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wernerru said:
madmaxmedia, i tried to find the pictures i took when we did it, and i can't seem to find them tho. My friend now lives on the other coast, and he's not so tech-adept, so i can't ask him to take it apart and tell me. Sorry :eek:

Thanks for the info. Was it hard to find the jumpers, or was the group hidden amongst a bunch of other jumpers?

It sounds like you were able to find them without some sort of reference telling you exactly where they were, which means that hopefully we can do the same thing.

It's not that hard to take apart an eMac! ;) I hope after I can overclock it, I'll never have take take off the cover again...

Thanks again for all your help,
MMM
 
madmaxmedia said:
Thanks for the info. Was it hard to find the jumpers, or was the group hidden amongst a bunch of other jumpers?
mmm- i remember taking the heat-pipe off the processor, which means you need to get thermal paste to put it all back together. i think the jumpers were similar to the way the iMac g4 was laid out, with the jumpers being inside a little box that was printed onto the motherboard with teh r-numbers.
i'm still looking to see if i can find someone around here that has one i can take apart... no takers wanting a semi-stranger to take apart their mac so far :D
 
That would explain why topgunn couldn't find the right jumpers.

I imagine that you wouldn't have forgotten such a thing (whether you removed the heat sink or not), so probably that's what we'll have to do. Since there's not all that much room under the heat sink, it should be easy to locate the proper jumpers.

Is there some sort of clamp that holds the heat sink down? I installed a PC motherboard and CPU once, and there was a clamp that held the heat sink tightly to the CPU.

If it's similar, I imagine it wouldn't be too hard for me, as long as I prepared all the tools in advance (soldering iron, solder, thermal paste, I think that's it.)

Thanks!
 
Here's the link that I had mentioned previously about the G4 iMac. They don't have great luck, but everyone else seems to be able to go to 9.5x or 10x and run very stable.

http://www.ethernetworks.de/imac_g4_usb2_overclocking.html

In addition, we have this post earlier in this thread-

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/708009/

The resistor numbers are different from the iMac to eMac, but I bet it will be easy to find the jumpers and figure out the right order based on what you currently are set at.

I'll try to give mine a go over the weekend if possible, and take some photos.
 
wernerru said:
mmm- i remember taking the heat-pipe off the processor, which means you need to get thermal paste to put it all back together. i think the jumpers were similar to the way the iMac g4 was laid out, with the jumpers being inside a little box that was printed onto the motherboard with teh r-numbers.
i'm still looking to see if i can find someone around here that has one i can take apart... no takers wanting a semi-stranger to take apart their mac so far :D

This is a photo taken underneath the heatsink on a 3rd generation eMac. There are only a few of these jumpers that are only accessible when the heatsink is removed and, at least on mine, there is no box similar to that on the 166MHz FSB iMac. Perhaps the PLL multiplier resistors are in a different location?

underheatsink.jpg
 
very interesting... this looks like a different board revision than the one i took apart. anyway you can get a high-res board scan of both sides?
russ
 
I won't be able to do that because my camera is only 2 MP and I have a hard enough time with pictures like the one above. Unless I could piece together multiple pictures (which would likely look like crap and be worth almost as much) it's just not possible.

By the way, when I try and take pictures of PCB, i have the dilema of using the flash and having the glare drown out everything in view or not using the flash and not having enough light to make out any detail. I have tried aiming the camera a severe angle to decrease the glare from the flash but then things are very distorted when taking close-ups. Any suggestions?
 
topgunn said:
Any suggestions?

Yeahp. Use another light source, eg, desk lamp, from far enough away that it will light up the board but not drown it out. The key light for you people out there who are "in the know" about those things... ;)
 
Still no idea on 1.25OC, BUT...

Kiss my A$$ fan noise! i just did it to my PC (yes, i unfortunately have a PC in here for class :( ), taking the main fan down to 7v instead of the full-bore 12v. The eMac fan seems to have a rheobus built in, but, when i plugged it into the PC ps, it just ran constant speed, regardless of what temperature i put by the sensor on the fan. I had a 3pin to 3pin extension sitting around, so i cut off one end, got rid of the sensor wire, and hooked up the wires to the outside 2 pins on the optical drive power connector (black to red, red to yellow), and bam, silent as hell. been running like this for a week now, no problems. now i hear the hard drive, but that's totally bearable, as i no longer have a jet engine running in my room 24/7! :D
 
This kinda ties in with running an eMac in another case...
I have an eMac with a smashed CRT, ideally I would like to use the guts of the machine in another case but failing that I would be content with just cutting power to the CRT and running an external.
A. Is this possible, or will the mac not output video to an external monitor if the internal is not powered up?
B. What wires do I need to eliminate to accomplish this? Or does the CRT get power directly from the down converter?
 
jackdoe said:
A. Is this possible, or will the mac not output video to an external monitor if the internal is not powered up?
B. What wires do I need to eliminate to accomplish this? Or does the CRT get power directly from the down converter?

A. No, eMac will not power up at all.

B. CRT PSU is pretty much independent, especially its HV part, however Apple implemented internal VESA link beween the logic board and CRT part using IVAD02 chip from ST. Apart from standard 15-pin interface signals they also have I2C bus to control monitor adjsutments like distortion, geometry, etc.

So there are two options.

1. Keep IVAD module (shiny can attached to the end of the CRT) untouched and simply piggiback on RGB and sync signals outputting them to external monitor. You will be limited to only resolutions and sync frequencies supported by eMac screen.

2. Try properly connecting external monitor to all internal VESA signals and see if OpenFirmware will boot with it. Success depends on whether Apple hardcoded only one monitor type support into OF (or rather prohibited everything else.) You might need to keep or emulate I2C bus connection to IVAD.

Maybe the ultimate solution is to hack OF. This will also allow to boot modern Macs into OS9, etc.
 
lbodnar said:
Maybe the ultimate solution is to hack OF. This will also allow to boot modern Macs into OS9, etc.

Maybe it is... seeing as the screen-spanning hack does it, that is like hacking your OF. But isn't OF pretty much uncharted territory? Or if you have an ADC member ship, does that come with documentation?
 
bigbadmac 700Mhz overclock manual

I realize this is a little late, but does anyone have the pdf or a new link to bigbadmac's instructions for overclocking the 700mhz eMac. I had been visiting the site recently and it seems the webserver has changed or it has been pulled. I did not print it, and I am at somewhat of a loss without it. Thanks in advance.
 
so who's going to be brave an try oc'n the new minimac?

i'm really tempted to get one (i get edu pricing, so 470).

i figure that if i'm going to install ram myself, i might as well replace the HD and OC the proc.
 
x86isslow said:
so who's going to be brave an try oc'n the new minimac?

i'm really tempted to get one (i get edu pricing, so 470).

i figure that if i'm going to install ram myself, i might as well replace the HD and OC the proc.

If Apple is using the latest revision of the G4 (and they should be for heat reasons), then that processor should easily overclock to 1.5Ghz and beyond. The biggest issue would be keeping it cool inside that small enclosure. Still, it would be an interesting project for someone to undertake.
 
I have ordered 1.25GHz Mac mini in stock configuration. The soldering iron is warming up while it's being shipped (Jan 22).
:D

I still think eMac is great as a dual display box. If I only had time to sort internal CRT connection out and get it to drive external display.
 
eMac 700 mobos and "Beowulf-Like" Project using ATX power supply conversion??

Hello to everyone,

I'm new to this forum but not to other technical forums and I have a BIG question:

I have a bunch of eMac 700 Digital Modules (Down converter, Logic Board, aluminium tray, cables, etc...) from a series of CRT-dead eMacs, but I DON'T have the Analog Modules (power converter) that provides the digital module all the voltages needed for the computer to work.

I've been thinking on using ATX power supplies to make them work but I need advice from all you "Pro" around here, because I'm planning on using these in a "Beowulf-like" cluster system in the office, and I have everything but the information on how it can be done.

I know that the Logic Board's "Blind-Mate" connectors provides all the electric connections, and on a previous post I saw that someone traced voltages on these "Blind-Mate" connectors, but it gave me no clue to do all the rerouting and rewiring to make the ATX power supplies work, mainly because it had different voltages in each pin wether the emac was on or off.

I see this project like some kind of BIG CHALLENGE, and it would be great to be able to use all the eMac Digital Modules on a Great Performing Processing Center (I'm planning on using it to render video and other calculation-intensive applications).

Any help would be appreciated,

Thanks.
 
Emac Resolution issues

Hi

As a Newbie to this discussion, I tremble at my audacity in offering input to my hero ibodnar. I have been working on this video issue as well; but first a little history. My machine was an 800 MHz eMac that my School Corp. delivered to me brand new (about a calendar year after it had been discontinued: record time!). It only had 9.2 installed on it, so I bought a copy of 10.2 OSX. I discovered later it was shipped with OSX preinstalled but the Corp. (May they slowly roast!) deleted it so as to be in accord with their standard, “No really useful stuff allowed” policy, aargh!
I decided to try the “biggie” first and was able to clock it to 1.33 on my first try. It has run with total stability ever since. I then installed a 250 GB internal hard drive and though Disk Utility hiccupped up a little gob (something like this disk cannot be read) it still formatted almost all the space. I think I ended up with about 238 GB of usable space. I installed the old 40 GB drive in a Firewire enclosure. This comes in handy when I need to boot the internal drive externally, but don’t want to drag another machine over to target it though fire wire. Next, I used the Screen Spanning Doctor app, and was able to run spanning to a 19 inch CRT. I also overclocked the video card at this point using the ATI app mentioned earlier in this thread, and upped the ram to I GB. I also hooked up a 300 GB internal hard drive mounted upside down under my desk powered by an old salvaged pc ATX power supply, also so mounted, and connected by a long round IDE Cable to the underused optical drive’s IDE channel. (I cut a notch out of the little white bottom cover plate and gave it running room by adding Apple’s eMac Swivel Base).
This was a truly awesome advance for me as a teacher. Do not ever think you are dabbling in side waters if you enjoy what you are doing. Enjoyment breeds real creation. I was able to have my classes work while viewing the CRT image projected by my(see above Corp. policy) Infocus X1 while I worked ahead of them on the eMac screen readying the next conceptual or exploratory, graphic, activity, or web diagram.
This worked so well that I decided to buy a 21.3 inch Samsung LCD flatscreen. This turned out to be a little tricky because of the limitations on eMac resolutions on the Apple end and the limitations of my presenter on the other. Using an app called Switch Res X, I am now able to release all available resolutions on the onboard ATI 7500 plus custom make my own. I was able to span my LCD at its full native 1600 by 1200 in analog mode. This works in OC mode as well as at stock video frequency settings. Unfortunately, my X1 couldn’t handle this no matter how closely I matched its optimum frequencies. The best I could do with it in the loop was in the 1200 by x range.
So I just bought a new Optima EP-751 XGA capable presenter that can handle 1600 by 1200 and am now able to put two full working applications on my spanned display so that I can slide developing concepts right into text apps without any fiddling about and still work ahead of them on my own screen. I am going to mount the presenter in my classroom ceiling now and use my old chalkboard as a big 16 by 9 ratio 20’ screen.
I would love to get digital capability next, but the prospects for this do seem dim. I tried to just hook up a VGA to DVI adapter hoping the signal was there as the OEM and desktop Mac versions of the ATI 7500 were designed for digital output, but no go! I would sure like to know what that unpopulated connector is on the MB??? No one on this thread seems to have figured out what that is yet. Could that be a technician’s diagnostic port for the video card? If so, what goes in might come out. Or might this issue be a hackable item? I am pretty sure that DVI signals can be routed through VGA pin ports. Something in between the ATI app and the Switch RES X app might release the digital signal.
Well, I have gone on long enough; maybe the moderators will give me credit per paragraphs for my posting records. Thanks again Ibodnar and all, you have truly helped out very needy kids with your work. I just wish I would have discovered this thread earlier as all I had to go on before now was Ibodnar’s Web site NFO. Thanks again.
 
lbodnar said:
I have ordered 1.25GHz Mac mini in stock configuration. The soldering iron is warming up while it's being shipped (Jan 22).
:D

I still think eMac is great as a dual display box. If I only had time to sort internal CRT connection out and get it to drive external display.

Maybe you've already seen this, but just in case you haven't:

Pictures of the Mac mini's logic board

edit: you might like this link better.
 
kkrouse said:
...This was a truly awesome advance for me as a teacher. Do not ever think you are dabbling in side waters if you enjoy what you are doing. Enjoyment breeds real creation.
...
Thanks again Ibodnar and all, you have truly helped out very needy kids with your work.

Hey, kkrouse, you are my hero now! It is truly awesome what you did and I suspect you also got lots of pleasure on the way!

On a more practical note, your 238GB is in fact more than 260 billion bytes that is how HDD people count things... I have now 250GB Maxtor:

Total Capacity : 232.9 GB (250,059,350,016 Bytes)

All, bigbadmac's site (eMac 700MHz instructions) is gone but he will be back on a new frequency soon.
Maybe meanwhile I can provide a copy of his instructions starting sometime next week.
 
update on power pinout?

lbodnar said:
I have managed to measure voltages on eMac motherboard PSU connector shown here.
Pinout considered to be:
08 07 06 05 04 03 02 01
16 15 14 13 12 11 10 09

Code:
Pins   eMac ON   eMac OFF
----   -------   --------
01 02  +20.3V    +12V
03 04  +12V      +12V
05 06  GND       GND
07     +19V      +11.5V
08..12 GND       GND
13     +0.3V     +8V 
14     +0.3V     +0.3V
15     +5V       +5V
16     GND       GND
1,2 and 3,4 looks like high current main power
7 ???
13, 14 - control signals to/from down converter board
15 +5V TTL logic power

Anybody willing to discuss that here or in e-mail?
Actually, I'd love to discuss that here. I've managed to get my hands on an 800Mhz emac that allegedly has a shot analog board. I'd like to pop it into a custom case, and I have a nice slient ATX power supply lying around. So i figured I'd ditch the analog board completely, use the mini-vga to get video out, and bingo! But I'd like to get confirmation of the power connector pinout. Do you have any more information - what to connect to pin 7, and confirmation of the rest of the pins?
ATX connectors:
http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Workshop/advice/conns/connPSU.html

http://www.bluemax.net/techtips/ATXPowerSupplyWiring/ATXPowerSupplyWiring.htm

http://www.powerstream.com/itx-atx-pinout.htm

Thanks
Jeff
 
more on ATX

Just to follow up:

lbodnar: are the voltages you mention above no-load?
does anyone out there think that pins 01, 02 and 07 will drop back to 12V under load? none of the ATX documentation that I've found mentions such high voltages...

Thanks

Jeff
 
jspivack said:
Just to follow up:

lbodnar: are the voltages you mention above no-load?
does anyone out there think that pins 01, 02 and 07 will drop back to 12V under load?
none of the ATX documentation that I've found mentions such high voltages...

Jeff

Hi Jeff, voltages are in booted up state.
Don't try to match them to ATX standard (apart from +5/+12) at this stage as it will only complicate things. PSU seems to be custom-designed so the best approach is to get inop PSU and reverse engineer it (should not be difficult.)

eMac service manuals have troubleshooting procedure where they mention actual voltage on a few pins.

I use eMac as my home computer at the moment so cannot have it down.
Maybe after January 22nd :)
 
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