You should see what people spend on pens....
And then you have what people spend on NFTs....... (which may actually prove to be very disruptive to status quo of certain ownership rights)
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And then you have what people spend on NFTs....... (which may actually prove to be very disruptive to status quo of certain ownership rights)
Checking in after a few years away from MacRumors forums. Have since shifted my interest away from Apple to the much more compelling Tesla. I own a Tesla Model 3 Performance, and sold my Apple stock several years ago to buy A LOT of $TSLA. And am very, very glad I did (don’t need to work for a living any more) Fascinating to read how out of touch some Apple fans are, at least in these forums. You sound like early 2000’s PC nerds hating on Apple as a doomed company destined to go bankrupt by 2005, and Jobs being some arrogant dumbass. Especially clueless are the opinions that Tesla is ‘a meme stick ’ and Musk is some kind of arrogant loser. These comments, although of no significance, won’t age well. Tesla is poised to surpass Apple and become the most valuable company on earth within a couple years (or sooner). They will own not just the automotive space, but automation/robotics, AI, robotaxi, and energy. And I’m not even factoring in Tesla’s profound connection to StarLink and SpaceX. Don’t get me wrong, I have massive investments in Apple tech as a professional feature filmmaker. I wrote, edited, color corrected and did all the vfx for my latest film on Macs. And MacOS is beyond. But still, Tesla is now the more innovative, disruptive, and frankly, more badass company. Still love Apple. Still admire both companies. But the future belongs to Tesla. Rather amusing and ironic how so many Apple fans, who are supposed to be all about innovation, are laughably clueless about how Tesla is innovating circles around Apple.
Well from your words you seem to have all the ingredients to get the joke but swooosh ?…. Maybe this will help using your own thoughts.
I'm honestly sick of Tim cook. I couldn't care any less about a cleaning cloth, which honestly is a very stupid product and anyone that buys a cleaning cloth for $50 has lost their mind. If you are willing to buy a $50 cleaning cloth then that says a lot about the customers that he attracts.
Just one correction, there is zero connection between SpaceX and Tesla other than elons involvement in both and there never will be by law unless Tesla purchased SoaceX or Vice versa which would make no sense…. Except I think Elon wishes Tesla was private . the speculation of him separating starlink to do an ipo also does not make sense to me because he started it to finance SpaceX larger ambitions…. If he took it public then he could not use the profits anymore, shareholders would never allow it……. Sooo the only solution for a massive capital influx would be to take the whole thing public and then at the right time spin starlink off to pay for mars. It’s really a massive amount of money that will be needed, perhaps NASA will partially subsidize but they have not bought in to the same goal Elon has
$50!! Very expensive. Some would definitely buy this as a collectors item.
Tesla loses money selling cars. Their “profits” are from selling energy credits to other car makers who need them to meet federal regulations. Musk is no doubt the greatest snake oil salesman on the planet.
And Mars ain’t gonna happen. Musk side stepped scientific fact with his childish fantasy. His over grown 1950’s rocket toy is a joke.
And Mars ain’t gonna happen. Musk side stepped scientific fact with his childish fantasy. His over grown 1950’s rocket toy is a joke.
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To me, the discussion here has sounded more like mid 1990s Netscape fans saying Netscape is going to take over the software/internet world leaving companies like Apple and Microsoft in the dust. Go back 25 years, replace "Netscape" with "Tesla" and "Apple" or "Microsoft" with various large automakers and the conversation at that time was similar. Similar, although I don't think Tesla's ultimate fate will be as dire as Netscape's.
However, if Tesla doesn't get its act together when it comes to customer service, hit and miss quality, etc. they won't be nearly as successful as some enthusiasts are hoping for. There are many Tesla customers out there who are sold on BEVs but have soured on the Tesla company and are eagerly waiting for other automakers to bring out BEVs......and those BEVs are coming!
There are also many people who have no interest in a BEV and will continue to buy ICE, HEV/MHEV or possibly PHEV cars instead.
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they said same thing about falcon 9, it’s now America workhorse and admired by the world, I still love watching those pinpoint landings of the first stage, simply awesome. Starship will do the same eventually, we just have a few dozen more to blow up first to work the kinks out
Yes.
And truly, I can think of nothing that could bore me more than debating the virtues of some lunatic billionaire with internet strangers who care way more than they should. Cheers.
I kinda agree… I understand the hype by some and I do think Tesla will remain a major player but the idea they will be dominant just does not ring true to me. Ford dominated the market early too but competition sliced that pie up evenly over time…. History is your friend when you want to glimpse in to the future
Awe c’mon, it’s fun…. Elon is actually one of the more interesting ones, boring would never be a word I would use regardless of whether you find his contributions worthy
Agree on many points, however Tesla, SpaceX and StarLink, while separate companies, benefit deeply from each other. For example SpaceX invented a new alloy that will be used for both Cybertruck and Starship. The forthcoming Tesla Roadster will have an announced “SpaceX Package” (I’ll believe it when I see it), and Tesla Superchargers have begun using StarLink for their free wifi. You’re correct that they’re technically separate companies, but the fact that they’re (legally) sharing resources is profound. As will be evident in the coming years. For example, Tesla’s multi-million unit autonomous robo-taxi fleet will use StarLink for its low-latency full self driving connectivity.
Per the OP, the above is a small example of how Tesla is running circles around Apple. And we are at the beginning of Tesla’s exponential growth. Like I said, all these objectively ignorant forum comments trying to bash Tesla and its CEO as being a ‘doomed’ enterprise will not age well. I’m not talking long term. I’m talking the next year or two, if not sooner.
Finally, forum opinions, including mine, are of no consequence. So Internet randos can complain all they want about Elon Musk and Tesla being arrogant, overhyped, and doomed. Tesla is changing the trajectory of the human race for the better (with the help of the planet’s best engineers and designers), while people in this forum are, on the whole, clearly not. Lol.
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Yes I can see how the sharing of innovation between the companies can be of great benefit…i Bet they have to be careful though that the benefits to each are roughly equal in value…. It can get messy quickly between a public entity and a private one….. I think that’s at least a partial reason Elon flirted with the idea of taking Tesla back private, that ship has kinda sailed at this point though, Tesla is too expensive to even consider doing that now
Wrong. Tesla currently sells cars at industry leading margins. The company has been profitable without energy credits for several quarters. Tesla is opening two more factories (Berlin, Texas) over the next couple months to satisfy demand. Tesla Model Y will be the most successful car by profit on 2022, and the most successful car by units sold by 2023. Also, Tesla has a 10 year lead on battery tech and software over legacy carmakers. I’m personally bearish on Apple Car. Apple is so far behind Tesla it’s quite unfortunate actually. Not sure if they have a chance to compete. We’ll see. Anyway I should know. I’ve professionally researched Tesla, and as a long term (and very happy) $TSLA stockholder and Model 3 Performance owner, I can tell you that you’re categorically, objectively, comically wrong.
Actually, replace Apple with BlackBerry, and Tesla with Apple. If you get my gist.
Your circumstantial assumptions about Tesla don’t match with reality. See below:
Demand: Tesla cannot make cars fast enough to satisfy demand. That’s why, as I wrote in a previous post, Tesla is opening two more factories to deliver close to 1 million units this year and continue to grow at least 50% in unit sales over the next several years.
Build quality: a non-issue. Tesla has the highest consumer satisfaction in the industry (#1). During early ramp-ups, Tesla had fit and finish issues per other new car companies/subsidiaries (e.g. Audi had worse quality issues when it rebooted in the late 90’s). More importantly, legacy EV competitors have vastly worse quality issues. Bolt EV has been recalled entirely due to battery fires. 1/3 of Porsche Taycans suffer major battery failures with recall pending. Tesla’s minor quality issues have been exponentially resolved. Tesla’s battery failures are next to zero now. Again, a non-issue .
Competition from other BEVs: “Tesla killers” have been here for years. Jaguar iPace. Bolt. BMW i3. Bottom line, Tesla can’t make cars fast enough to satisfy demand. They’re already industry leading profitable. While all other EV’s take a loss. And Tesla has spent zero on advertising. Legacy car companies on the other hand, have a huge accounting problem because they have to gut their existing factories and/or build new EV factories at massive capital loss, while at the same time ramp down their ICE output, also at massive capital loss. And they have a 10 year battery and software disadvantage to Tesla. Good luck to them. The next decade won’t be pretty for legacy auto. I give VW a 50/50 chance of surviving. Most of the other legacy auto co’s will be bankrupt or merge like crazy.
Continue to buy ICE, HEV etc: talk about betting on the wrong horse. And there were blackberry fans well into the late 2010’s. Speaking of horses; I t’s a perfect analogy. Many people still prefer to riding horses over cars (I myself love horseback) but try taking a horse on a freeway to work. Same thing with EV v ICE.
Anyway I t’s fascinating seeing, of all people, Apple fans completely missing the boat on Tesla (hint: Tesla is the new Apple). As I said, Tesla is innovating circles around Apple. Regarding legacy auto - they don’t stand a chance. I’m serious. In a decade, major players in the automotive space will be: Tesla at #1, followed by several Chinese EVs (NIO, LI etc) and probably startups like Rivian and Lucid. Perhaps Apple will join in with an undoubtedly gorgeous nitch car (probably with geo-fenced autonomy) and maybe VW will survive as the sole legacy automaker. Meanwhile Tesla will also be serving up humanoid robots, robotaxis, and become a dominant energy and Internet utility.
Again, posts like yours will not age well.
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Tesla CAN make cars fast enough to satisfy demand. Even in this time of auto industry chip shortages, limited inventories, etc. Tesla has had new cars available for immediately delivery in existing inventory off and on for months especially for the Model 3 but the Model S as well. Despite what some may want to believe, not every car Tesla makes is tied to a customer order.
Build quality and especially customer service continues to be an issue for Tesla which are reasons why so many current owners have become fed up with the brand and are eagerly awaiting new/more BEVs from other automakers.
With so few being sold right now, competition in the BEV market has barely started. Tesla's future is not likely going to be nearly as bright as some extreme Tesla optimists think.
Wrong.
Every Tesla manufactured is a customer order. Tesla orders are backlogged onto 2023. There is zero new Tesla inventory. You can literally check at Tesla.com. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
Used Teslas are going for new car prices. I can sell my 2018 Model 3 Performance for the same price I bought it. Tesla is forced to increase new unit prices between $10k to $50k to control demand (so customer orders don’t go past 2 years) until its two new factories go online over the next few months.
Regarding Tesla owners “being fed up/looking forward to new/more BEVs”, what’s your data? Again Tesla is #1 in customer satisfaction. Tesla is demand constrained into 2023. Tesla sales are growing 50% per year (actually more). No other car company comes remotely close.
Tesla has a 10 year lead on battery tech and software. There have been “Tesla killers” for years. Nothing has broken through (yet).
As competitors catch up, Tesla is already rapidly innovating at a faster rate: new battery cells (50% cheeper/50% more power) are being integrated into new models starting next year. Revolutionary manufacturing processes (massive single casting machines, unified battery packs) means cheeper/faster unit production. A million cars on the road, right now, accumulating real-world autonomous data. The world’s most powerful supercomputer, Dojo, going online in about a year, will autonomously process billions of miles of driving data to accelerate the completion of Tesla’s full self driving suite.
Regarding future competition, of course there’ll be competition. I have no idea why you think that negatively affects Tesla. Again, you clearly don’t know how data works. Although Tesla owns 80% of the EV space, that will drop to as low as a conservative 20% market share by end of decade - when ALL NEW CARS ARE ELECTRIC. Which means Tesla will have 20% of the ENTIRE automotive market - making it the biggest automaker, by volume, in the world. But Tesla is NOT a car company. It’s a software and energy company. For example, the robotaxi space is predicted to be a $13 trillion/year business. And Tesla is positioned to own that market. Then there’s human automation (TeslaBot) amortizing the FSD advancements from its car division. Residential energy (Tesla Solar/Powerwall), and finally the advantage of a direct line to a satellite Internet company (StarLink) and rocket company (SpaceX). Starting to get the picture yet?
Your arguments are simple and infantile when put up against professionally researched market data.
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Wrong. Tesla has many new cars in inventory right now and have had varying levels for quite a while.
Want a new Model S? Here's one in Miami for you:
New & Used Electric Cars | Tesla
Find new and used Tesla cars. Every new Tesla has a variety of configuration options and all pre-owned Tesla vehicles have passed the highest inspection standards.
www.tesla.com
Maybe you'd prefer to get one at the store in Phoenix:
New & Used Electric Cars | Tesla
Find new and used Tesla cars. Every new Tesla has a variety of configuration options and all pre-owned Tesla vehicles have passed the highest inspection standards.
www.tesla.com
No? How about St. Louis:
New & Used Electric Cars | Tesla
Find new and used Tesla cars. Every new Tesla has a variety of configuration options and all pre-owned Tesla vehicles have passed the highest inspection standards.
www.tesla.com
Maybe Las Vegas would be better for you:
New & Used Electric Cars | Tesla
Find new and used Tesla cars. Every new Tesla has a variety of configuration options and all pre-owned Tesla vehicles have passed the highest inspection standards.
www.tesla.com
Pittsburgh? Nashville? Atlanta? Shall I go on?
Perhaps you'd rather have a new Model 3 instead. There are even more of those.
New & Used Electric Cars | Tesla
Find new and used Tesla cars. Every new Tesla has a variety of configuration options and all pre-owned Tesla vehicles have passed the highest inspection standards.
www.tesla.com
You really need to stop spreading misinformation.
Detail why.
Right now you are in the company of:
- Apple being profitable will never happen
- An Apple phone will never happen
- Apple beating Blackberry will never happen
- Apple becoming the most valuable company in the world will never happen
- Tesla will never happen
- Tesla Model 3 volume production will never happen
- Tesla being profitable will never happen
- SpaceX vertically landing a used rocket will never happen
Now for some fun future posts you’ll probably make that time will prove comically wrong:
- Tesla being the most valuable company in the world will never happen
- Tesla releasing a fully autonomous car will never happen
- Tesla selling the world’s first autonomous robot will never happen
- SpaceX offering civilian interplanetary travel will never happen
- Life on Mars will never happen
Your posts. Both past and future. Will not age well.
*Facepalm*Wrong. Tesla has many new cars in inventory right now and have had varying levels for quite a while.
Want a new Model S? Here's one in Miami for you:
New & Used Electric Cars | Tesla
Find new and used Tesla cars. Every new Tesla has a variety of configuration options and all pre-owned Tesla vehicles have passed the highest inspection standards.
Maybe you'd prefer to get one at the store in Phoenix:
New & Used Electric Cars | Tesla
Find new and used Tesla cars. Every new Tesla has a variety of configuration options and all pre-owned Tesla vehicles have passed the highest inspection standards.
No? How about St. Louis:
New & Used Electric Cars | Tesla
Find new and used Tesla cars. Every new Tesla has a variety of configuration options and all pre-owned Tesla vehicles have passed the highest inspection standards.
Maybe Las Vegas would be better for you:
New & Used Electric Cars | Tesla
Find new and used Tesla cars. Every new Tesla has a variety of configuration options and all pre-owned Tesla vehicles have passed the highest inspection standards.
Pittsburgh? Nashville? Atlanta? Shall I go on?
Perhaps you'd rather have a new Model 3 instead. There are even more of those.
New & Used Electric Cars | Tesla
Find new and used Tesla cars. Every new Tesla has a variety of configuration options and all pre-owned Tesla vehicles have passed the highest inspection standards.
You really need to stop spreading misinformation.
Amazing how much work you put into digging yourself into a deeper hole, lol.
Allow me to illuminate how product ordering/inventory works in America: every Tesla is a customer order. Tesla does not make inventory cars. They’re custom order backlogged for months and even years.
But, duh, there are cancelled orders. These are orders where a deposit was made, so Tesla makes the car, but the buyer cancels after the fact. This should be common, but actually pretty rare for Tesla, as is evendenced by your “research” lol. Anyway that’s when they’ll show up on the app. And that’s how I found my Model S Plaid (from San Diego. I live in LA).
Every city you managed to track down (not a major metro area like LA or NY) has 1, again, 1 Model S Plaid, for a grand total of 3 in the country. There should be upwards of 5 cancelled Model S Plaids briefly available at any given time (they usually sell in a matter of hours). Maybe 10 or so model 3’s. AGAIN, throughout all of USA. And they’re typically not in major cities like LA and New York. So people like me have to drive for hours if we want a Tesla same day.
Your attempt to ‘prove me wrong’ (lol) actually proves that Tesla has, again, no inventory. Just a handful of canceled orders throughout the entire country. This is a GOOD THING. And awesome for those who have the travel means and don’t want to wait months or even years for a custom order.
Dude. Again. You have no idea what you’re talking about. And have just proved you don’t even know how a custom order pipeline works in the consumer-protected United States.
At this point I’m not having a conversation, but just educating ignorant randos. Now I know why I’ve avoided forums for all these years.
Anyway gotta get back to finishing my feature film. Something I do just for fun, thanks to being financially independent from being an early Apple investor, and then an early Tesla investor (hint: Tesla stock still has miles to go over the next few years. Don’t say I don’t tell you)
Mbyeee
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My initial reaction was "that's a funny joke". Then I thought about it and remembered his companies are heavily subsidized by the government, so I don't like the idea of him spending money on stuff like this.
It seems to me that you are either ignorant about various aspects of Tesla or are intentionally trying to spread misinformation. The reality is that Tesla does build cars for new inventory (some but not all get posted online) and they are not all tied to customer orders. Tesla does not have an overall backlog until 2023 as custom orders placed today can be available much quicker than that (varies by model and/or country). Even in the current chip and inventory shortage environment, there have been many customers that have put in custom orders for new Teslas and were able to take delivery much faster than they expected (within days or weeks instead of months) because of Tesla's existing inventory of new vehicles.
I can now perhaps see why you are excessively optimistic about Tesla. At least some of your optimism may simply not be based in facts or reality.
Since this is meant to primarily be a forum about Apple products, I see no reason to continue this level of discussion about Tesla.