Nearly useless smartwatch ? I guess you never owned an apple watch...
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Agree. The only thing I don't like is the automatic on again switch at 05:00AM.
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EFF Says iOS 11's Wi-Fi and Bluetooth Toggles in Control Center Are Misleading and Compromise Security
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You realize this entire conversation exists because Apple gave us an alternative option? That's literally why this thread was started. To discuss the new options.
I'd put myself in the advanced users group. I don't find it the least bit stupid. I do think it could be better and hope to see changes in future updates. But I prefer this to what we had before. For me WiFi is a wash and I love the toggle feature for Bluetooth.
Correct. They can't ban phones, since as support staff, we are required to carry them and respond to call outs.
It turns off a lot more than blue tooth. Whats your solution if you want to turn Bluetooth off and receive calls?
Not a great deal... Like many other manufacturers demonstrated.
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agree. There are many occasions when I find it useful and my Apple watch stay connected. You can still switch them offthe reason i like it is this:
at home, a few times a day i go out front to the stoop.. at work, at least once a day, i go for an extended bathroom break (for lack of better description while trying to maintain forum etiquette).. all of which are phone using moments.
both of these situations have me out of range for decent wi-fi while in range to still be connected..
pre iOS 11, i'd turn off wifi to switch to cellular then turn wifi back on later once i'm back inside (when i remembered to).
now, i hit the wi-fi switch when the signal is too weak.. and that's it.. i'm on cellular then it reconnects back to wi-fi automatically when i go back inside.
(and you're not getting the popups "location accuracy will improve if wi-fi is on" etc anymore)
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i'm not sure if this is a reason for Apple to make the change but if not, a good side effect reason for me..
I don't want to be a Fan Boy douche, but I was making an excuse for this behavior.
The excuse I had was:
"Well the reason it goes into a mostly off situation with either Wi-Fi or BT, is because for a while now, ever since Handoff started lurking around, the Wi-Fi & the BT are kind of a team now. Which means, if you turn off BT, the Wi-Fi kicks in and says 'I'll pick up the pieces for your, my little BT buddy, and vice versa. BT will pick up the pieces for Wi-Fi, especially for Apple Features." And I said, "Wi-Fi and BT are pretty much married and also connected to LTE, and they try to keep connections all live, and if you want them truly disconnected, then just Turn on Airplane mode, but then I said,"That's sucks because you can't turn off Cellular."
I then said, "Well yeah it's bummer because they should have an LTE (Cellular) off button then. AND THEY DO!
So yeah, it's Airplane mode, if you want FULL off. I mean, you can turn off discover Wi-Fi networks, that's a different option.
I was trying tho to turn on Airplane, and then turn back on LTE, but alas you can't...
If that was the case, then Airplane would FULL off, and then you could pick and choose.
Like Airplane+BT, to keep your watch linked {or} because IDK if you guys have noticed but you CAN'T FREAKIN USE AirPods on an Airplane!!! Terrible!
Don't get me wrong it sucks, but just Airplane if you wanna fully disconnect, or turn off Wi-Fi and turn off Ask to Join Networks? Because maybe you have Wi-Fi turned off for battery, and because you are in a Zero Open Wi-Fi area, but you would like to be notified or connected if "you find Wi-Fi network"? Am I missing something here?
Because if you have Notify or Connect to Wi-Fi Networks, you're telling your iPhone, hey the Wi-Fi is OFF, then the iPhone is like "Um hey I found a Wi-Fi network, did you wanna turn on Wi-Fi and a connect?
The excuse I had was:
"Well the reason it goes into a mostly off situation with either Wi-Fi or BT, is because for a while now, ever since Handoff started lurking around, the Wi-Fi & the BT are kind of a team now. Which means, if you turn off BT, the Wi-Fi kicks in and says 'I'll pick up the pieces for your, my little BT buddy, and vice versa. BT will pick up the pieces for Wi-Fi, especially for Apple Features." And I said, "Wi-Fi and BT are pretty much married and also connected to LTE, and they try to keep connections all live, and if you want them truly disconnected, then just Turn on Airplane mode, but then I said,"That's sucks because you can't turn off Cellular."
I then said, "Well yeah it's bummer because they should have an LTE (Cellular) off button then. AND THEY DO!
So yeah, it's Airplane mode, if you want FULL off. I mean, you can turn off discover Wi-Fi networks, that's a different option.
I was trying tho to turn on Airplane, and then turn back on LTE, but alas you can't...
If that was the case, then Airplane would FULL off, and then you could pick and choose.
Like Airplane+BT, to keep your watch linked {or} because IDK if you guys have noticed but you CAN'T FREAKIN USE AirPods on an Airplane!!! Terrible!
Don't get me wrong it sucks, but just Airplane if you wanna fully disconnect, or turn off Wi-Fi and turn off Ask to Join Networks? Because maybe you have Wi-Fi turned off for battery, and because you are in a Zero Open Wi-Fi area, but you would like to be notified or connected if "you find Wi-Fi network"? Am I missing something here?
Because if you have Notify or Connect to Wi-Fi Networks, you're telling your iPhone, hey the Wi-Fi is OFF, then the iPhone is like "Um hey I found a Wi-Fi network, did you wanna turn on Wi-Fi and a connect?
It does make sense in examples such as the Apple Watch Bluetooth link a user may want to maintain while turning off other Bluetooth links. The problem lies in the user interface - there simply needs to be a clear indication of the level of shutdown when the user toggles the switch. I'm sure Apple will correct this with an update.
I’m loving the new way it works. I often want to just disconnect from Wi-Fi because it’s flaky and my unlimited LTE is faster and more reliable... but I need Wi-Fi to stay on for many reasons (accurate location information for one).
I also would like Wi-Fi to still try to connect when I get home (which is what it does now even after “disconnecting” when I’m out and about).
Overall: the new method does a good job for 90% of people out there: it “just works”... with less hassle. If you want full control over these types of things go into Settings...
I also would like Wi-Fi to still try to connect when I get home (which is what it does now even after “disconnecting” when I’m out and about).
Overall: the new method does a good job for 90% of people out there: it “just works”... with less hassle. If you want full control over these types of things go into Settings...
If you (and others) want to stay connected to AirDrop, Apple Watch or what ever, but in the same time disconnected from a certain network or service, you should go to the Settings and erase\close that network or service. The rest of us want to use the On\Off toggles as they meant to be without the need to open 10 times a day the Settings.
This is a classic 3D Touch option they had to add, unless they plan to kill it soon…
For now i’ll stay with iOS10.3.3 and will wait till they’ll fix this problem.
Why would i want to keep a connection 24\7 on if im not using it that often or at all?
Because for a lot of people using bluetooth isn't a necessity for making calls? some people turn off their bluetooth when they're out for alleged battery savings? or they don't want their phone pinging out to other devices unecessarily?
there are a LOT of reasons why people would want to disable one antenna or another. This change just makes it a longer process to do so
Kinda used to it at this point. Every change Apple makes recently seems to be anti-user. Except the Safari privacy changes. Other than that, they've taken a new direction which frankly I really don't like.
Why is it so difficult for people to understand the difference between disable and disconnect. Makes you wonder if Apple was right to make CC toggles work like this.
I say people who consciously want to disable wifi they should go to Settings>Wifi.
And why would I wanna do that considering I can just pull CC up and press a button without even unlocking my phone?
I say people who consciously want to disable wifi they should go to Settings>Wifi.
No as a user interface designer I know exactly what I’m talking about, and the other person you quoted is obviously familiar with the exact same reality that I am. You don’t need to turn off these radios. Ever. If you are one of those rare people that works in the building where it is required by policy to turn off these radios, deal with it. Average users should not have access to such a thing so easily.
Essential functions of the device. There’s literally no reason to turn them off, ever.
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I like how you talk about iOS being idiot proof, And then suggest it should be this easy for average users to completely disable all relevant function of the device.
And i say the opposite.
It worked perfectly till now and i dont remember someone complaining about it, but now that they changed it you hear many complains. People that want to disconnect from a single service or network should go to Settings and do that, or at least they should create 3D Touch option to disconnect single service or network.
I can only speak for myself, but I think they just need to clarify this and perhaps give a toggle in settings that will change the way the control center toggles work. That way those of us that like the way it is now and those of us that don't can get exactly what we want. Now that I know how it works.. I personally have no issues with it. But I do think Apple needed to clarify this from the get go. Seems like an awful lot fo drama coming from some posters which just makes me shake my head. Then I go to the Pixel 2 threads on other forums and look at all the drama around the removal of the headphone jack. Just like when Apple did it! You'd think it was the end of the freaking world.
This is the most idiotic change in iOS 11. Hopefully they will revert it back in 11.1 or later.
What a load of poppycock! How on earth have people managed to cope iOS over the last 10 years!
This has potential security implications but I think we should be more concerned about the health implications given that we may someday find that wireless communications pose a health risk. This potential risk could be amplified if your phone or watch is on a nightstand (close to your head) with it's full complement of signals active throughout the night. Perhaps a feature should be added to Do Not Disturb that disables Wi-Fi, Cellular, and Bluetooth when the Do Not Disturb feature is enabled.