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Pretty incredible that Elon shaved off 80% of the staff and X isn't dead yet as haters predicted. Now Elon is paying out $$$ to creators which Twitter would have never done had Elon not bought it outright. Haters can't figure out why but it's probably making their blood boil and they're desperately trying to find something else about Elon to be mad at. 🤣

It’s not productive to make things up and use them to try and belittle others.
 

TL;DR Twitter spaces crashed for 25 minutes when Elon tried to host DeSantis announcing is presidential candidacy.

I said "X isn't dead yet".
spaces crashing != dead.

Twitter has always had reliability issues even when Elon took over so I don't know what your point is.

Probably. Twitter seems to be paying way above market rate, and there's no exclusivity contracts that I know of.

I never really mentioned exclusive deals. I don't know what your point is about that. When you make a platform that is getting people to upload the content directly without an exclusive deal, even some that are exclusively uploading to Twitter without a deal, that's a strong strategy.
 
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I would love to watch Musk make a go of creating a new smartphone. Microsoft tried many times and failed. Even though Android is its creation, Google has struggled with it. Musk would take a short way out and clone the OS running on Tesla cars, adapting it for the smartphone.

He could add the Google AppStore and allow sideloading or create his own AppStore like Amazon does. I don't think it will succeed, but I'd welcome watching it unfold.

Musk could buy Motorola Mobility from Lenovo and rebrand it as X. ;)
 
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Musk could buy Motorola Mobility from Lenovo and rebrand it as X. ;)
And he’s ruin Motorola in the process. It’s just my opinion but it appears to me that Musk just tells his hired people what he wants, regardless of how insanely wrong it is, and sometimes, reusable rockets, they achieve it. Often, they do not. Like asking Twitter developers to submit their code in writing and explain their value to the company.

Virtually 100% of what he has said in public about Mars and Starship is wrong. Any engineer would be laughing on the floor over what he has said. And I think this has damaged the Musk brand. Where many thought he was brilliant, after listening to him more and more, realized he’s a clueless idiot. At first, I couldn’t reconcile it and would support him just like others here are currently doing. But then Musk opened his mouth again and again, saying more instance things, again and again.

Starship can NEVER be used as transport ten times a day to be a speedier version of a Jet. That Shotwell said all that at TedX mirroring Musk‘s ridiculously stupid comments proves, to me at least, that she is a sycophant echoing whatever mr. insane says and does.

SpaceX, is good for customers of near Earth orbit communications and other satellite launches. It easily competes with the low prices we see when the United States purchased launch services from Russia. At times it can be 1/20th the cost of ULA. So that’s a fine job. Kudos to Musk for achieving this milestone, and I seriously mean it. I will give credit where credit is due. SpaceX and the Falcon 9 are both amazing, as is the Flacon-Heavy.

What is so concerning to me is the fact that both Elon and Shotwell both made the claim that Starship can be used for transport continent to continent 10 times per day. That alone discredits them both. If they truly believe that nonsense, then they are both deranged and clueless. It simply cannot happen. It’s so clueless in fact that I wonder why the audience didn’t break out laughing and walk out. That’s how dumb those statements are. It would be like claiming that a Tesla Model S will be coming with a booster that allows it to reach Low Earth Orbit. If you heard that, I’d assume you know that will be impossible. If they both said that with a straight face, and you acknowledged that they both believed it, how would then feel? I’d feel like they’re both clueless. Well, it’s the same thing for Starship. Continent to continent transport is impossible with starship. Just think of the logistics alone. This would never be some kind of event that could take place ten times per day, per rocket. What is clear to me by that statement is Elon’s failure to understand even the basics about rocket launches. He’s living in SciFi Fantasy Land and thinks if he just highers NASA level scientists that such a thing could happen. It can’t.

Similar issues with his statements about Mars and warming the planet. It’s so dumb it’s on the same level as when Trump said we should nuke a hurricane. If you didn’t laugh when you heard that, hey I don’t blame you. You’re not an engineer or a scholar. Perhaps you don’t understand that dynamic. Musk however claims to be an engineer. He is not. He claims to have studied physics. He has not. So then what does he do all day? Well if you go by the frequency of his tweets, he tweets all day.

It seems to me that he got somewhat lucky. Hi s wealth is derived purely from speculation. He got a lot of stock opens at just $6 a share from Tesla. Tesla doesn’t make gobs of money. At best if his weath were purely derived from profits at Tesla, he’d make maybe $600 million a year. So Maybe $6 billion of ten years. That’s a lot of money, yes, but it isn’t $150 - $200 billion. So where did that money come from. It comes from speculation. From people grossly over valuing the stock and buying so much of it, that it has allowed Musk to sell tens of billions of dollars worth of his options. That’s luck.

Elon continues to say things that are false. He said buying any other car would be like buying a horse. Wrong. He said FSD will turn your Tesla into a robo taxi earning you $30,000 a year in extra income. This is wrong, because FSD isn’t even past level 2 and it will need to be level 5 to do such a thing. He then goes on to say it is safer than a human, right now. This is false. It might be if it were level 5, but it isn’t. It’s level 2 at best and you MUST have your hands on the wheel at all times and he knows it. We know he knows it because it’s in the documentation that you must do this. So in fact he says one thing at TedX and yet another thing when you buy a Tesla. His car is not safe to leave driverless. Not now, more has it ever been. Will it be level 5 in the future? I don’t know. So far, he’s been wrong for 8 years in a row about when it will be ready. And since he is still at level 2, it’s clear he doesn’t have a clue how to get past that stage. He’s still training for example.

Because people so blindly accept what he says, I think it reinforces his belief that he is a genius. If you hear people say that to you often enough you begin to believe it yourself. And I think this is because engineers don’t seem to counter him. At least they had not in the past. More and more I am seeing people wake up and realize how clueless he is. You absolutely see it with Twitter. And they are starting to realize it with FSD. Soon more and more people will start to realize Mars is not going to happen, because it can’t. Not the way Musk thinks anyway and certainly not in Musk’s lifetime. Nor will it work Even if he could do what he says. Wrong planet, wrong size, too far away, you will not survive the trip and on and on. Virtually 100% of what he said is wrong.

So now I guess I just sit back and watch as people slowly come to their senses and realize he’s a clown. SpaceX is way over-valued at $150 billion. Fact is, it doesn’t even make money. It loses $2 billion a year. So here we are again. It’s just pure speculation. StarLink will never be profitable. Simple back of the napkin math easily shows this. I have little doubt they will spin that nothing burger off into it’s own IPO and then use the proceeds to further fund SpaceX and give the illusion that it has value.

If SpaceX shed Starship, and just focused on Falcon and Falcon-Heavy, and reusable rockets it would be profitable, but not valued into the tens or hundreds of billions. But it would work. Musk’s problem is he is reaching for something that can’t be reached for at this time. Mars is not a planet you fix. No magnetosphere and it’s too low gravity. Those two reasons alone are enough to give up that pipe-dream. He’s not going to terraform Mars. That’s science fiction.

My challenge to anyone reading this is simple. Listen to Musk’s date on when FSD will be ready. Write that on the way So you can see it every day. Then when that day comes and goes, just acknowledge that he was wrong. I am sure he’ll have a new date. Write that one on the wall too. And then watch it come and go. Pay attention to the FSD group. Who heads it, what progress is being made. I’ve already done this for over 5 years. And so far, Musk has blown every single date and every single time he makes a claim, he is so very wrong about it. Don’t look up if you don’t want to see.
 
It loses $2 billion a year. So here we are again. It’s just pure speculation.

And how much of that is the money of US citizens? I met the majority. Space X is a government welfare program for a billionaire and a bunch of fail-safes that are just trying to build something for them to get to Mars and leave the rest behind.

Listen to Musk’s date on when FSD will be ready.

Godot's driving system will ship first.

Don’t look up if you don’t want to see.

Show me a Musk fan, and I can give you a physiological breakdown of that person to the 90 percentile.

Musk is just an Only-Fans site for males that feel their "downtrodden" lives are lesser due to X, Y and Z but never thee.
 
How are those remotely related, other than both being statements involving percentages of money?

Wrong question. The question is this: what's the slight difference? It's the decision to close the iOS platform and iPhones in general to enforce Apple's monopoly within the iOS app market. That's the only difference. Everything else is the exact same.
 
And how much of that is the money of US citizens? I met the majority. Space X is a government welfare program for a billionaire and a bunch of fail-safes that are just trying to build something for them to get to Mars and leave the rest behind.



SpaceX paid off, but it is Boeing where the tax paying public lost billions.
 
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I’ll add more about Boeing.


The government kept the Boeing contracts for crappy spacecrafts because they didn’t want SpaceX to have a monopoly.


But SpaceX is the future for NASA, no ifs ands or buts…
 
I’ll add more about Boeing.


The government kept the Boeing contracts for crappy spacecrafts because they didn’t want SpaceX to have a monopoly.


But SpaceX is the future for NASA, no ifs ands or buts…

Hard to say whether Space X is the future of NASA or not. The relationship between the two has cooled significantly and other companies are increasingly competitive.
 
Hard to say whether Space X is the future of NASA or not. The relationship between the two has cooled significantly and other companies are increasingly competitive.
I don’t think so…

Who can dock with the International Space Station aside from the Russians, Chinese and SpaceX? It was SpaceX that removed America’s embarrassment of having to rely on Russian spacecraft for American personnel.
 
I’ll also add that it is Starlink that is the biggest asset for the Ukrainians in the war. Courtesy of the US and Elon Musk.


Always that bit of help people forget.
 
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Even more…


With version 2 Starlink sattites they can communicate with each other by laser instead of needing ground stations as much. You can’t bomb ground stations to ground Starlink and Putin’s quip that he will start shooting down the satellites means less strategically now as the other satellites just reroute communication and just replace the downed satellite with another as many get launched by SpaceX every few days.






Anyway, back to the app store stuff that is oh so important.
 
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I’ll also add that it is Starlink that is the biggest asset for the Ukrainians in the war. Courtesy of the US and Elon Musk.


Always that bit of help people forget.

It's funny how people like Brianna Wu says Starlink does not work

Then argues Ukraine shouldn't be using Starlink

But also complains about Elon refusing to give Starlink capability to Ukraine

Elon haters will say *anything* to hate on Elon, even if it's contradictory. 🤣
 
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And how much of that is the money of US citizens? I met the majority. Space X is a government welfare program for a billionaire and a bunch of fail-safes that are just trying to build something for them to get to Mars and leave the rest behind.

When the government issues a contract for something, sometimes it is monies going down the rabbit hole, and other times it is well spent. If you compare these three costs:

ULA launch services
Russian launch services
SpaceX launch services

ULA has a perfect record and is very good but expensive. The government subsidized them, and I'd argue they needed to be.

Russian launch services cost about the same as SpaceX, much less than prior launch services such as those from ULA.

It is a good thing that SpaceX was helped as the reward for doing so are launch services that cost the taxpayer 50 to 60 million versus hundreds of millions if ULA was used or tens of millions supporting the Putin government.

You could argue that NASA government handouts carry out all science missions. Government handouts can be money well spent.

I'd give credit to Musk for the following:

The Model S, X and E.
The excellent charging network.
Building the Giga factories, which was a leap of faith.
He's shown that fully electric cars can be good. Those cars have excellent acceleration, and many customers are thrilled with their vehicles.

Where he went off the rails, in my humble opinion, is Full Self Driving. It is essentially a clown show. Wrong for eight years in a row about its capabilities and timeline. Getting rid of LiDar was a massive mistake, in my opinion.

Credit and Kudos for Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy. For upright landing both on land and on a barge. Both are incredible. That, in my opinion, is where the value of SpaceX is. But that's not going to justify a multi-hundred billion dollar valuation. And that's where StarLink and StarShip both come in. Both are flops and will be for the foreseeable future.

StarLink cannot be profitable without some government subsidy.
StarShip is a massive ship looking for an enormous reason to exist, and there isn't one. Every reason given so far is laughable. I'd change my mind if he could devise a better reason. Transport to Mars is a fool's errand.

Twitter is a disaster.

The boring company, tunnels, and HyperLoop are all ridiculous.

If I were him, I'd focus on the core assets he created. Falcon 9, Falcon Heavy launch services, and I would try to better with car manufacturing. I also think that solar roofs could be a huge business if done well.

I wouldn't bother with robots that do choirs in the home, as that is yet another delusion.

I'd get out of the social media business and stop tweeting entirely.
 
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I don’t think so…

Who can dock with the International Space Station aside from the Russians, Chinese and SpaceX? It was SpaceX that removed America’s embarrassment of having to rely on Russian spacecraft for American personnel.

Lockheed Martin
Northrop Grummand
Boeing

 
I’ll also add that it is Starlink that is the biggest asset for the Ukrainians in the war. Courtesy of the US and Elon Musk.


Always that bit of help people forget.

That Starlink story is great… as long as you don’t think about it too much.




Starlink has not been shown to be a net good so far and as you can see, Mr. Musk was and is… less than enthusiastic about donating it to Ukraine.
 
Another check went out today. One user got $60k.
This is probably making Elon haters' blood boil.

It’s amusing watching you continue to argue this non-point.

The site formerly known as Twitter is shedding creators at a furious rate. The ones that remain are increasingly extremist right wingers, idiotic conspiracy nut jobs, white supremacist and other trolling racists.

But oh boy! Someone made 60k!! Maybe they can retire now.
 
When the government issues a contract for something, sometimes it is monies going down the rabbit hole, and other times it is well spent. If you compare these three costs:

ULA launch services
Russian launch services
SpaceX launch services

ULA has a perfect record and is very good but expensive. The government subsidized them, and I'd argue they needed to be.

Russian launch services cost about the same as SpaceX, much less than prior launch services such as those from ULA.

It is a good thing that SpaceX was helped as the reward for doing so are launch services that cost the taxpayer 50 to 60 million versus hundreds of millions if ULA was used or tens of millions supporting the Putin government.

You could argue that NASA government handouts carry out all science missions. Government handouts can be money well spent.

I'd give credit to Musk for the following:

The Model S, X and E.
The excellent charging network.
Building the Giga factories, which was a leap of faith.
He's shown that fully electric cars can be good. Those cars have excellent acceleration, and many customers are thrilled with their vehicles.

Where he went off the rails, in my humble opinion, is Full Self Driving. It is essentially a clown show. Wrong for eight years in a row about its capabilities and timeline. Getting rid of LiDar was a massive mistake, in my opinion.

Credit and Kudos for Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy. For upright landing both on land and on a barge. Both are incredible. That, in my opinion, is where the value of SpaceX is. But that's not going to justify a multi-hundred billion dollar valuation. And that's where StarLink and StarShip both come in. Both are flops and will be for the foreseeable future.

StarLink cannot be profitable without some government subsidy.
StarShip is a massive ship looking for an enormous reason to exist, and there isn't one. Every reason given so far is laughable. I'd change my mind if he could devise a better reason. Transport to Mars is a fool's errand.

Twitter is a disaster.

The boring company, tunnels, and HyperLoop are all ridiculous.

If I were him, I'd focus on the core assets he created. Falcon 9, Falcon Heavy launch services, and I would try to better with car manufacturing. I also think that solar roofs could be a huge business if done well.

I wouldn't bother with robots that do choirs in the home, as that is yet another delusion.

I'd get out of the social media business and stop tweeting entirely.

“Handout” is a charged term for “investment.”
 
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