Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Yes.

And truly, I can think of nothing that could bore me more than debating the virtues of some lunatic billionaire with internet strangers who care way more than they should. Cheers.
Lucky for you it wasn't an invitation.

Thank you for answering the question. But your original point is wrong.
 
Let Elon be, he haven’t inherited his money, he haven’t won them. He have invented a lot of stuff that obviously have been fortunate for him that people like. If he was some dumbass I would understand people’s hate and whatever twisted jealousy there is.
But he are more brilliant and intelligent than most, even if he is an excentric immature boy still. Hopefully for himself, he one day fall in love with a woman instead of just having them as erotic entertainment and producing heirs with. Some men grow up later, regardless of other things.

I actually think his space adventures, thoughts around it and evolution are quite interesting. A lot more then various countries and governments, that are stuck in political concerns about it.
From what I heard, he seems very serious about it. To secure the light of consciousness in space.

Buying a whistle, nah. Neither Apple's polishing cloth for that matter, for these prices.
Each to their own what they want to use their money to.
 
Last edited:
I have to say, there’s been a lot of tension this last year between Apple and Tesla, especially when it was rumored that Tim Cook would not meet with Elon musk, and now you have these little jabs occurring. I know Apple likes to take the ‘higher road’, but Tesla really pulls a high-level troll game here, and all backed by Musk.
 
This is a fair point, but when Tesla surpasses Apple in market cap, there will be non-stop news about how Apple is a boomer company. There is going to be so much butthurt in Apple communities and Cupertino.
Would you buy a phone, or a notebook from tesla? On the other hand how likely would be apple customer buy an Apple car? Tesla still has a long way to go as an established brand.”temporarily” Technology leadership isn’t all. BTW these days I seem to see way more Mercedes and Audi and even Jaguar electric around me than Tesla…
 
That's not USB ports.

If your Lord Elon is such a genius how come he didn't bulk order enough USB ports months in advance like just about every tech company in the world?

Shipping cars without ports is just low quality.

Just like his character. No class.

All car makers have faced serious parts shortages and have been shipping vehicle without components. Even luxury brands like Porsche: https://rennlist.com/forums/992-tur...-are-now-arriving-missing-critical-parts.html

Those USB ports are being refitted free of charge after delivery by the way and was only a temporary measure.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
You are mind numbingly stupid. All car makers have faced serious parts shortages and have been shipping vehicle without components. Even luxury brands like Porsche: https://rennlist.com/forums/992-tur...-are-now-arriving-missing-critical-parts.html

Those USB ports are being refitted free of charge after delivery by the way and was only a temporary measure.

Actually they are right. No other cars have shipped with missing USB connections because those companies are supposed to pre-order such parts months in advance to reserve the parts. Tesla ships much less cars than competitors and computer makers but somehow they forgot to reserve USB ports. Doh.
 
My initial reaction was "that's a funny joke". Then I thought about it and remembered his companies are heavily subsidized by the government, so I don't like the idea of him spending money on stuff like this.
It seems to me that you are either ignorant about various aspects of Tesla or are intentionally trying to spread misinformation. The reality is that Tesla does build cars for new inventory (some but not all get posted online) and they are not all tied to customer orders. Tesla does not have an overall backlog until 2023 as custom orders placed today can be available much quicker than that (varies by model and/or country). Even in the current chip and inventory shortage environment, there have been many customers that have put in custom orders for new Teslas and were able to take delivery much faster than they expected (within days or weeks instead of months) because of Tesla's existing inventory of new vehicles.

I can now perhaps see why you are excessively optimistic about Tesla. At least some of your optimism may simply not be based in facts or reality.

Since this is meant to primarily be a forum about Apple products, I see no reason to continue this level of discussion about Tesla.
Wrong.

Again. Every Tesla is a customer order. There are no inventory units manufactured (other than test drive vehicles/demos of course).

Tesla order wait times go into 2023. Obviously at any given time there are a handful of cancellations in the entire country (historically they’re Model S & 3 buyers switching to X & Y respectively).

Currently there are handful of Model S and Model 3 cancellations (all in smaller cities) in the entire USA, that consumers can purchase immediately if they’re willing to, in most cases, drive for thousands of miles or pay thousands $ in shipping fees. These are NOT inventory units. They are cancellations. Typically because a Tesla buyer is switching from a Tesla sedan to Tesla SUV. That’s why there are zero Model Y or Model X in “inventory”. This compared to tens of thousands Toyotas, Hondas, BMWs, Mercedes’ etc actually sitting in dealer lots.

Here’s a fun activity for you: Try to find a single new Model X or Model Y in “inventory”. Just one. Anywhere.

You can’t. Because every single model is already sold before it’s made. Every. Single. One.

Again, Model Y will become the most successful car in the world by profit on 2022, and by volume in 2023.

And for the last time. Every car Tesla produces is a customer order.

Ok NOW I’m done. Lol. Mbyzees.
 
Would you buy a phone, or a notebook from tesla? On the other hand how likely would be apple customer buy an Apple car? Tesla still has a long way to go as an established brand.”temporarily” Technology leadership isn’t all. BTW these days I seem to see way more Mercedes and Audi and even Jaguar electric around me than Tesla…
Yeah, I would actually buy a phone or notebook from Tesla. I know they won't install malware on my devices and cripple it after a year.

Tesla will become the largest automaker in the world. There's no doubt about it now. Their primary challenge is meeting their insane demand.
 
Detail why.

Right now you are in the company of:

- Apple being profitable will never happen
- An Apple phone will never happen
- Apple beating Blackberry will never happen
- Apple becoming the most valuable company in the world will never happen
- Tesla will never happen
- Tesla Model 3 volume production will never happen
- Tesla being profitable will never happen
- SpaceX vertically landing a used rocket will never happen

Now for some fun future posts you’ll probably make that time will prove comically wrong:

- Tesla being the most valuable company in the world will never happen
- Tesla releasing a fully autonomous car will never happen
- Tesla selling the world’s first autonomous robot will never happen
- SpaceX offering civilian interplanetary travel will never happen
- Life on Mars will never happen

Your posts. Both past and future. Will not age well.
His plan for terraforming Mars is physically impossible. The science isn’t there. Nobody agrees with him, NASA says he’s deluded. But the base problem is the odds of getting to Mars alive is nearly zero. Check with the experts and get back to me. Musk is perhaps the greatest snake oil salesman to ever walk the earth. His biggest skill is stock price manipulation and generating press releases and stunts to praise himself.
 
Wrong.

Again. Every Tesla is a customer order. There are no inventory units manufactured (other than test drive vehicles/demos of course).

Tesla order wait times go into 2023. Obviously at any given time there are a handful of cancellations in the entire country (historically they’re Model S & 3 buyers switching to X & Y respectively).

Currently there are handful of Model S and Model 3 cancellations (all in smaller cities) in the entire USA, that consumers can purchase immediately if they’re willing to, in most cases, drive for thousands of miles or pay thousands $ in shipping fees. These are NOT inventory units. They are cancellations. Typically because a Tesla buyer is switching from a Tesla sedan to Tesla SUV. That’s why there are zero Model Y or Model X in “inventory”. This compared to tens of thousands Toyotas, Hondas, BMWs, Mercedes’ etc actually sitting in dealer lots.

Here’s a fun activity for you: Try to find a single new Model X or Model Y in “inventory”. Just one. Anywhere.

You can’t. Because every single model is already sold before it’s made. Every. Single. One.

Again, Model Y will become the most successful car in the world by profit on 2022, and by volume in 2023.

And for the last time. Every car Tesla produces is a customer order.

Ok NOW I’m done. Lol. Mbyzees.
You do realize you're talking to a bunch of people who get excited at the words "custom designed", like it even makes a difference in performance at all. Falling for misinformation is what they do best.
Manufacturing process is far more important than "design". Apple's "custom design" is about as hard as customizing your pizza from Papa John's; it's the manufacturing process that does the real magic.
 
Wrong.

Again. Every Tesla is a customer order. There are no inventory units manufactured (other than test drive vehicles/demos of course).

Tesla order wait times go into 2023. Obviously at any given time there are a handful of cancellations in the entire country (historically they’re Model S & 3 buyers switching to X & Y respectively).

Currently there are handful of Model S and Model 3 cancellations (all in smaller cities) in the entire USA, that consumers can purchase immediately if they’re willing to, in most cases, drive for thousands of miles or pay thousands $ in shipping fees. These are NOT inventory units. They are cancellations. Typically because a Tesla buyer is switching from a Tesla sedan to Tesla SUV. That’s why there are zero Model Y or Model X in “inventory”. This compared to tens of thousands Toyotas, Hondas, BMWs, Mercedes’ etc actually sitting in dealer lots.

Here’s a fun activity for you: Try to find a single new Model X or Model Y in “inventory”. Just one. Anywhere.

You can’t. Because every single model is already sold before it’s made. Every. Single. One.

Again, Model Y will become the most successful car in the world by profit on 2022, and by volume in 2023.

And for the last time. Every car Tesla produces is a customer order.

Ok NOW I’m done. Lol. Mbyzees.

Of course some are cancelled orders but many are builds for inventory. There have been many times this year when Tesla has had significantly more than a "handful” of new inventory cars available. The reason Model X is scarcer is because production of the refreshed model was delayed for much of the year. Tesla only produced a little over 11,000 Model X and Model S units (for worldwide sale) through Q3 this year. Model X and Model S sales/deliveries earlier in the year were all leftover builds from 2020 as the refresh Model S was also delayed.

You really need to educate yourself more about how Tesla operates. Either that or stop intentionally spreading misinformation.
 
Of course some are cancelled orders but many are builds for inventory. There have been many times this year when Tesla has had significantly more than a "handful” of new inventory cars available. The reason Model X is scarcer is because production of the refreshed model was delayed for much of the year. Tesla only produced a little over 11,000 Model X and Model S units (for worldwide sale) through Q3 this year. Model X and Model S sales/deliveries earlier in the year were all leftover builds from 2020 as the refresh Model S was also delayed.

You really need to educate yourself more about how Tesla operates. Either that or stop intentionally spreading misinformation.

Tesla sells every car they make. Every car is backlogged months, and some even 1+ year. It has always been like that throughout the year.
If I am wrong, please provide evidence to the contrary.
 
Tesla sells every car they make. Every car is backlogged months, and some even 1+ year. It has always been like that throughout the year.

Sure, Tesla sells them eventually.....just like other automakers do with their cars.

Tesla has had plenty of new cars available for quick deliveries this year. Many customers have also been able to place custom orders for new Teslas and get deliveries much faster than expected, within days or weeks. Stop spreading misinformation.
 
Sure, Tesla sells them eventually.....just like other automakers do with their cars.

Tesla has had plenty of new cars available for quick deliveries this year. Many customers have also been able to place custom orders for new Teslas and get deliveries much faster than expected, within days or weeks. Stop spreading misinformation.
I asked you for a source. Higher-trim models are prioritized, because those are higher margin, but the waiting times have always been several months. Nobody has ordered a new Tesla and gotten it within a few days or weeks this year.
Tesla has been consistently increasing the prices of their cars since the start of this year. Why would they do that if they weren't backlogged?
 
I asked you for a source. Higher-trim models are prioritized, because those are higher margin, but the waiting times have always been several months. Nobody has ordered a new Tesla and gotten it within a few days or weeks this year.
Tesla has been consistently increasing the prices of their cars since the start of this year. Why would they do that if they weren't backlogged?

Spend some time digging around Tesla forums like the one on Tesla Motors Club. If you haven't already, I think it will be very enlightening for you. Throughout the year, customers have been able to place orders and get matched up with existing new inventories quickly, much quicker than posted estimated delivery times. They've also been able to go down and buy new Teslas right off the store lot.

As far as retail or transaction prices increasing, that's been an industry-wide thing due to chip shortages and other factors. It's not just Tesla. Musk has stated this year that they've had to raise prices because costs have gone up due to major supply chain price pressure industry-wide. Raw materials especially. Some people also feel Tesla has been raising prices in anticipation of the new government EV tax credits that have been promised for a while.

The reality is prices are up significantly this year for many products in various industries.
 
Spend some time digging around Tesla forums like the one on Tesla Motors Club. If you haven't already, I think it will be very enlightening for you. Throughout the year, customers have been able to place orders and get matched up with existing new inventories quickly, much quicker than posted estimated delivery times. They've also been able to go down and buy new Teslas right off the store lot.

As far as retail or transaction prices increasing, that's been an industry-wide thing due to chip shortages and other factors. It's not just Tesla. Musk has stated this year that they've had to raise prices because costs have gone up due to major supply chain price pressure industry-wide. Raw materials especially. Some people also feel Tesla has been raising prices in anticipation of the new government EV tax credits that have been promised for a while.

The reality is prices are up significantly this year for many products in various industries.
So still no source, huh.

The Q1, Q2 and Q3 2021 production & delivery numbers are always extremely close to each other, indicating that Tesla has very minimal inventory.


Their days of supply has always been under 10 days for this year (Dropping to 6 in Q3 2021). If it weren't for people delaying their orders in anticipation of the EV tax credit, this number could be even lower.

Compare this with Toyota with 45 days of inventory:


I don't agree with the other guy that every Tesla manufactured is a customer order, but considering that demand outstrips supply for every model, Tesla doesn't have to wait to receive an order before building a car. Tesla knows every car they build will be sold immediately.
 
Musk Clown is Peter Thiel’s buddy. That’s why he cray cray and behaves like fash scum. I heard these rich lunatics convinced themselves the world is a simulation and therefore they don’t care about rules and laws. They think they found a cheat mode in a video game that makes them have Godmode.
 
Musk Clown is Peter Thiel’s buddy. That’s why he cray cray and behaves like fash scum. I heard these rich lunatics convinced themselves the world is a simulation and therefore they don’t care about rules and laws. They think they found a cheat mode in a video game that makes them have Godmode.
Ok, dude.
Just be prepared to lose your mind when Tesla surpasses Apple in market cap and Elon Musk becomes the first Trillionaire.
 
Elon will be in a lunatic asylum with his paper wealth. His colonialist looting family owe Africans billions.
lol... Why do you hate Elon so much? The guy might have his quirks, but he's willing to take the risks no one else will.
He started the electric vehicle revolution and will win the automotive industry for America and crush the Japanese.
 
lol... Why do you hate Elon so much? The guy might have his quirks, but he's willing to take the risks no one else will.
He started the electric vehicle revolution

Uh….he didn’t start Tesla. He pushed out the founders. The real founders were really cool guys who would have made better and more popular cars than Elon has done. He probably held Tesla back from achieving better potential. He turned the company into a meme company instead.

Can’t believe you don’t know Elon’s real history.

 
Uh….he didn’t start Tesla. He pushed out the founders. Can’t believe you don’t know Elon’s real history.

Nobody cares if Elon was the original founder of Tesla or not. The Tesla in its current form was entirely Elon's concoction, not the original founders. He was the one who bailed them out when they needed funding, and he was the one who took the reigns after Eberhard almost killed the company. He was the one who came up with the gameplan to scale Tesla and drop the cost of production.
The board kicked out Eberhard after they were presented with evidence of fraud and deception. There was gross incompetence all around during Eberhard's tenure that led to massive delays, supply chain issues, engineering problems, extreme underestimation of the true cost of the Roadster. Notice how all these problems are the same problems plaguing Tesla's competitors and how Tesla is the only company that can achieve positive cash flow with EVs only. That itself is proof of Elon's competence.

Tesla is the giant it is today due to Elon. No one cares who the real founders are.
 
Last edited:
So still no source, huh.

The Q1, Q2 and Q3 2021 production & delivery numbers are always extremely close to each other, indicating that Tesla has very minimal inventory.


Their days of supply has always been under 10 days for this year (Dropping to 6 in Q3 2021). If it weren't for people delaying their orders in anticipation of the EV tax credit, this number could be even lower.

Compare this with Toyota with 45 days of inventory:


I don't agree with the other guy that every Tesla manufactured is a customer order, but considering that demand outstrips supply for every model, Tesla doesn't have to wait to receive an order before building a car. Tesla knows every car they build will be sold immediately.

Source for what? I already stated that you can read about inventories, quick deliveries, customer experiences, etc. on various Tesla forums.

Tesla has had many new cars available in inventory this year. Customers have been able to get orders filled much quicker than estimated delivery times. In fact, some customers who ordered in anticipation of the new tax credits have received delivery dates much sooner than expected and have been trying to delay deliveries. A few months back, customers were also trying to delay faster than expected delivery dates in hopes of getting a “2022” model year car instead of a “2021”. Other customers looking for fast deliveries have been able to buy new Teslas right off the lot.

Model S and Model X production has been way down through Q3 this year (over 70% compared to same period last year) due to changeover delays and other factors.

Prices are up (and not just with Tesla) for various reasons.

Things with Tesla are not quite as you seem to think but feel free to believe what you want.
 
Nobody cares if Elon was the original founder of Tesla or not. The Tesla in its current form was entirely Elon's concoction, not the original founders. He was the one who bailed them out when they needed funding, and he was the one who took the reigns after Eberhard almost killed the company. He was the one who came up with the gameplan to scale Tesla and drop the cost of production.
The board kicked out Eberhard after they were presented with evidence of fraud and deception. There was gross incompetence all around during Eberhard's tenure that led to massive delays, supply chain issues, engineering problems, extreme underestimation of the true cost of the Roadster. Notice how all these problems are the same problems plaguing Tesla's competitors and how Tesla is the only company that can achieve positive cash flow with EVs only. That itself is proof of Elon's competence.

Tesla is the giant it is today due to Elon. No one cares who the real founders are.

Yeah sure. Believe Elon’s stories.

You say all this now after you got debunked that he started the electric vehicle revolution. Next you’ll tell us his Solar City company wasn’t a scam.
 
Source for what? I already stated that you can read about inventories, quick deliveries, customer experiences, etc. on various Tesla forums.

Tesla has had many new cars available in inventory this year. Customers have been able to get orders filled much quicker than estimated delivery times. In fact, some customers who ordered in anticipation of the new tax credits have received delivery dates much sooner than expected and have been trying to delay deliveries. A few months back, customers were also trying to delay faster than expected delivery dates in hopes of getting a “2022” model year car instead of a “2021”. Other customers looking for fast deliveries have been able to buy new Teslas right off the lot.

Model S and Model X production has been way down through Q3 this year (over 70% compared to same period last year) due to changeover delays and other factors.

Prices are up (and not just with Tesla) for various reasons.

Things with Tesla are not quite as you seem to think but feel free to believe what you want.
More with the anecdotes. You know how the Qanon BS started, right? Online anecdotes on 4chan.

The fact is that Tesla's days of inventory are significantly less than other automakers (Currently 6 days or less). Some customers may have gotten lucky and received orders sooner than expected due to other people delaying their orders in hopes of receiving the car in 2022 to qualify for the tax credit, but the demand for Tesla is still through the roof. Other automakers can only dream of being in Tesla's position.

I'm well aware that S and X models have been delayed and are currently being ramped up. I'm not sure how that proves your point. Sales will continue to increase now that issues have been sorted out.

Yeah sure. Believe Elon’s stories.

You say all this now after you got debunked that he started the electric vehicle revolution. Next you’ll tell us his Solar City company wasn’t a scam.

Had Elon not taken charge at Tesla, there would be no EV revolution. Other companies have tried but ultimately canned their products, because they weren't able to make a compelling product (See GM EV in the 90s).
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.