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But Ford’s competitors didn’t all try to create Model T clones! Early cars were a lot like early smartphones, a lot of non-starters, a lot of trying every new design possible. From when cars began (which happened well before Ford) to well into the 20s or 30s, there was no guarantee, if you could drive one car, that you could drive another. Each manufacturer and each male had their own control methods, even if the basic idea of a steering wheel and multi speed manual transmission were already established.

And how are Lucid, Polestar, and Rivian making Tesla clones?

Solely because they all are electric cars?

As for body styling, take a look around the next time you drive - most sedans on the road today don't look drastically different from each other. They're all mostly designed to be as aerodynamic as possible, which kinda results in very similar appearances.
 
I don’t think the U.S. tax credits has anything to do with it.
Here’s a few other reasons:
1. Branding. Volvo is known for security and well, rather boring cars. Polestar isn’t an entirely new brand from Volvo, but has been used in the past for their more sporty and fun initiatives.
2. Sales model. Unlike Volvos, Polestars aren’t sold through dealerships. Instead, just like Tesla, they are sold directly to customers without any middle hands.

So the whole idea is to create a bit more freedom without any of the Volvo baggage. While still being able to use all the tech and experience of Volvo.

...Tesla has dealerships (at least, outside of Texas and New Mexico lulz)
 
Interesting theory. I was also wondering what exactly Polestar is, since Volvo seems to be actively pursuing EV technology on their own with the attractive XC-40 Recharge.
Polestar used to be Volvo’s performance tuning division, then they branched out to build the Polestar 1 still under Volvo. Now they’ve entirely split from Volvo, but remain under the Geeley parent company. The Polestar 2 is still full of Volvo-branded components, but that’s likely to change more in the future with the PS 3 and 4.
 
I'm guessing, grasping at straws.
Volvo already blew through their federal tax credits, tax refund credit for EV was limited to certain production #'s.
New company Polestar, resets that to zero. So customers can get tax credit and it makes their cars less expensive and more competitive.
Wild speculation on my part.

Volvo hasn't "blown through" the federal EV tax credits. I don't think they're anywhere close. Their eligible EVs still qualify for the full amount.

The only two automakers that have exceeded the EV sales threshold are General Motors and Tesla.
 
I don’t think the U.S. tax credits has anything to do with it.
Here’s a few other reasons:
1. Branding. Volvo is known for security and well, rather boring cars. Polestar isn’t an entirely new brand from Volvo, but has been used in the past for their more sporty and fun initiatives.
2. Sales model. Unlike Volvos, Polestars aren’t sold through dealerships. Instead, just like Tesla, they are sold directly to customers without any middle hands.

So the whole idea is to create a bit more freedom without any of the Volvo baggage. While still being able to use all the tech and experience of Volvo.

Polestar is a joint venture between Volve and Chinese manufacturer Geely. They have been around for a while now, as you said they initially offered higher-end, performance-oriented SKUs of Volvo's ICE models.

Volvo already sells an electric version of the XC40, with more models presumably in the works. I would love an electric version of the V60, but the station wagon seems like a (mostly) dead market segment in the US.
 
The Lucid Air is out now. I was surprised to run across one in a parking lot last week. Good looking car.
Saw Lucid Vehicle Parked in front of Steve Jobs's house. It looks pretty neat and futuristic.
 

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When Polestar was on the horizon, I thought it might be interesting to consider. I’m not a huge Tesla fan and wouldn’t mind seeing a viable competitor in the space.

When I found out it was not just running Android Auto, but the whole software stack was Google, I lost interest. I don’t need Google in my car.

totally agree. the polestar UX rough. and those side bumpers in the center console is just... wha?

If you want to see a car that I think would give tesla a run check out the BMW i4.

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Sales model. Unlike Volvos, Polestars aren’t sold through dealerships. Instead, just like Tesla, they are sold directly to customers without any middle hands.

That's not quite true. Polestar stores/dealerships (I think they actually call them "spaces" :rolleyes:) are owned by independent franchised dealers.
 
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I recently watched a report on EVs and manufacturers such as Tesla who want to control the whole experience much as Apple does with its products. Tesla does not make parts or services manuals available to the public so third party repair shops and vehicle owners are unable to repair or service Tesla vehicles. Apparently Tesla has a lot of former Apple employees working for them. Also interestingly, a former Tesla employee who now has his own Tesla repair shop and hires former Tesla service technicians said some along the lines of: Tesla isn't a car company. Tesla is a software company that makes cars.
Not sure where you watched that report, but it is completely false.

Anyone can go to service.tesla.com
 
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And how are Lucid, Polestar, and Rivian making Tesla clones?

Solely because they all are electric cars?

As for body styling, take a look around the next time you drive - most sedans on the road today don't look drastically different from each other. They're all mostly designed to be as aerodynamic as possible, which kinda results in very similar appearances.
As alluded to in my post, I don’t drive anymore, I live in a place where it’s less of a hassle to use (mostly underground) public transportation. And the point is largely moot anyway, since I’m still mostly work from home. So I actually don’t see a wide variety of vehicles on a regular basis, and I couldn’t tell you about differences in styling.

And you seem to have missed my bigger point about trying to copy the success of Tesla with luxury EVs. Living where I do (well, not exactly where I do, but maybe a little further out), I could really see the value of an EV city car. I’m not really as keen on the idea of a full sized sedan EV personally (luxury or not). And I’d prefer to see a) some proper economy EVs that b) retain their value over time and c) still make sense in a world of higher electric prices. Basically, I’d like to see an EV that makes sense on its own terms and not just with current technology/social priorities. (IE: Personal cars don’t contribute to greenhouse gases nearly as much as planes, boats, or trucks, but, if every car were to be on the grid, there would need to be substantial increases in energy generation. So electric cars really need to prove their worth over gasoline in the long run or fuel cell designs that are on the horizon. But electric is nice to have if it’s cheaper to fuel than gas, or if you can take advantage of HOV lanes or tax credits for driving electric.) So I’m not sure if EVs are really the solution in the long run.

I’d honestly prefer the idea of a plug in hybrid full sized sedan anyway (like the Chevy Volt was), if just because I know that, if I owned a car in my current arrangements, I’d probably want to drive it out of the city and would be worried about charging, yet I could still take advantage of electric incentive programs. I don’t think current DC Fast charging is the answer, either, because fast charging reduces range by 20% (relative to full charge) and still takes 3 times as long as gas fueling. Not really an issue on most trips, sure, but, growing up in the Midwest, 4 hour car trips tended to be a thing we did multiple times a year. And if you can only afford one or two cars, I’m not sure how practical a luxury EV sedan is if it doesn’t meet all your driving needs. If you’re only getting about an hour’s drive on each charge (because you’re fast charging, running the radio, and running the AC or heater) and it takes 15 minutes to charge up, you’ve added a full hour to a 4 hour car trip. The same trip in gas would maybe take 4 hours and 10 minutes or 4 hours and 15 minutes (depending on how many times you need to stop for fuel, but you probably only need to stop every 100 miles driven or every hour and a half or so). Even my old gas guzzler could do about a 200 mile trip while only needing refueling once.

I’d totally be open to an EV if I were doing city driving or strictly suburban driving, so I’m not opposed to the idea. But the electric luxury market seems to be saturated to me, and that’s what I’m pointing out. Besides, I’d like to see start ups trying to go beyond the EV or create an electric concept that meets more people’s needs, instead of trying the same general idea as Tesla because “there’s gold in them thar hills”.
 
I own a Polestar 2 in the UK. I chose it over a Tesla because the build quality is miles higher and the interior is much more traditional than the screen first based approach. Im happy nearer the leading edge than the bleeding edge.
I've had it about 4 months, have had zero problems, and the range always exceeds what they claim - very unusual.
As for charging - It can easily fast charge on high voltage chargers, and get from 15% to 90% in about 25 mins. that gives me over 200 miles, without thinking of driving economically, or turning anything like the AC off.
At home I use my 7.5KW charger and go from 20% to 90% on a 6 hour charge during cheap rates at night.
I dont work for Polestar, but I would recommend one if you are in the market.
That said - I'll give it a few days to let other owners install the Car Play update and see how it goes for them before I dive in.
 
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And those who say they wouldn’t touch a car with an Android OS, you need to look at how many car manufacturers have now signed up to it. Spoiler: there’s a lot of big names on that list
Small note, most have signed onto Android Automotive without Google Automotive Services (GAS), they provide their own services so you're not using Google in those cars, just the OS.

GM, Volvo, Polestar, and Renault signed onto GAS. But Stellantis, Lucid, and Rivian did not and just use the OS, you wouldn't know Google was involved in those brands.

 
Lucid doesn't really have anything on the market yet - they're still in PR stage at this point.

Polestar's been around for several years, at least in the bay area. Dunno how proliferated they are elsewhere in the states.

Rivian was kinda the first to have an actual electric truck on the road.

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But I have a question for you - when the first automotive makers arrived on the scene, do you think they were all hoping to be the next Ford? Is the fact that we have several dozen ICE makes in the market now indicative of un-original "I want to replicate their success!" thinking from last century? I mean - it's not like Cadillac or Chevrolet came up with the concept of motorized carriages all on their own years after other manufacturers were already in business.

Or like, literally any other free enterprise category that has multiple vendors.
I’ve seen several (dozen?) Rivians around the Denver, CO area. They look pretty great in person.
 
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This is far from the first AAOS vehicle to include CarPlay support (Renault). And Polestar had been promising CarPlay support since at least 2019, so the only surprise here is how long it took.
 
Because those are not actually popular brands of EV's.

Volume, popular models would be things like the Nissan Leaf, GM Bolt, or Ford Mach E.

Actually, Polestar almost sells as many units globally as the Ford Mach-E. Production rate is about 65,000 annually compared to 80,000 for the Mach-E.
 
I own a Polestar 2 in the UK. I chose it over a Tesla because the build quality is miles higher and the interior is much more traditional than the screen first based approach.
Also in the UK. I did like the Polestar, but found the cabin quite a bit darker and cramped so chose the Model 3 ultimately. Not blind to its deficiencies though.
 
Wait, Google has two separate car software systems called Android Auto AND Android Automotive? That’s hilariously bad naming. I especially like how their own website states “the nomenclature can be confusing.”
 
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