I imagine Steve Jobs' more accurately) obsession with fanless computers over the years. The original Macintosh, the clamshell iBook, slot-load iMac G3, and the G4 Cube being the ones I can recall. When I got my clamshell, I thought it was hilarious that it was fanless, yet the 10GB hard drive in it made more noise than any computer fan I've ever heard in my life. It's got an SSD now, thankfully.

I also tend to believe that many of the issues with solder joints on graphics chipsets in laptops that Apple has dealt with over the years could have been prevented with more aggressive fan control; it certainly seems that Apple prefers (or assumes the average user prefers) quiet operation over better cooling. For example, by default my iBook G4's fan does not turn on unless the CPU hits 75C, the GPU hits 85C, or the northbridge hits 56C (see this site for details on iBook G4 fan and controlling it). By changing the thresholds to 45C, my fan still rarely spins up when I'm browsing the web on it, and when I play Quake III Arena on it, the sound of the game drowns out the fan anyways. And I should mention, with the fan threshold lowered, it never seems to go over 55C, even for the GPU, and even in Quake III. Makes me feel much less worried about the Radeon 9200m failing, and I suspect similar results (and increased reliability) would be observed with more aggressive fan control on many of Apple's later laptops, namely the various models of Macbook Pro with graphical issues (as a slightly related aside, my friend has had the logic board in his 2013 Retina MBP replaced 3 times now due to failing graphics).

I agree on the Clamshell. I'm still running the original 10gb drive in mine, and it makes one heck of a racket. Even the Cubes(with newer and larger HDDs) still have a decent amount of HDD noise.

The quietest Apple I have is my 12" Powerbook with an SSD and the optical drive disconnected. Even with no disk in the ODD, Powerbooks still like to clunk them around when you power up or wake from sleep.

As for fans, I mentioned earlier that I use a third party fan control program with my early '08 MBPs to aggressively control the fans. I've been told that 70ºC is the "danger" point for the GPU, so I tie the fan speed to the GPU temperature. By the time the GPU his 60º, both fans are running at 6,000 rpms(their max). Doing this, I can reasonably keep GPU temperatures down to around 65º.

Fortunately, my mid-2012 15" isn't a model know to have GPU issues, but I should still tinker with the fan controls some.

BTW, I'm typing this from my Quad with the CPUs at a comfortable 50ºC, and it's not terribly loud. G5s are obnoxiously loud when everything gets going. Try running one with boot manager pulled up for very long or in single user mode. All 9 fans start blasting and they sound like a helicopter about to take off.
 
Not entirely true. I would run the MDD for hours with the door open. This was before I had any fans behind the heatsink. Nothing ever happened to it, The CPU heatsink hardly even got warm.

This is another one of those comments Matt that evokes overwhelming feelings of nausea. To distract myself, I'm going to take the radiator out of my car and see how far it drives, just for the hell of it.
 
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