Electric Vehicle Maker Polestar Announces CarPlay Support

[lordofthereef]

Tesla dealerships are owned by Tesla, all other dealerships are not owned by the manufacture, and is somehow illegal for them to own them. i.e. Ford could not legally own a Ford dealership.

I am not well versed with the law, but Tesla "dealerships" don't qualify as actual dealerships, AFAIK. They are considered "stores" and you don't really have salespeople trying to get you into a vehicle. I believe (but again, not a lawyer so can't say I am absolutely certain) that this is effectively how they get around this, barring local/state laws that genuinely require a dealer to sell a vehicle to the buyer.

 

[kc9hzn]

Well it works in rural everywhere else. How fast are you actually driving? Even on German Autobahn EVs are doing 200km at max speed (stupid but thats the ppls mindset here).

I don’t really feel like rural Europe is a fair comparison. I was reading comments the other day about travel in Europe and elsewhere, and I couldn’t believe how close together Dutch cities are. In the US, it’s not so unusual to live in a place that’s more than 100 miles away from a similarly sized town, I’ve even lived in and visited a few. Remember, you can easily drive a few hours and not leave the same state in the US, let alone leave the country.

As for speed, freeway speed back home was 70MPH, but it was pretty common to go 5 or 10 above the limit. (That’s 112 to 128 km/h.) In some places out west, the highway speeds are 75MPH and even 80 in a few places. There’s even a highway in Texas where the speed limit is 85. It’s not 200 km/h, no, but you could easily be going more than 200 miles in a day. I used to make such a trip monthly. Through some rather small towns, too, so fast charging wouldn’t even be an option (because there weren’t fast charger stations available). It looks like there’s one available along the route these days (though it’s a detour) and one near the destination, so you could probably just barely make the trip today. If you’re European or your only experience of the US has been in big cities, you’re probably underestimating just how far away stuff can be in the US and how frequently people make trips to those things.

 

[york2600]

I guess this means Volvo Carplay support is coming back. They lost it when they switched their infotainment to Android. The system got a lot nicer, but without carplay I'm not replacing my XC60.

 

[BrentT]

Sony and Honda have teamed up to make an EV. I can easily see Apple teaming up with a legacy carmaker, or perhaps one of the Chinese companies like BYD that are making EVs. Apple can focus on the UX and perhaps design while the rest can be done by the automaker. This would be a great way for a Chinese company to break into the US market under the Apple name, while it gives Apple a new revenue stream and chance to really stretch the CarPlay concept. If they are working on autonomous driving this is also a great way to expand that technology.

 

[webkit]

I am not well versed with the law, but Tesla "dealerships" don't qualify as actual dealerships, AFAIK. They are considered "stores" and you don't really have salespeople trying to get you into a vehicle. I believe (but again, not a lawyer so can't say I am absolutely certain) that this is effectively how they get around this, barring local/state laws that genuinely require a dealer to sell a vehicle to the buyer.

Tesla dealerships (or stores) do "qualify" as actual dealerships and have been issued dealership licenses in various states where Tesla operates stores. These dealerships/stores sell new and used vehicles, have salespeople, inventories (usually, but inventories for most dealerships are tight right now), service departments, etc. They just happen to be owned by the manufacturer and the employees are employees of the manufacturer.

 

[R3k]

I have a leased Polestar 2, been looking forward to this a while.

That said, Google Assistant understands me better than Siri and Google Maps is better than Apple Maps imo.

But the kicker is that Android Automotive is deeply imbedded in the cars systems, say ,Google maps also appears on your dashboard as you drive. I doubt CarPlay will have such deep integration at this point~ it may function like an App riding ontop of Android Automotive, not sure. You also have to plug your phone in.

This is all based upon old leaked dev notes from Polestar.

That said, Android automotive in the Polestar is buggy as hell, with WIFI connectivity issues, Bluetooth issues, hell my mirrors don't tilt down when they're supposed too. Early adopter. Has to be re-set occasionally.

 

[mark-in-mk]

I have a leased Polestar 2, been looking forward to this a while.

That said, Google Assistant understands me better than Siri and Google Maps is better than Apple Maps imo.

But the kicker is that Android Automotive is deeply imbedded in the cars systems, say ,Google maps also appears on your dashboard as you drive. I doubt CarPlay will have such deep integration at this point~ it may function like an App riding ontop of Android Automotive, not sure. You also have to plug your phone in.

This is all based upon old leaked dev notes from Polestar.

That said, Android automotive in the Polestar is buggy as hell, with WIFI connectivity issues, Bluetooth issues, hell my mirrors don't tilt down when they're supposed too. Early adopter. Has to be re-set occasionally.

They'll tilt down when you reverse now - Whether you want them to or not. There's a known bug in 2.2 that makes it happen regardless of what your settings are !

 

[Reason077]

Tesla does not make parts or services manuals available to the public so third party repair shops and vehicle owners are unable to repair or service Tesla vehicles.

This has actually changed recently. Tesla now makes its service manuals available for free to anyone who registers.

(Previously, they charged an annual subscription fee for access, so it wasn't quite true that Tesla didn't make service manuals available at all. In any case, now it's free.)

See the link below:

Service and diagnostic information for independent businesses and individuals involved in the professional maintenance and repair of Tesla vehicles.

service.tesla.com

 

[svish]

Good to see CarPlay in more vehicles.

 

[noone]

I wouldn't buy a Tesla for many reasons, but the fact that they don't support CarPlay is one of the top ones. I've seen a couple of Polestars out and about on the road and they look nice. If I were in the market for an electric car, a Polestar would be on my list of ones to check out.

 

[mark-in-mk]

Polestar have pulled the update.
I've seen stories of drivers bricking their cars at work and getting it home on a tow truck.

 

[DanteHicks79]

When 70% of potential car buyers won't even consider a vehicle that doesn't have CarPlay, they won't ignore forever.

This was a determining factor when I got a new vehicle.

After experiencing it in a rental, I got a third-party head unit for my previous car to have it, and any new car I moved onto had to have it.

 

[DanteHicks79]

Tesla isn't a car company. Tesla is a software company that makes cars.

More like, Tesla is a battery company that is using cars to showcase their battery technology

 

[R3k]

They'll tilt down when you reverse now - Whether you want them to or not. There's a known bug in 2.2 that makes it happen regardless of what your settings are !

I read that too, the sage continues, ha. I think you can get around it by using the manual seat memory positions for now.

Previously, If back down a step hill at wok. If I roll down in neutral and then go to reverse the mirrors also stay up, but if I stay in park until Im ready to go straight into reverse it works fine.
That was the previous gen update(s) of course they have pushed the latest to OTC (ton me) yet

Hopefully thay'll fill all the issues with it asap.

 

[MrkJensen]

Sure, I’ve heard of Volvo, and I’ve heard of Tesla, and I’m admittedly not really in the market currently (I could see owning an electric car if I lived out in the suburbs, but, charging infrastructure issues aside, I’m not even in the market for a car right now), but I’ve never once heard of Lucid or Rivian (or Polestar for that matter). Why do I suddenly suspect that there’s a ton of VC money flowing into electric vehicles in the hopes of finding the next Tesla?

Honestly, most VCs seem incapable of independent thought. It’s all, “oh this idea led to a unicorn [or a great IPO], let’s try to replicate it.” It’s like the Apple lemmings commercial!

(As an aside, boy does Google label some weird stuff as “for kids”.)

Polestar is fantastic. They have the Polestar 1 and 2 already out, with the 3, which I believe is their SUV, coming soon. They were even in Apple's presentation on extended CarPlay when they showed all the companies that will support it. Polestar is owned by Volvo and some other investment firm. The cars themselves are quite nice and unlike many EV concepts, actually exist and can be bought.

Volvo or Gelee is just another Chinese car manufacturer. -no more no less.

 

[_Spinn_]

The size of those bezels makes me think they just slapped an HP Touchpad on the dash and called it a day.

I miss webOS

 

[_Spinn_]

CarPlay is a must when I buy my next vehicle.

 

[incoherent_1]

I used to dream of a Tesla until I drove one. Super buggy and the thing even died (literally) in a parking lot and needed to be towed to a Tesla dealer where the owner later told me it took 3 weeks to fix. Yikes!

Polestar makes some sharp looking cars. Any word on reliability from someone who has drive both Polestar & Tesla?

 

[kc9hzn]

Volvo or Gelee is just another Chinese car manufacturer. -no more no less.

Today, yes, though they didn’t used to be. Used to be another Fiat, but it means they at least have some name recognition among the American public, which was my point. Tesla’s the only EV exclusive company with significant brand awareness in the US. (Yes, there’s the Nissan Leaf and others made by companies that make both gasoline and EV cars, but when it comes to EV exclusive brands, in the minds of most people it’s just Tesla.)

 

[KennyYoung]

Android Automotive keeps me from buying: Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Citroen, Dodge, DS, Ferrari, Jeep, Lancia, Maserati, Opel, Peugeot, Ram, Vauxhall, Nissan, Renault, Mitsubishi, Volvo, Polestar, BYD, Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, GMC, Ford, Lincoln and Lucid

The all already produce cars with Android Automotive or they are about to introduce these.

I'm not going to pay for a car that spies on me

 

[KennyYoung]

Small note, most have signed onto Android Automotive without Google Automotive Services (GAS), they provide their own services so you're not using Google in those cars, just the OS.

GM, Volvo, Polestar, and Renault signed onto GAS. But Stellantis, Lucid, and Rivian did not and just use the OS, you wouldn't know Google was involved in those brands.

Android Automotive - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

However, with Android onboard. How long before they implement GAS?, will You be warned?, can You opt out?
Nothing Android comes into this house/Garage.

 

[Tagbert]

Android Automotive keeps me from buying: Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Citroen, Dodge, DS, Ferrari, Jeep, Lancia, Maserati, Opel, Peugeot, Ram, Vauxhall, Nissan, Renault, Mitsubishi, Volvo, Polestar, BYD, Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, GMC, Ford, Lincoln and Lucid

The all already produce cars with Android Automotive or they are about to introduce these.

I'm not going to pay for a car that spies on me

I understand your concern, but remember that this is Android Automotive (realtime OS for managing the display), not Android Auto - the CarPlay equivalent to display content. The Android Automotive implementation is going to be controlled by the car manufacturer and Google may have little involvement. Of course the car manufacturer is probably collecting usage data whether they are using Android Automotive or some other RTOS.

 

[jaytv111]

However, with Android onboard. How long before they implement GAS?, will You be warned?, can You opt out?
Nothing Android comes into this house/Garage.

1) The ones that opted out of GAS will probably continue to do so. There’s no requirement to use GAS, they just like having the OS and sticking their own services on it. Not one has switched from AAOS without GAS to with GAS. And if they’ve opted out to this point, chances are the reason they opted out will continue. I had heard Stellantis did not want to give user data up to Google, so they will likely continue to not want to give any data to Google.

2) Will you be warned? No one knows. I think they won’t switch, but if they do they would probably put out a press release like “Our next gen OS is going to be sent over the air to cars starting soon.”

3) Can you opt out? Of Google’s analytics and things? To an extent, yes, if you simply don’t sign up for cellular service for the car, then Google gets no info from you, certainly no “live” (and therefore useful) info.