Elon Musk: 'We've Had Promising Conversations With Apple About Starlink Connectivity'

[4nNtt]

The thing with Musk is that he’s a conman who gets things done.

That’s such an unusual combination that it totally messes with people and makes them pick one or the other category.

And yet, he’s clearly both.

I don't think that's accurate. He is an edge lord that gets things done. That is still a rare combination. I don't care. I can ignore shenanigans and they are occasionally funny, but some people have thin skin.

 

[svish]

Would like to see satellite connectivity expand to more countries in the near future.

 

[boss.king]

Cybertruck is on the cusp on launching, FSD is proceeding well; your spiteful disinformation on a few products while ignoring all the other successful ones is disingenuous at best

Lol. All of that was just as true 2 years ago. Hit me up when the cyber truck is actually widely available and FSD isn’t a major threat to people’s safety on the road and maybe I’ll be able to take you seriously.

 

[wanha]

I don't think that's accurate. He is an edge lord that gets things done. That is still a rare combination. I don't care. I can ignore shenanigans and they are occasionally funny, but some people have thin skin.

Uhhhh... so which is it?

That you don't think it's accurate or that you don't care?

I'm sure his shenanigans are funny when it's not your money or company that's getting screwed over in the process.

And with all that said, it's also true that he does get amazing stuff done.

He's a walking contradiction.

 

[boss.king]

One, no it wasn’t. Two, public release is not dangerous, and probably results in an order of magnitude lower crash rate at this time. Stop lying, it’s getting old

My man/woman, watch the video of cars driving under the FSD beta. These cars straight up drive into oncoming traffic, veer into parked cars, swing out toward pedestrians, etc. it’s not good. I’ve watched one try to drive through a solid metal post with my own eyes. It’s the kind of mistake a child wouldn’t make, but apparently that counts as a success to Tesla.

 

[NPC Compliant]

My man/woman, watch the video of cars driving under the FSD beta. These cars straight up drive into oncoming traffic, veer into parked cars, swing out toward pedestrians, etc. it’s not good. I’ve watched one try to drive through a solid metal post with my own eyes. It’s the kind of mistake a child wouldn’t make, but apparently that counts as a success to Tesla.

One, they’re not that blatant. Two, why are you mentioning the opt-in beta; the subject is the publicly available release version. Conflating these two things does not reflect well on you

 

[boss.king]

One, they’re not that blatant. Two, why are you mentioning the opt-in beta; the subject is the publicly available release version. Conflating these two things does not reflect well on you

One, what’s not blatant? The mistakes these cars make? Yes they are.

Two, the beta precedes the release version. Until the proper version is out, I can only judge it on the beta.

 

[happydude]

Elon can't be trusted, he's just an attention seeking child with daddy issues. I'm just glad the Elon shine is fading.

 

[6787872]

Tesla, SpaceX, Gigafactories, Starlink... yeah, what a fraud. Starlink, by the way, has had documented and definite benefit in the war in Ukraine, giving the Ukrainians connectivity when sometimes the Russians themselves did not. I have owned Apple gear since my first PowerBook 100 and I love the company but... what has Apple done that compares to actually helping a country defend its people's LIVES against invasion?? Apple withdrew their business from Russia—and good for them—but it's not like that was a critical slice of their pie. (A bunch of other companies did it too, and Apple won't be able to do anything similar if China tries the same thing with Taiwan) Musk needled Apple a few times; get over it. So has Microsoft. It's business. Grow a hide. Amazing how just because people need to pick their one flag and defend it to the exclusion of all else, so Apple people feel compelled to piss on Elon Musk, who is, by any rational estimate, a genuine genius. I say this as someone who doesn't own any Tesla stock and doesn't drive a Tesla. He has completely up-ended both electric cars and spaceflight. His batteries have created virtual power stations that are extremely helpful. And Starlink has its detractors, but it's an extraordinary project bringing internet connectivity where it was never available before. You can say he's an ******* and you might have a point. I'd remind you, though, that people said the same thing about Steve Jobs, thinking that they somehow minimized his greatness in pointing out that he could be abrasive and combative. But what of it? Some people, that's simply the atmospheric effects caused by the friction of their movement through the world. You might not like the sparks or the fog or whatever, but don't sneer the object at the center of that vortex.

this is so cringe.

satellites have been around well before starlink. tesla vehicles are garbage, and i say that as someone who owns one. his grifting on FSD in particular is hilarious.

 

[geartau]

One, what’s not blatant? The mistakes these cars make? Yes they are.

Two, the beta precedes the release version. Until the proper version is out, I can only judge it on the beta.

NPC said “public release is not dangerous”. You’re judging the non public release version.

It’s not public release for a reason.

 

[geartau]

this is so cringe.

satellites have been around well before starlink. tesla vehicles are garbage, and i say that as someone who owns one. his grifting on FSD in particular is hilarious.

yet, starlink providing much faster speeds than others, tesla cars remain sold out through 2022 (and will only increase with the credits), and FSD beta remains closed for a reason.

 

[webkit]

tesla cars remain sold out through 2022 (and will only increase with the credits)

Tesla cars are NOT sold out through 2022. Tesla has new existing inventory cars available right now for immediate delivery. Plus, various custom order new Tesla models are available for delivery by as early as next month.

 

[boss.king]

NPC said “public release is not dangerous”. You’re judging the non public release version.

It’s not public release for a reason.

The publicly released version is the beta. We’re talking about the same thing. There’s no fully built out version of FSD available to the public.

 

[geartau]

Tesla cars are NOT sold out through 2022. Tesla has new existing inventory cars available right now for immediate delivery. Plus, various custom order new Tesla models are available for delivery by as early as next month.

did i say ALL MODELS? nope. model y showing dec 2022-apr 2023. model 3 long range is taken off the menu because there was too much backlog. dual motor model x showing march 2023 earliest. and this is with people cancelling their order to delay delivery for next year to take advantage of the credit.

using existing inventory as an argument is hilarious.

 

[geartau]

The publicly released version is the beta. We’re talking about the same thing. There’s no fully built out version of FSD available to the public.

no. that's not publicly available. that's invite only, closed beta. you press a button in the car saying you want to try FSD beta and it's up to Tesla if they'll allow you in. you cannot buy a new car today and install FSD beta whenever you want.

only enhanced autopilot is publicly available.

 

[webkit]

did i say ALL MODELS? nope. model y showing dec 2022-apr 2023. model 3 long range is taken off the menu because there was too much backlog. and this is with people cancelling their order to delay delivery for next year to take advantage of the credit.

You said "tesla cars remain sold out through 2022." You didn't say some Tesla cars. If you only meant some Tesla cars then that's not particularly meaningful as a number of manufactures can claim to have models sold out especially in the current environment.

using existing inventory as an argument is hilarious.

Why hilarious? Tesla has new existing inventory cars available for immediate delivery including cars available to match with fresh custom orders to help push up delivery dates. Depending on the model and configuration, it has not been unusual for customers to get matched with a new existing inventory car and be able to take delivery faster to much faster than the stated estimated delivery on the website.

I don't think Tesla cars are as "sold out" as you seem to believe.

 

[boss.king]

no. that's not publicly available. that's invite only, closed beta. you press a button in the car saying you want to try FSD beta and it's up to Tesla if they'll allow you in. you cannot buy a new car today and install FSD beta whenever you want.

only enhanced autopilot is publicly available.

So what you’re saying is that FSD isn’t released to the public? Because that’s exactly what I just said. There is not finished build of FSD, if you’re using it then your using beta/unfinished software that puts the public at risk. This has been my point the entire time.

 

[ninetyCent]

Because it works with the satellites that are already deployed. The T-Mo thing will require new satellites and is years down the road for broad rollout.

True. I mean, I'm talking assuming that the tmo-starlink thing is gonna happen in the next year or so but you're right, it could take many years given how elon tends to overpromise.

 

[Return Zero]

True. I mean, I'm talking assuming that the tmo-starlink thing is gonna happen in the next year or so but you're right, it could take many years given how elon tends to overpromise.

Yeah, I'm no Elon hater but he does get a bit delusional with timelines. I have no doubt their solution will eventually be superior, once they have the constellation in place and kinks worked out... but I'm guessing that's 3-5 years out still.

 

[webkit]

no. that's not publicly available. that's invite only, closed beta. you press a button in the car saying you want to try FSD beta and it's up to Tesla if they'll allow you in. you cannot buy a new car today and install FSD beta whenever you want.

FSD Beta may be by invitation only and has certain requirements (like minimum safety scores) but it is still being made available for public use (i.e., not just Tesla employees) on public streets.

only enhanced autopilot is publicly available.

Both Enhanced Autopilot (for $6,000) and FSD (for an additional $9,000) are "publicly available" for purchase without Beta invitation or restrictions.

 

[geartau]

You said "tesla cars remain sold out through 2022." You didn't say some Tesla cars. If you only meant some Tesla cars then that's not particularly meaningful as a number of manufactures can claim to have models sold out especially in the current environment.





Why hilarious? Tesla has new existing inventory cars available for immediate delivery including cars available to match with fresh custom orders to help push up delivery dates. Depending on the model and configuration, it has not been unusual for customers to get matched with a new existing inventory car and be able to take delivery faster to much faster than the stated estimated delivery on the website.

I don't think Tesla cars are as "sold out" as you seem to believe.

i don't need to say "some Tesla cars". it is still meaningful considering it shows popular models are sold out which means people don't think Tesla cars are "garbage" considering long wait times have existed for many years AND Tesla has raised prices many times in the past year alone. point still stands.

tell me, how many are in existing inventory in total? i searched los angeles within a 200 mile radius (to which I assume is one of Tesla's top cities for sales) and it shows about 100 used Model 3 and about 16 used Model Ys, or roughly 1 car dealership parking lot. what does that tell you? absolutely nothing. tesla sells about 3000 cars per day where people can trade in their current Teslas to upgrade. for all we know, this is one or two days worth of trade in from just los angeles.

to say "I see cars in existing inventory" is absolutely meaningless in this context.

 

[geartau]

So what you’re saying is that FSD isn’t released to the public? Because that’s exactly what I just said. There is not finished build of FSD, if you’re using it then your using beta/unfinished software that puts the public at risk. This has been my point the entire time.

replay the conversation:

NPC: "Two, public release is not dangerous"
You: "watch the video of cars driving under the FSD beta. "

what's the point of watching cars under the FSD beta when NPC is pointing out the "public release" version?

posts were deleted but I assume NPC meant Enhanced Autopilot beta. that's the only "public release" software there is for Tesla.

 

[geartau]

FSD Beta may be by invitation only and has certain requirements (like minimum safety scores) but it is still being made available for public use (i.e., not just Tesla employees) on public streets.





Both Enhanced Autopilot (for $6,000) and FSD (for an additional $9,000) are "publicly available" for purchase without Beta invitation or restrictions.

specifically mentioned "public release". you can use a "private release" software on public roads.

meeting minimum safety scores does not get you in automatically. there are plenty with perfect 100 scores and they still to this day have not been invited. tesla hand picks who gets in.

you can publicly purchase it, but that doesn't mean you'll get it. so far it is not "publicly released".

for someone who accused me of not specifically saying "some models" in another post, you sure are being laxed here with the meaning of words.

 

[webkit]

I don't think Tesla cars are as "sold out" as you seem to believe.i don't need to say "some Tesla cars". it is still meaningful considering it shows popular models are sold out which means people don't think Tesla cars are "garbage" considering long wait times have existed for many years AND Tesla has raised prices many times in the past year alone. point still stands.

So, basically what you said is kind of meaningless since there are a variety of other manufacturers than can also claim to have models "sold out." Got it.

tell me, how many are in existing inventory in total? i searched los angeles within a 200 mile radius (to which I assume is one of Tesla's top cities for sales) and it shows about 100 used Model 3 and about 16 used Model Ys, or roughly 1 car dealership parking lot. what does that tell you? absolutely nothing. tesla sells about 3000 cars per day where people can trade in their current Teslas to upgrade. for all we know, this is one or two days worth of trade in from just los angeles.

to say "I see cars in existing inventory" is absolutely meaningless in this context.

Tesla has many hundreds of available used Teslas. Their existing new inventory isn't as much but since Tesla doesn't post all available new cars online, I don't know the exact number. The inventory fluctuates but there are certainly many dozens available in the U.S. alone right now, perhaps hundreds. Obviously even more globally.

Again, I don't think Tesla cars are as "sold out" as you seem to believe.

specifically mentioned "public release". you can use a "private release" software on public roads.

meeting minimum safety scores does not get you in automatically. there are plenty with perfect 100 scores and they still to this day have not been invited. tesla hand picks who gets in.

That’s why I said LIKE minimum safety scores and not just minimum safety scores.

you can publicly purchase it, but that doesn't mean you'll get it. so far it is not "publicly released".

If you purchase FSD for $9,000 (on top of the $6,000 for EAP), you will get that exact product. Are you suggesting that Tesla is false advertising FSD on their order page??

for someone who accused me of not specifically saying "some models" in another post, you sure are being laxed here with the meaning of words.

I'm not being "laxed" at all. I distinguished between FSD Beta and the FSD that can be ordered and used by ANYNBODY for $15,000 ($6,000 + $9,000) with their car.

 

[jhoff8600]

Just don't let the laws of physics hit you...

There is a reason why cell towers have to be spaced so close to get any useable coverage, there is a reason why proper satellite phones have big antennas and there is a reason why you have to do the dance_and_point thing with an iPhone14 to connect to a satellite at a rate that would have been considered insufficient even for 1980s dial up.....

Agree almost all the way across the board. I have no Idea if Elon's and T-Mobiles Idea will work. However keep in mind this difference: Elon's talking about 5000+ Low earth orbit satellites that puts them in much closers proximity to ground based phones than traditional sat phones, so maybe it will work?