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other manufacturers has nothing to do with it. tesla has always had long wait times. the fact that a shortage hit other manufacturers has nothing to do with it (also considering Tesla increased production more than other manufacturers and fared better during parts shortage).
you're in denial.
exactly.
by your logic. playstation 5 was never sold out. it was always available on ebay. that point helps no one other than being obsessive over little details. fact is the demand has always been there and that supports the idea that tesla cars aren't "garbage".
only other requirements are having HW3 + driving over 100 miles + be in USA. even if you meet EVERY SINGLE REQUIREMENT, you're not getting in automatically. you're still wrong in that sense. release is invite only, not public release.
"you will" is the key phrase there.
public release will happen. just not yet.
And? what does that have to do with whether or not FSD beta is currently a "publicly release"?
sure they do lmao
because they keep breaking LOL. and i say this as the owner of a tesla.
because it's garbage that's barely improved over the past 2 years (im in the beta).
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try again? https://www.ookla.com/s/media/2022/06/ookla_satellite_internet_comparison_north-america_0622.png
so...you're saying: "oh my first 3 Teslas failed, so I'm going to buy a 4th!"
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i'm in beta 10.12, miles better than 10.11 actually.
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this is meaningless.
when the garbage cars are broken from the factory, then most people have no choice.
the difference is that im living in reality. 2 years later and it still can't handle Chucks turn even when they have to hardcode it LMAO. they can't even get it to stop blowing over a kid standing on the road.
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Exactly?? I've provided far more proper context regarding Tesla's new inventory availability and potential delivery times than you with your silly "tesla cars remain sold out through 2022" statement.
Again, I don't think Tesla cars are as "sold out" as you seem to believe. Either that or you are the one in denial.
"You will" as in a customer who ordered FSD will get FSD as soon as they take delivery whether it's today, next week or next month.
There have been Tesla customers with FSD for years. Some of those have also been given access to FSD Beta for use on public streets. There have also been plenty of Tesla customers complaining that FSD still hasn't delivered what was being promised over 5 years ago, 4 years ago, 3 years ago, etc.
What you think about what I think with regards to being "sold out" is wrong. Again, never said it was completely sold out. That's your problem.
Nope. See, this is where you are clearly wrong. You won't get FSD as soon as you take delivery.
If you had a Tesla car TODAY and ordered FSD in the app, you won't get "FSD beta" today, tomorrow, this week, next week, or the week after. Because it's invite only for now. You might get it in October or November via software update when Tesla does public release, but as of now, you won't get it.
There are people who ordered FSD, have HW3 chip in their cars, are in the USA, and have a 99+ safety scores and still did not get FSD beta access:
FSD beta as of right now is not "public release".
It's obvious you're not going to admit wrong here, so this is a waste of time. Have a good one 👋
oh and your one little anecdotal post is meaningful?
choice: don't buy Tesla. buy a Ford EV. very simple.
chuck's turn? that's the only bar to reach before it's considered improved? LOL. Anyways, 10.69 showed massive improvements with chuck's turn and included the median maneuver. chuck even tweeted "v10.69 blew me away this morning". not perfect but it's more than "barely" improved. Immediately you're wrong there.
we're done. 👋
Not all models are sold out...they're not completely sold out...your "tesla cars remain sold out through 2022" statement keeps getting more and more meaningless. That's the real "problem."
Are you not comprehending that FSD and FSD Beta are two different things? I have clearly distinguished between the two in previous posts. Your "You won't get FSD as soon as you take delivery" sentence is flat out wrong. Tesla has been selling FSD for years and a customer who has ordered FSD will get FSD as soon as they take delivery. Just as I have been saying. At this point, there doesn't seem to be any reason to continue this discussion.
I've got the full self-driving feature on my 2019 Model 3 I drive around. But I bought the car off a used car lot when it had about 14,000 miles on it. So I got it with the features that the original buyer paid for on it. I didn't specifically decide "I want to pay $12,000 for FSD on my Tesla."
(People keep saying the FSD doesn't transfer between owners, but that's mostly FUD. Tesla will remove it from a car you trade in to THEM before they resell it. But they don't mess with it on vehicles that don't pass back through their hands.)
That means, if you spent the money for FSD? At least you stand a chance of recouping some/all of the initial cost when you resell the car. Especially if Tesla keeps increasing the price to add it on to a new vehicle, it offsets the discounted price a used buyer would likely expect to get it for from you.
Correct. FSD does transfer if it was legitimately (still) supposed to be with the car.
A problem that has occurred is when Tesla has sold used cars at auction with FSD still activated that weren't supposed to have it. Third-party dealers then buy these cars and re-sell them with FSD before Tesla has done an internal audit and realizes they weren't supposed to still have it. Tesla then deactivates it and leaves the new owners without the FSD.
People looking to buy a Tesla with FSD from a third-party dealer should do a history check on the car to see if it was purchased from Tesla (e.g., through an auction) because if it was, it may not have FSD for long. I think Tesla has gotten better about deactivating FSD from cars before sending them to auction or directly selling to third-party dealers but the risk is still there.
Why Elon Musk is no longer Wall Street’s darling - CNN Marketplace 10/3
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Two new plants Tesla opened in Texas and Germany were described by Musk as “gigantic money furnaces,” burning through billions in cash as they struggled to ramp up production. He even mentioned the risk of bankruptcy in one interview.
As if all of that hasn’t been enough of a headwind for Tesla shares, Musk came out and said in June he had a “super bad feeling” about the economy and announced plans to trim salaried staff.
Tesla delivered 343,000 cars in the third quarter, falling short of forecasts
“Musk has put fuel into a fire, and the Twitter fiasco has added to what has been a nightmarish six months for the stock,” Ives said.
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Tough times for Elon Musk now.
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Two new plants Tesla opened in Texas and Germany were described by Musk as “gigantic money furnaces,” burning through billions in cash as they struggled to ramp up production. He even mentioned the risk of bankruptcy in one interview.
As if all of that hasn’t been enough of a headwind for Tesla shares, Musk came out and said in June he had a “super bad feeling” about the economy and announced plans to trim salaried staff.
Tesla delivered 343,000 cars in the third quarter, falling short of forecasts
“Musk has put fuel into a fire, and the Twitter fiasco has added to what has been a nightmarish six months for the stock,” Ives said.
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Tough times for Elon Musk now.
if you actually looked into the business, Tesla is well positioned to dominate the EV market over the next several years.
Well, Starlink would be the fastest internet connection available in my 'progressive forward thinking community' that still has a legal monopoly supporting AT&T and Charter/Spectrum, yet I have no desire to feed the beast.
1) The hardware cost is insane.
2) He's already popped the subscription price.
3) I don't like what they have started, or helped increase, IE: Now how many private companies are going to be flying their own small satellites around the planet hoping to extort (subscribe) their own customers.
There was a saying in a sports group I was in: It's all good until someone loses an eye. If those satellites crash into anything their debris could start a cascade effect wiping out too many satellites.
And who knows what Elon might do if his attention and money disappear. No, I'll pass. At least Globalstar has been around for quite a while.
BTW: Most people aren't likely aware that some of the first satellites launch ARE STILL IN ORBIT! I'm not kidding. Stuff launched in the early 60's are still 'out there'. It would seem that someone would realize the amount of money they could get for figuring out a way to retrieve some of that stuff. It can't be that hard. Who ever does will make a mint either on scrap value, or just people willing to own a piece of space history. 🤷🏻♂️
1) The hardware cost is insane.
2) He's already popped the subscription price.
3) I don't like what they have started, or helped increase, IE: Now how many private companies are going to be flying their own small satellites around the planet hoping to extort (subscribe) their own customers.
There was a saying in a sports group I was in: It's all good until someone loses an eye. If those satellites crash into anything their debris could start a cascade effect wiping out too many satellites.
And who knows what Elon might do if his attention and money disappear. No, I'll pass. At least Globalstar has been around for quite a while.
BTW: Most people aren't likely aware that some of the first satellites launch ARE STILL IN ORBIT! I'm not kidding. Stuff launched in the early 60's are still 'out there'. It would seem that someone would realize the amount of money they could get for figuring out a way to retrieve some of that stuff. It can't be that hard. Who ever does will make a mint either on scrap value, or just people willing to own a piece of space history. 🤷🏻♂️
Look at their recall rate. Look at how hard Tesla tries to shield the public for knowing of their high recall rate. Yeah, no. I think his time in the sun is not going to last very long. A friend of a friend had their 'motor' dies, and they waited for over 5 hours for Tesla to show up. They are in California, and were stuck on a highway, for HOURS... Yeah, they are looking to sell it now. Can't understand why...
most of their recalls were software related. resolved by OTA update which most other car manufacturers still can't even do reliably.
one recall dealt with NHTSA not liking Teslas making fart noises at pedestrians. so Tesla pushed an update to remove it. non-issue: https://cleantechnica.com/2022/02/16/the-nhtsa-is-being-petty-with-tesla-again/
if that's your basis for Tesla failing, then that's a pretty weak argument.
one anecdotal second/third-hand experience of a motor failing is hardly evidence of the company failing too.
But look at all the people carping about Apple releasing a bunch or x.x.1, x.x.2, x.x.3 'updates'. Yeah, you *can* fix it with an update, but what happened to doing it right the first time, and a phone isn't going to be carrying you and/or your loved ones if and when a 'software update' is called for, after their crash. My point is their rate, updates or not, is distressing.
People like to crap on Tesla because they don't like Elon, simple as that.
You new to how software works? Name one piece of software ever that was perfect out of the gate and never needed and/or never got an update.
people are still buying iPhones, despite software issues so I don't know what your point is.
you said look at the recall rate as evidence of Tesla failing to dominate the EV. problem with just looking at the recall rate is that it doesn't show a clear picture of the business outlook.
Which more people are stating is unsustainable. But thanks for the comment. I read things that say there are plenty of concerning problems there, and people are starting to get more and more concerned. *shrug*