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For it to ever have a chance, Music and iTunes would need a drastic overhaul.
 
You mean Apple implemented a feature that was "just good enough" and did nothing more with it? Gee, with the track record of iWork, Photos, native Apple iPhone apps, , iTunes Match, etc., I would have never guessed...
 
Apple will never be good at social platforms/programs since they really aint much of a social company.
 
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I don't know if 'social' is just where it fails miserably. When you have Apple fanboys like Jim D./Gruber hating on Apple Music, you know it's bad.

All Apple needed to do is: scan your existing downloaded music library (NOT REPLACE anything), have a reference in the Cloud. And mix that with the streaming music. I don't get how the world's richest tech company (which spent $3 billion on 'Beats') failed on that.

ACK.

Apple's ongoing success in social, ...
 
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It's a good idea with a bad implementation. They need to get a real product person in there to help them figure it out. Taylor Swift isn't doing anything right now, and she's excellent at handling her fan base. They should bring her (or her media manager) in for a consultation.
 
I liked the idea initially but do people want yet another social platform to follow? Facebook, Twitter, Instagram... bands and fans aren't hurting for a way to contact each other.
 
Even if it was a "success", or at least didn't have such poor customer service, at best, socially connecting musicians with their fans would just be another avenue for advertising. As if somehow, the artists that self-promote on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter would decide that with Apple Music, they actually want to interact with their fans on some meaningful level.
I have multiple artists that I interact with from time to time as a fan.

It's not very hard when their fanbase is under 300,000. I've had multiple back and forths with The Birthday Massacre, Fear of Domination, and Tengger Cavalry.

As an app developer, I always respond to everything any of my 10K customers send me. It's not too much work - I figure I could keep it up until I hit 1M customers or so. At that point, I'd probably hire a dedicated person for responding.
 
I don't know if 'social' is just where it fails miserably. When you have Apple fanboys like Jim D./Gruber hating on Apple Music, you know it's bad.

All Apple needed to do is: scan your existing downloaded music library (NOT REPLACE anything), have a reference in the Cloud. And mix that with the streaming music. I don't get how the world's richest tech company (which spent $3 billion on 'Beats') failed on that.

As a Mac User since 1984, I think I can also tell when Apple services etc. suck, i.e. when I don't use them.

There is a long list of DOAs and what is not understandable is that they do not seem to KNOW how to fix them.

iDisk, mac.com, ping (LOL x infinity), apple music, iTunes I only use for streaming moving to my aTV as airdrop isn't as good and now bloatware. iCloud urrrgh, with pathetic storage default sizes, but a must if you want to find your phone, aTV UI is pathetic and the list goes on.
Searching the apps store is a joke, especially in iOS (Weed out the garbage please).

The richest company in the world can't seem to attract the talent to fix services, a big important leg for the future
when the market is totally saturated with smart phones.

Instead, they pay Dr. Dre and Jimmy for NOTHING!

I will admit that due to me age, I no longer care about music the way I did as a teenager, but what is going on with Apple Music is a joke. Too bad they can't see that:-(
 
You can turn off Apple Music Connect in Restrictions. Then you get a "Playlists" Button instead :)

Yup. I did this. Not having a dedicated playlist link made no sense. If I like connect I wouldn't know it.
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As a Mac User since 1984, I think I can also tell when Apple services etc. suck, i.e. when I don't use them.

There is a long list of DOAs and what is not understandable is that they do not seem to KNOW how to fix them.

iDisk, mac.com, ping (LOL x infinity), apple music, iTunes I only use for streaming moving to my aTV as airdrop isn't as good and now bloatware. iCloud urrrgh, with pathetic storage default sizes, but a must if you want to find your phone, aTV UI is pathetic and the list goes on.
Searching the apps store is a joke, especially in iOS (Weed out the garbage please).

The richest company in the world can't seem to attract the talent to fix services, a big important leg for the future
when the market is totally saturated with smart phones.

Instead, they pay Dr. Dre and Jimmy for NOTHING!

I will admit that due to me age, I no longer care about music the way I did as a teenager, but what is going on with Apple Music is a joke. Too bad they can't see that:-(


Out of curiosity. What do you enjoy about Apple products in their current state?
 
You can turn off Apple Music Connect in Restrictions. Then you get a "Playlists" Button instead :)

I cannot believe this did not start a flurry of "I can't remember my Restrictions password" posts.
Please let me be the first.
The google tells me that I am not alone in this and that my Restrictions password was probably set during an OS upgrade. Super. The only way to reset my unknown password is to rebuild my iPhone as a new device. Double-super.

All of this smells of Apple losing sight of the details in "it just works." They're so busy becoming a culture company and selling $500 watchbands and buying $1B rap stars that the technology that got them on top is sliding.
 
Yup. I did this. Not having a dedicated playlist link made no sense. If I like connect I wouldn't know it.
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Out of curiosity. What do you enjoy about Apple products in their current state?

If you are serious:

MBPs (2008 17" (sob, no longer made, but upgraded to the max), 15.4" MBP Retina
I don't do desktops.
El Capitan has been fine for what I do. I see people kvetching, but so far so good.
(Skipped Lion, was a dud.
Mail is at times a bit temperamental and MS Office needs service pack 6 before I switch to 2016.
Don't know who is at fault
Also, I don't like when Apple changes default settings without mentioning and one has to chase all over to find what changed.

aTV4
Clunky UI, but plays the movies I stream and the remote is finally okay

iPhone 6S Plus
best Apple product by far! Again, for me.

iPad 2
Still good enough, no need to upgrade.

I always buy the top configurations which usually are at the bottom after 3 years.

Since 84, I kind of am on their wavelength in terms of which products are good to use and what not.

They showed a lot of foresight taking out floppy drives and cd/dvd drives.

I don't like that they keep removing ports. I am cheap and want all my stuff to last , so FIREWIRE etc. are still alive for me.

Also, have a graveyard of old Macs and iPods etc..

Amazing to see what we get for $ 2,400 today, when the first Mac was 256K !!! at $ 2,400 and came with MacWrite, MacPaint and was black and white 9" screen, no modem, no HD.

Just that history and Apple advances make me more patient than the average MR complainer.

There is a lot to like, but that doesn't mean one has to blindly be non critical, just because it's Apple.

The reality distortion field never worked on me:)
 
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Spotify Facebook integration of what my friends are listening to right now is ALL i ever wanted from Ping and Connect.

Musicians have so many other options to connect with fans and i'm sure they have no need / desire / time to have another social media platform.

Why does apple feel they need to create a new space for musicians to connect with fans? Just show me links to their social media accounts like Youtube/Twitter/Facebook on their iTunes artist page and send me on my way. Save us all the time and frustration.
 
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disclaimer - i haven't tried apple music. but it is - as it stands - simply intrusive. just give me an iTunes without connectivity and cloud options. i'm a music purist with only 1 goal: listen to my own music in an clean organized way. not a splintered disorganized mess that tells me i have different music depending on whether i'm on wifi or cellular.

between this and photo stream/camera roll/my photos/and whatever Photos is trying to do, i consider much of apple's Cloud/Internet 'solutions' to organizing plain and simple media a pretty big bloated 'miss'

How is it intrusive? If you don't want to use it, if you just want local music, nobody's taken that away.
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LOL..I misunderstood your meaning for a second there.
What did he mean?
 
Eddy Cue really sucks at quality control when it comes to the Internet Services his team is literally paid to develop and manage. Examples:

Apple Music
The Apple Music App
The iTunes Store (though I guess this is Phil Schiller's job now)
iCloud.com (which has never been fully stable)
iCloud Mail (both on the device and especially on iCloud.com where you can't even search effectively for mail half of the time)

It makes the swagger that he walks onstage with at those keynotes particularly infuriating.
 
I will ditch my Spotify subscription and join Apple Music will they remove that **** away from my music.
 
My personal belief is that Apple really needs to stop trying to do everything. They should kill Apple Music (or at least make it $0.99 per year or something), spin off beats into a separate company again (what a waste), and DEFINITELY kill the Apple Car (a massive, gigantic disaster in the making).

Once they've killed these efforts, they should focus on inventing new technologies that might actually have a chance of being smash successes. Artificial Intelligence (for Siri), breakthroughs in battery and CPU architecture technology, maybe even invest in carbon nanotube research. They're the wealthiest tech company on the planet, there's absolutely no reason they cannot hire researchers to study things that are the real future of tech. But Beats headphones...? Com on now Mr. Cook, you're acting more and more like John Sculley every passing year with bad ideas and bloated product lineups.

With improved tech like carbon nanotubes, Apple's potential product breakthroughs would seem unlimited. I'm not just talking about investing in tech to improve current products, I'm talking about tech that could revolutionize the world.
 
To say nothing of the fact that sharing is broken too. Sharing a song does not take user directly to song but ti album for you to figure out which song to play. Also, sharing podcasts within app is ****** too -- too much guessing/hunting/pecking.
 
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You think iTunes connect is bad.....,,, wait till u try Apple music. at least for me.. and most others on forums have the same issue.


I'm always been with Steve Jobs on this one Apple cannot do such a service, and he is dead right....... Eight months is unacceptable period for anything, not just connect... How long can one wait for the "This stuff is hard to do in the cloud where its all connected together" till we get to "it all just works" ?

we will never see an ETA for that. because Apple has no idea themselves. Lucky, i started ripping Apple's DRM long ago, and while Apple may see it as a form of piracy, the fact music has to be decrypted before playback does not make it so..

Regardless. if Apple has a better system, i would not need to do this to make sure cover art stays "as put"

What are Apple actually trying to accomplish here ? My belief with it all, not just Apple music, is scrap the whole thing "icloud" and start building from scratch... u can better prepare yourself, than diving in a field of corn to try and nit pick your way round.

But that's what Apple is doing here.
 
Connect really is just Ping reborn; I don't know why I didn't see that from the start. It might even be worse than Ping, since it's now a janky webview instead of native code.

I don't hate Connect, it has some use, but the UX is awful. It's a slow, clumsy staggered grid of stuff that makes it almost impossible to find what you're looking for. I don't know if Beats Music designers or iTunes people designed Connect, but they need to get an A-team in there and start over from scratch. One thing I really liked about last.fm before they ruined it is that it tried to connect you with people who had similar music interests. I found some cool people there. I'd love Connect to have some of that, to you know, actually connect people instead of only being force-fed marketing blitzes by musicians. And it should be a separate app, with its own notifications.
 
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